Why is redesign so strongly suggested?

[BenTrovato]

The MacBook looks way better than the Pro now. They got four good years out of the design but anyone with half a brain can see the Pro needs to be refreshed, especially from a company that prides itself on designing beautiful hardware.

 

[Dr_Charles_Forbin]

Did anyone read the latest? No physical keyboard..... no thank you. Keep the design as is. I like my hard keys.

 

[Dave245]

Did anyone read the latest? No physical keyboard..... no thank you. Keep the design as is. I like my hard keys.

I can't see that happening anytime soon let alone in this years MacBook Pro.

 

[Dr_Charles_Forbin]

I couldn't believe it..
.http://www.parentherald.com/article...t-any-physical-keys-new-features-revealed.htm

That would be a deal breaker.....

 

[atari1356]

The iMacs and Cinema Displays are the ugliest designs ever for those lines... can't become obsolete soon enough. A shame to see a product line get old and ugly instead of more and more beautiful.

Really? Uglier than these iMacs? 😕😵

 

[Wowereit]

I couldn't believe it..
.http://www.parentherald.com/article...t-any-physical-keys-new-features-revealed.htm

That would be a deal breaker.....

It's called clickbait.

 

[Spudlicious]

I bought my rMBP on May 26th 2015. And you know what? I've still got the latest model, so I think Apple should take their time with an update, maybe see how the market looks in five or ten years....

 

[izzyfanto]

We're miserable because everything in the Mac world is the same as it was 4 years ago, while other platforms are improving.

You have a Macbook. Some people don't even have food, shelter or medical care. Your definition of miserable and your worldview need adjustment.

Computers are not something you should allow to make you miserable.

Indeed.

The good part is that the new laptops will be able to double as kitchen knives on one edge.

Haha

 

[Saturn1217]

I honestly don't understand people anymore. If there is a redesign, people will complain that it's "just" thinner and lighter. If there's not a redesign, people will complain that there isn't a thinner, lighter MBP. What people are forgetting is that there's really not much else you can do to that kind of machine. Add Touch ID somehow? Yeah, ok. Make the screen into a detachable iPad? That's not going to happen.

Maybe some people will complain but macbook air owners will be jumping for joy if they release 'just' a thinner lighter rMBP. There are a lot of us.

 

[jerryk]

Maybe some people will complain but macbook air owners will be jumping for joy if they release 'just' a thinner lighter rMBP. There are a lot of us.

I always assumed that is why the Macbook was 12 inch. Right between the 11 and 13 inch Airs. Replacement for both.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Maybe some people will complain but macbook air owners will be jumping for joy if they release 'just' a thinner lighter rMBP. There are a lot of us.

We have to remember that they likely have reached the end of what they can do on unit thickness on the Pro's without a complete redesign anyhow.

Airflow, more ports, battery constraints...it's sort of a different ball game on the Pro's (vs rMB).

It'd be really surprising if there's no major Pro redesign this year and I think it will very much "feel" like a larger rMB. I also predict essentially the same rMB keyboard across the entire line of laptops.

 

[matt_on_a_mtn]

Like I've said before, a redesign might be likely, but I'm also not betting on it. Not because it isn't due, not because it isn't time. Rather, because Apple has phoned it in across the board for years now.

What has Apple given us, design-wise, over the past five years that's been revolutionary? The retina MacBook is alright, but far from revolutionary, and also not the thinnest, lightest Core M notebook out there. It's also essentially just the Air's design, stripped down even further.
The iPad Pro models are essentially more of the same. We've got another version of the iPhone 5 in the SE, and essentially a 6SS coming this fall. Even the Applr watch is lacking in design and refinement, and it was a headlining device for Apple.

For me, it's all well and good to expect a redesign for the MBP line, but reflecting on Apple's recent lack of advancement, I'm not going to be shocked if there's just an update to skylake with the current design left as is.

 

[kevinkyoo]

Really? Uglier than these iMacs? 😕😵

Those are jewels compared to the Rose Gold MB's

 

[Closingracer]

Then I would prepare yourself for being disappointed.

Than I guess my current 2015 Macbook Pro will be my first and last. I love my Macbook Pro don't get me wrong but I'm not tied down to os X and not going to spend $1000 + for a Macbook that will suffer in performance because Apple wants to make it thinner. Overheating and throttling could possibly be an issue assuming Apple hasn't made some new technology that's prevents this while being in a smaller body.

 

[Closingracer]

We have to remember that they likely have reached the end of what they can do on unit thickness on the Pro's without a complete redesign anyhow.

Airflow, more ports, battery constraints...it's sort of a different ball game on the Pro's (vs rMB).

It'd be really surprising if there's no major Pro redesign this year and I think it will very much "feel" like a larger rMB. I also predict essentially the same rMB keyboard across the entire line of laptops.

The rmb keyboard is beyond horrible.... It is unusable at least for me. Forget a redesign the keyboard will be the deal breaker for me.

 

[Closingracer]

The macbook was redesigned, so the pro will follow. Most likely similar keyboard, USB C with more ports, and spec bumps, and probably colors.

The Macbook wasn't redesigned....
Just resurrected from the dead. It is basically a Macbook Air 13 but smaller, colors and a horrible keyboard.

 

[Closingracer]

Maybe some people will complain but macbook air owners will be jumping for joy if they release 'just' a thinner lighter rMBP. There are a lot of us.

The Macbook Pro 13 isn't that heavy imo. I rather get the retina display than save a few ounces from the 13 inch Air

 

[turbineseaplane]

The rmb keyboard is beyond horrible.... It is unusable at least for me. Forget a redesign the keyboard will be the deal breaker for me.

Oh trust me - I'm 110% with you - I absolutely deplore the rMB keyboard and it's a potential nightmare scenario for those of us that love Macs and Mac laptops....

 

[Closingracer]

Oh trust me - I'm 110% with you - I absolutely deplore the rMB keyboard and it's a potential nightmare scenario for those of us that love Macs and Mac laptops....

Fortunately I am quite fine with using either windows or OS X 😛

 

[Saturn1217]

The Macbook Pro 13 isn't that heavy imo. I rather get the retina display than save a few ounces from the 13 inch Air

That's fair. Everyone has different needs. For me it is a big difference in weight and makes the difference between bringing my notebook out of the apartment vs leaving it at home. The 13" MBA is right on that line (for me). I don't want to compromise on that for extra performance that I don't need when all I do need is just more than one port.

 

[azure247]

Oh trust me - I'm 110% with you - I absolutely deplore the rMB keyboard and it's a potential nightmare scenario for those of us that love Macs and Mac laptops....

I concur. It doesn't feel like I am typing. It feels like I am "smacking" the keys and it is not comfortable. I think if they get the keys for the MBP so it is similar to the keyboard on the newest iMac keyboard, then it would be very good. The new iMac keyboard is like a cross between the MBP and the MB. It has less depth to the keys, but not as minimal as the MB, which makes them perfect because there is less fatigue, and the comfort of actually typing is still there.

 

[tann]

They can shave weight and footprint I think. This would let them have power in a more portable form.

Currently so many laptops from the Windows side outperform and are lighter and smaller (with same size screens)!

 

[Ethosik]

Why are people wanting a redesign so much? Be careful what you wish for. Soon we might have the Macbook Pro about as thin as the new Macbook with no more dedicated graphics cards and slower hardware due to being thinner.
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I'd prefer it if Apple slowed the F down, actually. The retina MBP chassis is great. Internal spec bumps down the road; fine. But the pursuit of fast-tracking a new OS every single year is taking its toll on Mac. There are so many crippling bugs now all over the Apple ecosystem. Slow down and release finished products, damn it. Snow Leopard was the last truly great OS. Now it's all iOS-ification and dumbed down for the masses of computer illiterate and riddled with bugs left and right. Thankfully, the hardware on the Mac side is still top notch.

I actually had an absolutely horrible experience with Snow Leopard. I have never had any issues in any newer OSes and I upgrade within a few days of the release date. Snow Leopard was by far the worst of them all.
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Like I've said before, a redesign might be likely, but I'm also not betting on it. Not because it isn't due, not because it isn't time. Rather, because Apple has phoned it in across the board for years now.

What has Apple given us, design-wise, over the past five years that's been revolutionary? The retina MacBook is alright, but far from revolutionary, and also not the thinnest, lightest Core M notebook out there. It's also essentially just the Air's design, stripped down even further.
The iPad Pro models are essentially more of the same. We've got another version of the iPhone 5 in the SE, and essentially a 6SS coming this fall. Even the Applr watch is lacking in design and refinement, and it was a headlining device for Apple.

For me, it's all well and good to expect a redesign for the MBP line, but reflecting on Apple's recent lack of advancement, I'm not going to be shocked if there's just an update to skylake with the current design left as is.

You want a "revolutionary" laptop like the "revolutionary" Mac Pro? Geez people. Do you get computers to just look at them, or to actually use them? Changing ports is not a "redesign". They can use the same design, just change the ports.

 

[matt_on_a_mtn]

You want a "revolutionary" laptop like the "revolutionary" Mac Pro? Geez people. Do you get computers to just look at them, or to actually use them? Changing ports is not a "redesign". They can use the same design, just change the ports.

I personally do not. That was my point though. Look at Apple's designs over the past five years, and what exactly do you have? In my opinion a lot of mediocrity.

And I'm surely not going to drop $2000+ on a notebook that I need to worry about overheating, or buying additional adapters for because someone decided to go entirely USB C. Hence why I bought a 2015 MBP a few weeks back.

 

[Closingracer]

That's fair. Everyone has different needs. For me it is a big difference in weight and makes the difference between bringing my notebook out of the apartment vs leaving it at home. The 13" MBA is right on that line (for me). I don't want to compromise on that for extra performance that I don't need when all I do need is just more than one port.

Yeah it is a .50 pound difference give or take. So that is like a 8 ounce difference? For me thats nothing with all my textbooks. My thing is if it gets smaller and lighter throttling and overheating could be an issue.