Why is the 2016 Macbook Pro 13in considered a Pro device? If it's just an enlarged 12in Macbook ?

DBZmusicboy01

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No ports like the old Pro model and MORE expensive just for a enlarged 12in Macbook with no improvements from last year's 13in model in speed.

I am very disappointed in Apple.
Why release something that is a huge downgrade at a higher price when it should be for PRO use ?
13in Pro is NOT Pro in anyway.
It's just a consumer/disposable Macbook.
Apple has gotten extremely greedy as of late.
They don't even care about their Apple Store Employees and even the costumers.
I love the iPhone and Mac. But Apple has to change and Tim needs to go.
I am extremely frustrated.
 

KieranDotW

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I don't disagree that the 2016 MBP's are overpriced and not "pro" enough IMO. But I wouldn't call the 13" MBP an enlarged 12" MB because at least the MBP doesn't have a mobile processor.

I wouldn't say the difference between the MB and MBP is any more narrow than the difference between the MBA and MBP ever was
 
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DeltaMac

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They don't even care about their Apple Store Employees and even the costumers.
I love the iPhone and Mac. But Apple has to change and Tim needs to go.
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I saw what you did there... :cool:
Apple has the "change" to do whatever they like to the iPhone, and the Mac, too. Even Tim has needs.
Fixed that sentence for you... Hope you like it:rolleyes:
 
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CaptRB

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No ports like the old Pro model and MORE expensive just for a enlarged 12in Macbook with no improvements from last year's 13in model in speed.

I am very disappointed in Apple.
Why release something that is a huge downgrade at a higher price when it should be for PRO use ?
13in Pro is NOT Pro in anyway.
It's just a consumer/disposable Macbook.
Apple has gotten extremely greedy as of late.
They don't even care about their Apple Store Employees and even the costumers.
I love the iPhone and Mac. But Apple has to change and Tim needs to go.
I am extremely frustrated.


Well....let me answer your question...

1) Compared to the 12" MacBook, the 13" is better at just about everything and the USB-C ports can handle anything and the screen is bigger and better, as are the speakers and I can drive two 4K monitors with it and it can handle big Nikon and Canon RAW files and edit video to a level that the 12" cannot handle well at all.

2) Buy a Dell!


R.
 

monkeydax

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No ports like the old Pro model and MORE expensive just for a enlarged 12in Macbook with no improvements from last year's 13in model in speed.

I am very disappointed in Apple.
Why release something that is a huge downgrade at a higher price when it should be for PRO use ?
13in Pro is NOT Pro in anyway.
It's just a consumer/disposable Macbook.
Apple has gotten extremely greedy as of late.
They don't even care about their Apple Store Employees and even the costumers.
I love the iPhone and Mac. But Apple has to change and Tim needs to go.
I am extremely frustrated.
Yeah man...what are you even talking about. It is way faster just in terms of the type of processor used, let alone the fact that its got more ports.
 

boss.king

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Why is the 2016 Macbook Pro 13in considered a Pro device if it's just an enlarged 12in Macbook ?
It's not a larger MacBook. Almost no one considers it to be that. It's plenty powerful for a lot of professions, if it's not the machine for you then don't buy it.
 
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keysofanxiety

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No ports like the old Pro model
No ports? I must have missed that bit in the keynote where they said that everything is wireless and we don't need ports.

Oh, wait. There were those Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports. You know, the ones with 40Gb/s throughput, which can charge the laptop or drive external displays, or daisy chain into any peripheral device you need.

Objectively, in terms of what it can do and isn't limited by, it's probably the most 'Pro' port Apple have released. :p
 

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"Pro" has such varying definitions as it is. If this machine was the exact same but had an HDMI port and an SD Card slot, then suddenly it can be considered a "pro" machine?
 
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Samuelsan2001

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It's better in every way than the last 13 inch pro and the 12 inch MacBook is nowhere near it.

It's got more powerful processors than the surface book the best integrated graphics available on a dual core chip, it's light and small has the best screen around, the best small laptop speakers, the fastest most versatile ports you can buy, the fastest low powered ram, the best ssd's on the market, an all day battery life, it can run 2 external 4K screens. thats not even mentioning the excellent OS and the suite of Apple software that is included. It'll even run Windows or Linux as a VM or in bootcamp.

So what about this machine isn't pro again?? It's perfect for the 90% of travelling professionals that never have to edit a 4K video (it can do that fine too if a little slowly) or run a huge scientific calculation.

If you don't like it don't buy it but you can't expect anyone to care when it's clearly such a brilliant computing solution for people who travel a lot.
 
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Hieveryone

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Yeah I don't think it's pro either bc I use an external monitor so then HDMI I need, then I use an external hard drive to backup a lot so then I need USB, I gotta keep my iPhone charged up so then I need another USB bc I can't go around missing texts gotta stay relevant, and my SD card slot is on fleek with a permanent solution so I can easily transfer files between user accounts.

This, my friends, is a pro machine!
 

Samuelsan2001

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Yeah I don't think it's pro either bc I use an external monitor so then HDMI I need, then I use an external hard drive to backup a lot so then I need USB, I gotta keep my iPhone charged up so then I need another USB bc I can't go around missing texts gotta stay relevant, and my SD card slot is on fleek with a permanent solution so I can easily transfer files between user accounts.

This, my friends, is a pro machine!
Well a USBc to hdmi cable will connectyour screen, and the same for the hard drive, so you are saying it's not a pro machine because you won't buy two 5 dollar cables??

As to your iPhone you can receive your messages on the computer.

The touchbar model has 4 ports so you are covered, and a small hub with extra ports charging, SD card slot and hdmi will set you back $60 dollars and connect with one cable giving you a far more elegant and easy to use solution, you could even have one in your office and one at home making it a one cable set up every time.

Take a look at this.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019R9ILTG/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_3_w
 
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13in Pro is NOT Pro in anyway.
Sure it is. I see reporters using MacBooks and MacBook pros, they're using the computers in their profession so that makes it a pro machine for them.

I see, and know of photographers using the MBP for their jobs and again its a pro machine.

I could go on but I'm sure you see my point, many different people who work in various professions seem to have no problem with it.
 

ZapNZs

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"Pro" is a subjective term, much like "power user".

Enterprise customers, students, Mac Pro Users, photographers, video editors, supercomputer users, coders, software developers, etc. would likely define the term very differently.

With that said, the 2016 (even the nTB with fewer ports) is plenty capable of meeting the needs of many professional users.
 

xWhiplash

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I still see people using a 2008 Mac Pro and do their JOBS with it. Are you guys saying that these 2016 laptops do not beat even that computer? Get real. My 2016 Macbook Pro beats my 2010 Mac Pro at video rendering with h.264. Even though my 2010 Mac Pro has more cores, my laptop is still hours faster! I had a two hour recording. It took around 2 hours on my laptop. On my 2010 Mac Pro, it was only at about 85% done and it hit the 4 hour mark! I canceled it at that point.

How are these not pro, yet the Surface Pro is and it has even worse hardware? It only has one USB port! Talk about no ports on a system.

Everybody needs to stop using the term pro, because (apparently) people just do not understand what it means. You guys, Pro does not really mean anything. It is just like "Macbook Enhanced" or "Macbook Better". But Pro fits better in titles.

I can use a cheap $300 windows laptop for "pro" use!

However, to some, no laptop EVER is considered pro. What if you need 24GB of VRAM? 24 core Xeons?
 

OneSon

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Pro is simply short for professional. The idea being the device is work focused rather than leisure focused.

It depends entirely on what somebody's profession is as to whether the Macbook Pro is fit for purpose. I suspect that for the vast majority of jobs this device would be perfectly adequate. Not everybody works as a 4k video editor. Heck Im an academic and a Macbook Air suits me fine.
 
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xWhiplash

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Pro is simply short for professional. The idea being the device is work focused rather than leisure focused.

It depends entirely on what somebody's profession is as to whether the Macbook Pro is fit for purpose. I suspect that for the vast majority of jobs this device would be perfectly adequate. Not everybody works as a 4k video editor. Heck Im an academic and a Macbook Air suits me fine.
I agree! What is this massive overreaction to the word "Pro" lately?

Now.....PS4 "Pro" I agree. Pro does not need to be in that title AT ALL!
 

mpConroe

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Obviously MacBook Pro is for pro use.
I'm using my MacBook Pro with Touch Bar for learning Xcode, for learning Photoshop. And for example the display is much better than any pc laptop. I want to learn Final Cut Pro X and don't tell me about it that it's not perfect machine for it (I know that 15'' is better, but please don't overreact).

Of course you can do all this things on base MacBook but what about the efficiency? MacBook inside looks like more like your phone, rather than computer. MacBook is clearly a machine for web browsing and some basic iMovie stuff. For more, you need to buy MB Pro. And yes, the difference between them is noticeable - check YouTube comparisons and reviews. I watched them all before I have bought my MB Pro.
 

CaptRB

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Ummmmm..... to much info hahaha

People do get too hung up on that "Pro" monicker though. I wonder if they would be any happier if Apple dropped "Pro" from the names, but renamed the current Macbook to Macbook Amateur? Or Macbook Starter Edition?


We actually had some guy here for a while who was hellbent on making Apple change the names of the systems...no joke! He wanted the 13" to be called the Air-Pro and the 15" to be the only model called "pro" and so on. Crazy stuff that you can't make up.
Who really cares what they're called? I've been using the Air for professional stuff and I also have a 22 cent pencil that I've used on the job!

If you're using it for business, creatively or to control a bagel oven, THAT and only that makes it a "pro."


R.
 
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boss.king

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If you're using it for business, creatively or to control a bagel oven, THAT and only that makes it a "pro."
Exactly. So many people here seem to think that to qualify as "Pro" you need to be a editing 8K movies and and developing the future of robotics. You don't, all you need is a paycheck. That includes writers, comic artists, brand managers, teachers, designers, web developers, and many more professions.
 
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SDColorado

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Who really cares what they're called? I've been using the Air for professional stuff and I also have a 22 cent pencil that I've used on the job!

R.

I use mechanical pencils. Are those Pencil Pro's?

Apple isn't the only one with silly names. They don't even have the silliest. Take HP for example..

Pavillion? What does that even mean? Only suitable for use on Pavillions?
Elitebook Folio. Is it a book or a folio?
Omen Laptop. Omen of the disappointment that is to come?
EliteBook. Only for the wealthy and elite, no average users here.
ProBook. It really isn't.
Spectre. A ghost of what a real laptop used to be
Envy. You will be envious of everyone who has a better laptop
 

duervo

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"Pro" is just the moniker used by Apple Marketing to distinguish between the different product tiers.

It's got a lot more to do with that, than anything else such as being for a "professional".
 

Queen6

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Sales and marketing little else, a mechanism Apple employs amongst many to differentiate it's computing offerings. Personally I don't care what Apple call's it's products, however I would prefer if Apple didn't slap the "MacBook Pro" moniker on the bezels as it's just tacky, and I feel it cheapens the product.

Given choice I would prefer "PowerBook" returned as Apple's name of choice for it's higher range of portable, as in many respects PowerBook, Surface Book etc. remain timeless, while slapping "Pro' on everything only serves to diminish what little meaning it once represented.

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