Other Why no iPhone “Note”?

[The-Real-Deal82]

The Note has always been aimed at the niche market historically due to its size and business features. It’s never sold particularly well in my country and in fact one of the recent Note offerings wasn’t offered in Europe due to limited interest. I think the Note 9 has got a fair bit of interest due to people now not minding bigger phones. Samsung Galaxies tend to come down in price after a month or two as well.

 

[pika2000]

It’s a bigger market than people may think.

No it's not.
How many phones out there comes with a stylus? There's the Galaxy Note, and then there's LG's Stylo mid-low model. So two phone models, both Korean, out of, how many Android phone models out there on the market? Definitely not a big market.

And even for Samsung, people buys the Galaxy Note because it is Samsung's most expensive model, not because of the stylus. Case point, proven by Samsung's own stats, when the Note 7 was recalled, most owners chose to get the S7 Edge (the next Samsung's most expensive phone at that time) instead of the Note 5. It proves that the stylus is not the main reason people bought the Note series.

What Samsung has proven with the original Note is that people wants phablet-size phones. Apple already answered that with the Plus size iPhones. Even Samsung decided to make a Plus version of their S series. The stylus itself is irrelevant.
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This still has major influence on Apple…

Well, I agree with Jobs, but the context at that time is that the smartphones of that time (Windows Mobile, Palm), requires the stylus to operate their basic UIs. Imo Jobs' point was that you shouldn't require a stylus to operate the phone, because of those listed reasons above.

I still think it is stupid and silly to have Apple pencil support on an iPhone. But we already see that the "stylus" on the iPad is great. Now where's that new iPad mini with Pencil support?
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The Note has always been aimed at the niche market historically due to its size and business features. It’s never sold particularly well in my country and in fact one of the recent Note offerings wasn’t offered in Europe due to limited interest. I think the Note 9 has got a fair bit of interest due to people now not minding bigger phones. Samsung Galaxies tend to come down in price after a month or two as well.

The Note was "aimed" at a niche market, but what Samsung realized is that:
1. The Asian market wants phones with larger screens.
2. Samsung has become a good brand for many people, thus many people bought the Note as a status symbol

Of course, those reasons have nothing to do with the stylus. Samsung is just keeping the Note line as the top tier flagship nowadays.
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I’m sure if Apple offered all the discounts and promotions Samsung offers with their note 9, more Apple users will upgrade.

Imagine Apple giving away a tv with every iPhone.

That would be great.

Yeah, Samsung seems desperate. I mean gifts and freebies are normal, but they are giving a TV with a phone? LOL.

 

[MacWins]

From Kuo's last note, it seems that none of the 3 2018 iPhones will support the Apple Pencil!
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/08/27/kuo-2018-iphones-no-apple-pencil/

 

[Shanghaichica]

No it's not.
How many phones out there comes with a stylus? There's the Galaxy Note, and then there's LG's Stylo mid-low model. So two phone models, both Korean, out of, how many Android phone models out there on the market? Definitely not a big market.

And even for Samsung, people buys the Galaxy Note because it is Samsung's most expensive model, not because of the stylus. Case point, proven by Samsung's own stats, when the Note 7 was recalled, most owners chose to get the S7 Edge (the next Samsung's most expensive phone at that time) instead of the Note 5. It proves that the stylus is not the main reason people bought the Note series.

What Samsung has proven with the original Note is that people wants phablet-size phones. Apple already answered that with the Plus size iPhones. Even Samsung decided to make a Plus version of their S series. The stylus itself is irrelevant.
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Well, I agree with Jobs, but the context at that time is that the smartphones of that time (Windows Mobile, Palm), requires the stylus to operate their basic UIs. Imo Jobs' point was that you shouldn't require a stylus to operate the phone, because of those listed reasons above.

I still think it is stupid and silly to have Apple pencil support on an iPhone. But we already see that the "stylus" on the iPad is great. Now where's that new iPad mini with Pencil support?
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The Note was "aimed" at a niche market, but what Samsung realized is that:
1. The Asian market wants phones with larger screens.
2. Samsung has become a good brand for many people, thus many people bought the Note as a status symbol

Of course, those reasons have nothing to do with the stylus. Samsung is just keeping the Note line as the top tier flagship nowadays.
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Yeah, Samsung seems desperate. I mean gifts and freebies are normal, but they are giving a TV with a phone? LOL.

Or maybe people took the S7 edge because it was the newest phone available. Why would I return my note 7 and opt for a phone that was a year old. Many people got the note 8 said they had been waiting for a new note after having to settle with the S7 edge.

10 million note 8’s were sold. So I wouldn’t say nobody cares about the S-pen. 10 million is more than any other android phone apart from the S series. The note series is niche but some people obviously care about the S pen.

 

[FFR]

Or maybe people took the S7 edge because it was the newest phone available. Why would I return my note 7 and opt for a phone that was a year old. Many people got the note 8 said they had been waiting for a new note after having to settle with the S7 edge.

Your proving his point. The stylus didn’t matter enough. So people got an s7 instead of a note 5.

10 million note 8’s were sold. So I wouldn’t say nobody cares about the S-pen. 10 million is more than any other android phone apart from

Yes as much as the original note which is the entire point as sales have been in decline for a while now and are far from peak note sales.

And the note 9 Is doing worse than the note 8

There are plenty of android oems that sell more than 10 million units.
But this thread is about Apple adding a stylus, and at 216 million iPhones a year, 10 million is pretty much nothing.

At 10 million units the note line with the stylus is now a niche product with rumors Samsung will be cancelling the line if note 9 sales don’t improve.

 

[44267547]

From Kuo's last note, it seems that none of the 3 2018 iPhones will support the Apple Pencil!
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/08/27/kuo-2018-iphones-no-apple-pencil/

if there was one bogus rumor this year, its I don’t believe that Apple Pencil support will be for the iPhone. At least not yet. And there is no reason for Apple to give all three iPhones for the 6.1/5.8/6.5 Apple Pencil support, when Apple would likely make that more exclusive for the larger 6.5 iPhone X *if* they did allow Apple Pencil support.

 

[Shanghaichica]

if there was one bogus rumor this year, its I don’t believe that Apple Pencil support will be for the iPhone. At least not yet. And there is no reason for Apple to give all three iPhones for the 6.1/5.8/6.5 Apple Pencil support, when Apple would likely make that more exclusive for the larger 6.5 iPhone X *if* they did allow Apple Pencil support.

I agree as much I want it to be true I’m skeptical about it. I mean Apple have the 6.1 inch iPhone and a bigger X to generate buzz this year. They can save the Apple Pencil for another year. I did want it though.