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Why is the 2016 Macbook Pro 13in considered a Pro device? If it's just an enlarged 12in Macbook ?
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Damn. I still have a ZIP drive around somewhere. Cool! I is a purphesionul!
I remember Zip drives very fondly.REAL professionals use parallel ports and ZIP Drives
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If you're directing it at me it is because the laptop is not my primary machine. Look at my sig. The iMac and custom built machine are my primary machines.
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I remember Zip drives very fondly.
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If you're directing it at me it is because the laptop is not my primary machine. Look at my sig. The iMac and custom built machines are my primary machines.
I understand that, but part of the previous post was all about the 128GB capacity and bemoaning the loss of the SD slot, so that capacity could be doubled. Even on my 13", which is also not my primary machine, I wouldn't have dreamed of a 128GB SSD, but again, that is just me.
BTW I don't use USB drives as my primary storage either
I don't know what I said previously in this thread, but now that I have the new MacBook Pro I can say it's basically an enlarged MacBook but the performance is better. It's actually not a bad thing bc the form factor is awesome but I don't like the new keyboard though
I understand that, but part of the previous post was all about the 128GB capacity and bemoaning the loss of the SD slot, so that capacity could be doubled. Even on my 13", which is also not my primary machine, I wouldn't have dreamed of a 128GB SSD, but again, that is just me.
BTW I don't use USB drives as my primary storage either
So I'm not aloud to complain about the machine nor call out penny pinching BS? I do think the reason for removing the SD Card slot was the same reason Apple is soldering the drive to the machine. I think Apple looked at the SD Card slot and trend of putting in flush SD cards as a way to bypass spending more money at the Apple point of sale and took steps to eliminate the perceived competition. In honesty if that is the case it was a knee jerk reaction because the SD Card slot is too slow for a lot of things.
The truth is our MacBook Pros are not used for Pro purposes. For me the 15" is too small of a screen and if I have to haul around a screen to job sites I might as well haul around the iMac. So that is what I do. The Mac Book Pros we have, I bought because they where on sale for the same price as a maxed out iPad Pro. The 13" form factor is better for me since I don't use laptops heavily. On a job site my Mac Book Pro's job is to be a test signal generator and look pretty which is a nice way of saying it doesn't do anything.
I have a Pelican 1630 case with a custom insert to transport my 27" iMac 5K to job sites. I got it from here. They are on sale now too so if you want one it's a lot less expensive then the one I invested in. Having the Mac Pro now I might take that one around with me in a back pack of flights and buy a monitor when I get to the job sites and leave the monitor with the client to save on the costs of transporting the iMac on jets.
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If only Apple had some people who know how computers work, they could see that SD slots are slow compared to internal SSDs.
They could also see that SD cards are undergoing a change that will make present card readers seem slow compared to the new ones coming out. Rather than taking up very limited space with a card reader about to be outmoded, they might figure it was time to let people buy newer readers and use those instead.
Already explained a likely reason for this.
You're angry at Apple for not doing what you want, so you're attributing to them whatever dark things your anger leads you to believe.
I don't recall saying that you aren't allowed to complain. My comment was on the blanket statement about how no professionals use USB drives and then proceeding to go on some side tangent about 128GB SSD's and SD slots. I don't see how one is any more or less "professional" than the other and of obviously, some professionals DO use USB drives.
I am assuming by the comment "The truth is our MacBook Pros are not used for Pro purposes," relates only to your own MacBook Pros and is not another blanket statement pertaining to the greater "we"? If so, that's fine and of course, it is entirely up to you how you use your computers and whether or not they meet the needs of your particular profession.
Your whole theory about why Apple has removed the SD drive, just all sounds like a bunch of conspiracy though. Apple stated their reasons for removing the SD slot. You may not agree with their reasons or even believe them to be true. That's fine, nobody says you have to. To me, they sound perfectly legitimate. Not because I am an Apple fanboy or apologist, but because that's the way I work with my cameras and don't miss the lack of the slot. But again, that's just me and my own personal usage.
Q: The new Pros have no SD card slot for a camera memory card. Why not?
A: Because of a couple of things. One, it’s a bit of a cumbersome slot. You’ve got this thing sticking halfway out. Then there are very fine and fast USB card readers, and then you can use CompactFlash as well as SD. So we could never really resolve this – we picked SD because more consumer cameras have SD but you can only pick one. So, that was a bit of a trade-off. And then more and more cameras are starting to build wireless transfer into the camera. That’s proving very useful. So we think there’s a path forward where you can use a physical adaptor if you want, or do wireless transfer.
Yes I was only referring to our personal Mac Book Pros in our house hold.
My blanket statement was because another person used their own blanket statement. No one jumped on that person though because he was touting the party line...
So because I'm looking at trends and drawing colorations I warrant the tin foil hat? I still think the Apple explanation is a spin. It's possible that the reason is really as simple as removing the slot saves the company $2.00 per machine (I don't know the actual cost, this is just an example number) and when multiplied times the number of machines sold it equals millions if not billions of dollars saved. Maybe the sales of larger SSD drives is just a beneficial side effect but then why solder the SSD instead of leaving it a PCIe slot? What was the purpose of soldering it to the board?
Did the classic Mac Pros have SD card slots? I honestly don't know. If the classic one didn't have it to begin with it's not exactly an argument to proclaim that Apple increased the price on it while stripping away features and furthered eroded expandability to nonexistence internally.
It's not that the card slot makes the device a Pro machine or not. It's that I feel like the reason to remove it (on the Mac Book Pro) was flimsy at best and none of the savings where passed on to the customer. It was simply a bad deal for the customer.
That said I have a Sony Alpha 6000 and a GoPro Hero Black (the previous generation) and sometimes the USB cable for them gets temperamental and I do have to pull the SD Card out of the cameras and put it in the iMac SD card slot.
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Already explained to you. No fact will convince you Tim Cook isn't Satan. There will always be some possible way that he is.
I don't think he is Satan.
I think he was a great COO [corrected] and will forever be known for his supply chain that he built for Apple. I think he did marvelous work as a COO [corrected]. However I don't think his skill in his previous position is translating to his new position as CEO.
I guess I'm just a fossil in todays age but we used to ship Mac Pro towers and have them on carts or use the 17" MacBook Pros in less demanding applications. We used external drives for backing up but not so much for the primary drive or scratch disk.
Of course I handle live events like concerts and also program AV systems installed for the rich, famous, corporations, government agencies. Anyone that can afford my fee and wants the best Crestron or AMX have to offer.
Anyways I'm sorry if I ruffled feathers by saying pro's don't use external drives. Obviously things have changed but it wasn't intended as an insult. I look forward to a less heated conversation. Thanks everyone.
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A Mac Pro with an external RAID array is more mobile, flexible and faster than a Mac Pro tower (not to mention that maintenance is simpler). And a retina MBP is just as powerful as the 17" MBP ever was, and in addition more flexible as well. So I don't agree that much has changed in that regard. Things just became smaller and there is of course a certain trend towards modularisation (but again, that trend was always present in the high-end professional market, its just that now its also coming to the consumer/prosumer segment as well).
Very true. I know the 15" retina MacBooks are very powerful. I'm not contesting that one bit. However when I work on full HD plus resolution sized interfaces for touch panels like the Crestron TSD-2020 I need the ability to view the entire 1080P page, subpages, the interface of Vision Tools without scrolling the content. A 15" MacBook Pro is too small to do this at a 1:1 pixel ratio without having everything in microprint. In addition because of the extra space in the 17" the 17" MacBook Pro could probably use the same graphics chips as the like generation iMac.
We used (the TSD-2020 was recently announced end of sale by Crestron) for training/briefing rooms for annotation over video sources.
Having recently gotten my hands on a new Mac Pro it is amazing to see the raw power of it and the quietness. It's something I hadn't anticipated. There is no doubt at all that the old towers where huge, cumbersome and prone to a lot of tinkering. I have a lot less complaints about it having now had a chance to play with it, but I am sad that I can't upgrade the graphics cards beyond what was available when it was first released.
My gripe with external drives is they are not always connected. Sometimes it seems like a stiff wind can make them drop off and then I have to reach around to the back and fiddle with the cables. Not to mention the inconvenience of having to use a number of external devices. I like being able to move around a single device and plug it in. Be it a MacBook , iMac, or Mac pro. I don't want to have to deal with a lot of cables. External drives bring cables.
Now if Apple could create a wireless external drive that didn't require wires for anything and connected to the machine like a bluetooth device but was fast enough to just work I don't think I would mind.
To illustrate my point about cables here is the comparison of the iMac to a Dell desktop of the time period.
Earlier in this thread I saw the complaint of soldered RAM. That's been the case with ultrabooks for the sake of form factor for a while now. The new Dell XPS lineups for example have soldered on RAM as does the highly praised HP Spectre x360. The way that laptops are trending now in terms of form factor, it's impossible to have upgradable RAM. The last MacBook to have it was the 2012 and that thing was a tank to the point where it got annoying to carry around, so at least in my opinion I don't think the soldered RAM is really something to discredit Cook/Apple for.
1. The ram has been soldered since 2012 in all of apples laptops, 5 years is enough to get over his.
2. Actually the SSD in the base model is still removable. It's the way devices are going all round though to have the memory chips soldered in, upgradeable laptops are becoming things of the past so fill your boots and buy upgradeable ones from another vendor now while you still can.
3 No 13 inch model of any computer maker has quad core processors unless they are atoms or underpowered AMD's. The closest you'll get is the 14 inch razor blade and that's really a competitor for the 15 inch MacBook Pro in size weight etc.
4 It did that's not the best, but a cheap insert will change that and you can now charge using any port on any side and through a TB 3 dock or USBc dock. So it's a bit swings and roundabouts for which I see more useful.
The rest of your post is just a rant and that's fine buy something else no one cares, I'll carry on using Apple because they make exactly what I want from a laptop and I want them to continue on this path. I just wish my 2013 wasn't such a brilliant machine still and I needed a new one.
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The Alienware 13" laptops use quad core processors.
Its an open forum and as such he's free to post his opinions, others have stated similar sentiments and so I think other's do care and he does have right to express his opinions.
Ha ha ha fair enough it's hardly slim and light but yes you can get a 13 inch screen laptop with quad core if you want that sort of thing.... I should have said in its class rather than just gone on size of screen.
They are perfectly entitled to state their opinions, so surely I am able to state mine??? After reading many of these threads I can honestly say no one cares. They all just want to state their own opinions have no interest in other people's opinions and generally don't care one way or the other what people do with their money as long as it gives them a chance to vent their misplaced and pointless anger and gain some validation for their own. A Personal opinion of course!!
I do like to remind people of that, this is after all mainly a forum of petty first world bitching, about products that 90% of the world have no dream of ever owning at the moment. (It used to be about help and providing support and advice not so much anymore).
"Oh it's such a nightmare choosing between these products I'm going to spend a years salary on for a third world person". I can't take them seriously to be honest and neither should I or anyone else.
That's exactly my point, but you were implying that he should keep to himself.
I agree the forums can be negative, but that doesn't mean people cannot post their opinions, both for and against
That's exactly my point, but you were implying that he should keep to himself.
I agree the forums can be negative, but that doesn't mean people cannot post their opinions, both for and against
Yes and my opinion is that they should keep it to themselves buy something else and get on with it, there really is no need to start yet another thread about it.
Maybe an "I just want to bitch and moan about Apple" sticky would help.
Telling someone they cannot post is not permitted and is different then offering an opposing opinion.
Guys, regarding the slow Mac updates. Again, we are not in the late 1990s or early 2000s anymore. I am still able to do all my work on my 2010 Mac Pro (the only thing that sucks is h.264 encoding). I am able to get Windows 10 installed on a 2008 computer.
I built a computer in 2015. 6 core 3.33Ghz. My 2010 Mac Pro is 6 core 3.33Ghz. Guess how much faster my 2015 system is? Not much. But it is 5 years newer!
I have said this before, and I will say it again. Steve passed at just the right time it seems. Now we have people demanding touch screens on laptops, Intel has hit a ceiling on performance where the newest processors are only 25% faster than the ones three years ago. Desktop and laptop market has been in a major decline recently. And more problems. We have no idea what "Steve would have done" or "Steve would never have done" because this is not like what it was even in 2010.
I think MagSafe made us lazy. There were times where I would just plug it in and be a MAJOR TRIPPING HAZARD not only to me, but to others just because "it will just detach if I trip". No, just no. Properly and safely plug in your laptop. NO cables should be where you can walk. It does not matter if it is a MagSafe cable or not. It is still a serious tripping hazard.
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Agree. I didn't realize there was an option to get 6TB in the Macbook Pros. There are some of my video files that reach the 1TB limit - 1 FILE!
For the millionth time people. We are not in the late 90s and early 2000s anymore.
External SSDs - pretty much just as fast as an internal SATA 3 SSD
External HDDs - Pretty much just as fast as an internal SATA 3 HDD (the highest I have seen so far is 215 MB/s for standard HDD)
I built a computer in 2015. 6 core 3.33Ghz. My 2010 Mac Pro is 6 core 3.33Ghz. Guess how much faster my 2015 system is? Not much. But it is 5 years newer!
I have said this before, and I will say it again. Steve passed at just the right time it seems. Now we have people demanding touch screens on laptops, Intel has hit a ceiling on performance where the newest processors are only 25% faster than the ones three years ago. Desktop and laptop market has been in a major decline recently. And more problems. We have no idea what "Steve would have done" or "Steve would never have done" because this is not like what it was even in 2010.
I think MagSafe made us lazy. There were times where I would just plug it in and be a MAJOR TRIPPING HAZARD not only to me, but to others just because "it will just detach if I trip". No, just no. Properly and safely plug in your laptop. NO cables should be where you can walk. It does not matter if it is a MagSafe cable or not. It is still a serious tripping hazard.
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Agree. I didn't realize there was an option to get 6TB in the Macbook Pros. There are some of my video files that reach the 1TB limit - 1 FILE!
For the millionth time people. We are not in the late 90s and early 2000s anymore.
External SSDs - pretty much just as fast as an internal SATA 3 SSD
External HDDs - Pretty much just as fast as an internal SATA 3 HDD (the highest I have seen so far is 215 MB/s for standard HDD)
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I'll sum up my response to you simply as, just because something is doesn't mean it should be.
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Thank you. Since we're getting everything out in the open anyways. The proper pronoun is she or if you want to use my name it's Natalie. The handle is just something I use in the web to avoid the "go back in the kitchen comments". This forum seems better about it so maybe the subterfuge wasn't actually required. And being called dude grates on me. LOL
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I haven't started any threads complaining about Apple hardware. This one got a little heated because I don't know when to walk away and encountered a number of people that appeared to have your same attitude.
Thank you for being very straight forward about your mind set. I take it you're no nonsense.
We'll have to agree to disagree though.
The 2012 was the first Retina and the first to have soldered RAM.
You're thinking of the Late 2011 MacBook Pro. I had the 15" 2.2GHz variant. Looking back the thickness is a lot more then the thickness of the 2015 MacBook Pro. That said I wouldn't call it a tank. I'm pretty sure that the RAM could have been socketed in the 2012 to 2015 chases. Apple simply elected not to. Just like in the 2014 Mac Mini which they didn't even bother to shrink the case at all.
You may have a point on the 2016 Mac Book Pro. My point though is how many ultra book variants do we need? Apple has three.