With Safari running at 60Hz I doubt Apple will make it 120Hz in the future, if they intend to support it they should've make it upon launch
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Why is nobody talking about how ProMotion just does not work as intended?
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Aren't all the problems discussed in this forum first-world problems? That's what you get when you pay first-world prices. It doesn't matter particularly to me personally, but Apple caters to the people for whom it does matter. They help keep Apple making these things nice for the rest of us first-worlders. Even if the venting is annoying sometimes.
It's just a question of whether it will be updated for the current hardware, or Apple make some kind of chip that makes ProMotion perform better on newer macs.
You're being absurd. It's just a software fix. All apps will need updates to support ProMotion.
It's weird that safari would need an update tho...
Besides as many pointed out,it was safari that's been used to show off promotion at the event
Again, all applications need to be updated to support ProMotion.
Yes, 100% it was a major miss for launch, but it is 100% fixable. Safari can be updated independently of the OS as well. It will 100% be fixed.
It is certainly not the first time Apple has had the OS and hardware ahead of the software.
I think the variable refresh rate aka promotion is buggy. The mismatch between application refresh rate and monitor refresh rate is causing the stuttering.
Also the slow response times and the pwm artifacts are causing a smeary, flickering mess.
Who has approved this display for macbook pro 2021 mass production? He/she must be blind.
A trillion dollar company which has so unskilled employees is ridiculous.
And why has this display no anti glare coating? You can hardly focus something on the display because of this intensive glare. A laptop without ag coating => fail.
Also the slow response times and the pwm artifacts are causing a smeary, flickering mess.
Who has approved this display for macbook pro 2021 mass production? He/she must be blind.
A trillion dollar company which has so unskilled employees is ridiculous.
And why has this display no anti glare coating? You can hardly focus something on the display because of this intensive glare. A laptop without ag coating => fail.
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They should install an ag coating as a glued film. Its not expensive. The nano texture glass is to rough. Semi glossy coating is much better. Sharper and better colors.
Look at this crap:
Im still astonished who is working at apple. Do they pay such low wages?
Look at this crap:
Im still astonished who is working at apple. Do they pay such low wages?
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Not expensive, not over-engineered... not Apple.
Seriously though, right now the keyboard still transfers finger oils onto the screen. There would be less need to clean the screen, and a greater likelihood of a special nano-coated matte display making it to the laptop if they'd fix the display touching the keyboard.
If you're serious about editing, you'll put a hood on everything, including the desktop monitor.
Otherwise, largely indifferent... I've gotten used to it. I'd buy a matte one in a heartbeat, but the display is pretty excellent as is. Certainly better than any laptop display I've used in recent memory.
What is so good about the display... . The hdr because of 2596 dimming zones, 1000 nits sustained and 1600 nits peak. The contrast ratio could be also better, but this isn't possible with an ips panel. Va is much better for hdr. It's much closer to oled.
The rest of the mbp display is crap. I have explained it in my thread about this display.
The rest of the mbp display is crap. I have explained it in my thread about this display.
I don't even use the HDR. But it is significantly brighter than my past laptops (largely Lenovo and Apple), and matches my color corrected displays without having touched it... which is good because Monterey isn't very friendly to that end. And the ProMotion friendly apps are super easy on the eyes.
Ironically Win11 in Parallels runs at 120hz, including the browser.
It's bright @ sdr but it has many disadvantages which cant compensate this few advantages.
Windows 11 has no stuttering because pro motion is not supported
. On my 144 hz screen, native Windows is stutter free while scrolling. On mbp 2021 it's stuttering every few seconds.
Windows 11 has no stuttering because pro motion is not supported
. On my 144 hz screen, native Windows is stutter free while scrolling. On mbp 2021 it's stuttering every few seconds.Win11 isn't stuttering here. It's running at high refresh rates just fine... buttery smooth. Sucks to be you.It's bright @ sdr but it has many disadvantages which cant compensate this few advantages.
Windows 11 has no stuttering because pro motion is not supported
Has anyone found a way to see what frequency the monitor is actually refreshing at?
As of today, ProMotion is still broken in Monterey.
As of today, ProMotion is still broken in Monterey.
Xcode additional tools comes with Quartz Debug, which has a framemeter that will show the current fps of the screen, but it's a bit hard to tell exact numbers because it looks like it's doing some kind of smoothing or averaging.
Using it on 12.1 beta 2, I get these readings, between readings I let the meter drop back to idle.
idle: around ~30fps.
scrolling in safari while keeping fingers on the trackpad: shoots up to ~110fps after a few seconds, stays around there.
small inertial scroll flick in safari: shoots up to ~75fps after about a second.
large inertial scroll flick in safari: shoots up to ~90fps after a few seconds.
dragging the scrollbar in safari: ~65 fps, fairly constant.
spamming quick inertial scroll flicks in safari indefinitely: goes to ~100 fps after a few seconds and stays there.
It's hard to say too much with this because of the potential averaging going on, but it looks like it's probably ramping up the refresh rate too slowly and dropping it down too aggressively. Also, even when the Framemeter is showing 110+ fps consistently for a long period of time (eliminating the possibility of averaging being a problem) it still looks choppy to me.
My guess is in addition to the aggressive rampdown there's also an issue where frames aren't being rendered in sync with the display which is causing bad frame pacing, where you're getting ~100+ fps on average, but the time between frames is inconsistent causing what looks like little lag spikes or choppiness.
Something else that's interesting: Quartz Debug lets you disable Vsync. If I do this, scrolling (especially inertial scrolling) behaves much better, and the framemeter displays 160+ fps when scrolling in Safari at all times. It still has some choppiness to it, which I expect when disabling vsync, but the fact that it behaves so much better I think is good evidence that the problem is their sync implementation with ProMotion.