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Why microSIM in iPhone 4 (iPhone HD)?
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Why does the Micro-Sim make it more "locked to apple" I really don't get your point with this??? The Micro-Sim can be used in all other phones with the free adaptor that most carriers are offering.
Linkage!
Also you say its going to be a problem for the carriers on launch day, but they have over a week to post out the new micro-sims to people before the iPhone its self starts to ship and they can always include your new sim with the iPhone when it ships.....
/Rookie
Linkage!
Also you say its going to be a problem for the carriers on launch day, but they have over a week to post out the new micro-sims to people before the iPhone its self starts to ship and they can always include your new sim with the iPhone when it ships.....
/Rookie
Steve himself said "we needed the extra space." Problem solved.
They have adaptors for this, I bought mine off of a forum member here for $4. I think he bought like 20 for $50 somewhere online, probably some China website.
They have adaptors for this, I bought mine off of a forum member here for $4. I think he bought like 20 for $50 somewhere online, probably some China website.
No, they couldn't have. The use of a SIM (Subscriber Identity Module) is part of the GSM standard. You can't make a GSM phone without one.
They didnt need the extra space on the iPad, which is what first got the micro sim. Do you really think Apple is going to say, We wanted to keep you guys from using your sim in other phones? However, the adapter solves that issue.
No, they tired that scam, I mean feature on the original iPhone when they stopped storing contacts on the SIM.
The iPhone would allow you to read contacts from a SIM but did not offer a supported way to write contacts back to the SIM... not a technical issue just Apple decided not to bother.
The Micor SIM a newer form factor, so many GSM carriers are moving or looking at move to it. Apple did not invent it...
Dave
No apple knows people will want the iPhone. Trick is locking them to iPhone and making it harder to switch off of the iPhone.
No they could of. Just put the SIM chip as small as possible and build it into the phone. Apple does not give a damn about standards. They do not practice what they preach. They just care about locking you into apple. Case and point is agreeing to the microsim charging port and wait they did not put it on the phone.
SJ also said intel sucked and then apple swith to it. Steve Job and being honest should not belong in the same sentence. He is a marketing genuis.
The adaptor agrument I have been reading is crap. Yes you can get one cheap but it is just another item you have to keep track of an easily loss.
Plus this new standard will MASSIVELY kill he used iPhone market. You can not sell it to a friend because guess what they will not have a microsim. Everyone else is using a SIM.
now in apple mind this is a good thing because more people will have to buy an iPhone.
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A majority of other phones use micro sim. The iPad has enough space as it is. They never said they were trying to save space with it because space probably wasn't an issue.
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A majority of other phones use micro sim. The iPad has enough space as it is. They never said they were trying to save space with it because space probably wasn't an issue.
Majority of phone use microsim? What the hell are you smoking..... Majority use a Standard Sim card which is a little larger than the microsim Apple choosing to use for its next level of lock in.
I think you mean MicroUSB? If that's what you mean, an adapter satisfies all of the requirements of the new "standard." As for the use of a microSIM, I fail to see how that "lock
I mean micro USB and the "abaptor" argument is BS and far from being the spirit of the agreement.
The spirt of the agreement is I can using any company charger on any phone. You can not use an Apple charger on a blackberry. instead they seem to expect people have to carry around an adapter to use on other devices. That is rich and full of crap. All they had to do was just put a microUSB port on the side of the phone and everyone would of been happy.
That just one of example of apple continuing to lock people in.
I would not have been happy. Why do I need a second port making my iPhone bigger and cutting another hole in the side of my new iPhone 4? I already have a perfectly functional dock connector which works with all my accessories.
As for the charger standard, the important thing about the agreement is the standardization of the chargers themselves, not of the phones. By agreeing to use the same voltages and polarities, they have eliminated the obsolescence problem that saw so many chargers ending up in landfills. The purpose was not to make charging with anyone's charger more convenient, but to prevent your old charger becoming obsolete.
You can shout all you want, but adapters are contemplated in the agreement, and are the perfect solution for preserving the functionality of the iPhone's dock connector. The fact is that any standard microUSB charger will charge an iPhone with the use of a simple adapter, and so purchase of an iPhone doesn't result in your old charger ending up in the landfill. You just plug the adapter on the end and leave it. And that is the spirit of the agreement.
Sorry but your size argument is complete bull because guess what the microUSB port is SMALLER than the 30 pin connection. Not larger. Apple choosing to stick with the 30 pin connection increases the size of the phone.
Also the size limitation of a cell phone has not been technological for a VERY long time. average cell phone size has increase in the past few years not decreased.
So the do not use the size agrument because anyone who knows much about cell phones know how much BS is in the size.
The agreement have microUSB as the connection. This was to prevent priopartiy ports from making people have to throw away chargers.
Apple as a case a point choose to increase waste not decrease it.
I just used as a example of their standards preaching as BS.
Sim card size changes is sim for "size" is crap on microsim.
I would have been pissed. I fix people's electronics for cash from time to time. EVERY time I fix a phone guess whats broken? ****ing microUSB
First of all, you did not say they should have replaced the dock connector, you said that they should have added a microUSB port on the side. That definitely would have increased the size of the phone. There is just no room to add another connector to the phone without changing the size. And it would put an additional hole in the beautiful structure of the phone.
Secondly, if you now want to argue that they should have replaced the dock connector with microUSB, then you're on even more shaky ground. There are tens of millions of accessories out there that use the dock connector and which could NOT be adapted to microUSB. You would be making all of these accessories, some of which cost hundreds of dollars, completely useless. Not only that, but a 4-pin USB port simply cannot duplicate the functionality of the 30-pin dock connector, at least not without greatly increasing the cost of accessories, which would need to have USB controllers and computer chips just to split out the various control signals, etc. You're talking a huge change in how the iPhone works.
I would have been mildly upset if they'd increased the size of the phone to accommodate an additional useless connector, but I would have been outraged if they had replaced the dock connector with a microUSB.
It would have pissed off all the accessory makers for iPod and iPhone if they used microusb, the 30-pin connector is part of the iPod ecosystem and apple, building an iPod phone, decided that it would be more beneficial for its costumers to have a 30-pin connector to use existing accessories. It's not about locking people in. Long story short, the 30-pin connector is a standard for Apple, and it wouldn't make sense if they used microusb and screwed all the accessory makers. Your argument just doesn't make sense here.
Apple has done it in the past on screwing over accessiorse when they change the 30pin connector. Many of the earily ones plus even Apple own HiFi are all useless on modern iPods because they devices can not use the firewire chargning. A little change they did not tell you about it.
As for the size argument. It could easily fit in the side and I can promise you people like you would scream how great it was if apple did it. I mean people complained when the pictures of the iPhone 4 first leak on how ugly it is. Then their god Steve Jobs spoke and they now scream how good it is. The alone kills your agrument.
The size argument is BS because the controlling factor on size of a modern cell phone is the screen size and to be usable. Not techology. That means even in something as thing as the iPhone 4 there is still a lot of air space. I have seen cell phone thinner than the up coming iphone. They were not smart phones but it was also 7-8 years ago so in 7 years you are telling me that they could not shrink the space requirement even more then you are even more clueless.
All in all I have yet to see anything other than argument that your god has not said it was good.
Do you not know how a GSM phone works? If apple really wanted to lock people in why didn't they do that? I'll answer.
1. It doesn't work that way, you need a SIM card
2. They aren't trying to lock people in anyway.
I think the whole 30 pin connector was more of an issue five years ago. My friend was always brining over his iPod, but he had to bring the charger and his dock also, because no Apple devices existed in my house at that time.
Today, Almost everyone I know know has at least 1 iPod charging cable laying around.
I have 4 iPod chargers with cables now, and a cable for my laptop & desktop.
Look At the mess with USB, mini B to micro B.
And with the onset of USB 3, it will change again. With that said I hope Apple can keep its connector the same when USB 3 is more standard.
Today, Almost everyone I know know has at least 1 iPod charging cable laying around.
I have 4 iPod chargers with cables now, and a cable for my laptop & desktop.
Look At the mess with USB, mini B to micro B.
And with the onset of USB 3, it will change again. With that said I hope Apple can keep its connector the same when USB 3 is more standard.
I REALLY dont get the point of the argument, your operator will issue the SIM needed for the phone, all any carrier will have to do is order the microsims, there are some extra functionality embedded in the chip, but it's still backwards compatible, so the programming of the sims wont have to change either.
And the thing about swapping sims to different phones, aren't AT&T and other carriers cloning the sim as a twin card i you ask them to? I know there's little issue to getting that done here in sweden..
And the thing about swapping sims to different phones, aren't AT&T and other carriers cloning the sim as a twin card i you ask them to? I know there's little issue to getting that done here in sweden..
What part of new/smaller technology standard is so hard to understand??
Just because Apple is earlier than most other manufacturers to utilize this industry standard doesn't mean they are trying to lock you to their phone. The entire idea is ludicrous.
Some people will do anything to find the conspiracy theories they need to give them purpose.
Just because Apple is earlier than most other manufacturers to utilize this industry standard doesn't mean they are trying to lock you to their phone. The entire idea is ludicrous.
Some people will do anything to find the conspiracy theories they need to give them purpose.
Its amazing how apple fan boys swear that whatever comes out of Steve Job is how things should be. I love my Iphone but I dont agree with everything that apple does but its funny how people love to talk crap on what they don't know or give assumptions on what they think is there solutions to all apples ways of doing things. When the truth is non one knows crap until the carrier announces how it will deal with the MircoSim dilema for people that actually have a need to revert back to a non MicrosSim Phone.
You do not get it. Techonogoical size has not been a limitting factor of cell phones for YEARS. Yes read that YEARS. Cell phone size on average has been increase. The controlling limitation of the size of a cell phone now days is usability.
The part that Microsim has been around since 2003 but no one choose to use it because lets see it does not really offer much use over the standard sim card. The carriers saw no extra use for it. The phone manufactures clearly saw no point to it. More and more phones have moved on to storing contact on the phone since it can store a lot more info. Mix that with everything being back up on the computer or in the cloud even less motivation to care. Users like the cloud and just go off that.
If you want smaller tech and that is your entire argument apple could of said to hell with SIM card and basicly choose some odd ball size and built it into the phone. The sim card if choose can be built into the phone and work with GSM networks. yeah it goes against GSM standard but does not stop them from doing it. That way apple could save even more room and not have to deal with even put a slot for it on the out side.
Apple is doing this to increase the difficulty of flipping between phones.
Why did they go with Microsim for the iPad because size sure as hell is not a valid argument there.
Wow your post is hilarious if i can recall apple has been late on a lot things that have been a standard across all manufactures. This is just another example of blind apple fan boys! You gotta love them! thanks for making me laugh