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For example, i could buy a decent machine with 4GB ram, good processor etc for £600.00, and that would run Logic for instance fine. Why would i be better for me to spend £1200(ish) on a Mac Book pro that would do the same thing?


IBLUE:

The above was my question originaly...

The general feedback i seem to be getting is that PC and MACs do the same thing, BUT you my have issues with perfomance speed over time with a PC that you would'nt get with a MAC. The choice i/you have to make, is that worth spending the extra cash for??

As for the Brainwashed post's, i know a few fan boys and there answers tend to go along the lines of " they just are better " and " because " which is what i was getting on repeat in the other thread.

Its quite refreshing to get a educated answer for a change.

MERCER:

The above applies to you
 
^ Okay, because in my experience when all major internal hardware components being equal, the Mac seems to do it more effortlessly. It requires less of me. I get so frustrated when I have to use windows. Endless amounts of little glitches and dialogue boxes asking if I really want to do something, making sure my virus protection is up to date, rebooting all the time because something isn't working right, the whole system crashing because one little program went down, etc. It's a headache. Macs/OS X is not perfect but I find it so much more pleasant to use, and it's pretty! :p Speaking of which, I love the look of macs. There are so few PCs that look as good as an Apple. The ones that do look okay cost just as much if not more (e.g., Sony Viao). I like form and function.
 
I am no fanboy.

I own an Xbox 360 and an Nintendo Wii

I just prefer to use Apple for my computing needs. I do get excited when new products are released but that includes other companys aswell as apple.

When people who are looking to switch like yourself ask me on why they should, i honestly believe they should already know the answer to that question and maybe do abit of research before they go onto a MacRumors forum and posing the question like you have, i would welcome you to try my mac and see the difference although i doubt you would just "get it" as you wouldnt feel the benefit until you became familiar with the OS,

When i switched about 3 years ago i had your similar thoughts and questions but instead of going on forums annoying people, i just went for it and havent looked back since. I now await product releases with air of excitement because i feel part of a club or community like when the first iphone came out and i purchased that. I do like the design but i also love the OS. i just like everything Apple but i love my xbox aswell. whatever works for you is the best advice i could give you, so go to PC world and browse away....they have macs there too.


:cool::apple::rolleyes:
 
When people who are looking to switch like yourself ask me on why they should, i honestly believe they should already know the answer to that question and maybe do abit of research before they go onto a MacRumors QUOTE]
This is the research, i'm a realist.. the video's on Apples website will tell me how fantastic there MAC's are...Because they are at the end of the day a company wanting to make sales. Im not having a pop, the same style would be used for any company selling there products.

The best way to get an answer is to ask people who have got the products... Maybe slightly biased on here but in general know what's what.
 
I agree. the apple website will tell you how great they are....but maybe try an independant tech website ermmmm ala - Cnet or Engadget or even TechRadar....you could even go to youtube and view hundreds of videos with reviews and comparisons....you may think it will be all fanboys there but you do get honest answers..


Peace out bimbobansnid
 
Somebody who spends the time to upload on youtube about MACS will have the same bias as somebody on MAC rumours. The interaction is not as go on youtube than what you get on a forum.

MERCER:

I have looked on other websites for answers, MAC rumours forum is a part of research...
 
Here's my thoughts. Clearly, the choice is yours - here are the salient Pros and Cons of a Mac versus a Windows box -- in my opinion. Happy shopping.

Pros

The OS. Snow Leopard is a joy to use; it boots up in a little under 20 seconds, most applications launch within milliseconds of clicking the icon and it shuts down in seconds. It doesn't 'bog down' over time and actually appears to get more responsive as it builds up caches and generally reorganises your system. Hard disk fragmentation is minimised and actively fixed in the background without user intervention.

The User Experience of OS X is excellent, to the extent that Microsoft have 'borrowed' many of the concepts for Windows 7. The Dock, Expose, Stacks and Spotlight are all examples of truly useful tools that you will wonder how you lived without if you decide to buy.

Hardware support in OS X is exceptional. Apple control the hardware ecosystem on which the OS runs - this brings a number of tangible benefits. First, it means they can test and verify better than Microsoft can with Windows; I recently read that 80% of crash dumps from Vista were caused by malfunctioning third party drivers. As Apple own and test all the drivers, this doesn't happen. Secondly, your average Windows box will require a stream of OS add-in control panels and systray applications to manage your hardware (audio drivers, video card drivers, etc). These are generally an annoyance, integrating into the OS in clunky and ill-thought out ways. You won't get this with a Mac.

General resource management appears to be significantly better than Windows; have you noticed the way Windows seems to perpetually swap in- and out- from disk-based virtual memory, even when it is apparently idle (irrespective of free RAM)? OS X doesn't suffer from that. All machines across the Apple range sleep and wake within seconds without any concerns about subsequent issues with device drivers failing.

Finally, OS X comes without the usual barrage of trial/shovelware you tend to associate with PC manufacturers - everything that is included is there for a reason. Whilst I appreciate you can achieve a similar result in Windows with a clean install, you'll always end up relying on some at-cost, bolt-on extras for tools like adequate virus protection.

On that point, Virus and Malware protection. Beyond the usual common sense measures (Firewall, being careful) I don't run any anti-virus or anti-malware software on my Mac. And I haven't done for 3 years. No viruses, no malware, no problems. And as a result, I've had none of the overhead, system slowdown or licensing costs that are almost mandatory on a Windows PC.


Product design wise, they win hands down. Class-leading looks and build quality, made with top-line materials and exceptional fit and finish.

They're designed by someone who appears to actually have thought about what a home computer should be like; for example, the silent-running iMac requires only a single power cord as the display, computer and good quality speakers are all integrated in one box. Compare this to your average desktop PC - 3 mains plugs, wires strewn around the place and a great big whirring fan to keep your attention.

On this front, they shame all but a handful of other computer manufacturers (Sony excepted, maybe). Compare the aluminium unibody Macbooks to your average Dell laptop in terms of rigidity and materials to understand where some of that extra money goes.


Cons

Cost. In the Windows world, you get a choice cost-wise - if quality matters to you, you buy a Sony (for Apple-like money). If it doesn't, you pick up a £200 Acer with your weekly shopping at Tesco. Clearly, Apple don't offer this choice and hence they carry the perception of an expensive brand.

(Personally, I think this is a moot point - if you can't justify the cost, you can't justify the cost. Buy the Acer. I'd love a Porsche 997 Carrera, but it costs too much for me to justify and my Focus does a similar job at a price I can justify.)

Lack of component modularity. When a PC component goes bang, you can generally replace the faulty component for a minimal cost (new network card, etc) and can generally undertake the work yourself. Macs tend to be very difficult for home users to fix in this manner, often requiring specialist assistance. My advice; buy one from a UK supplier like John Lewis to get a free 2 year warranty.

This also affects your ability to upgrade a Mac; beyond memory upgrades and (maybe) hard disk upgrades, it is what it is until you buy a new one.

Regards,
DanP
 
Mac's, in my opinion, are better, because they come with all the 'programs' you would normally need to download on a PC (PDF Viewer, Good web browser, iTunes, drivers...ect...). This means you are ready to use it straight away.

That's a bit annoying, but you don't want iTunes on a Windows PC anyways, it's always run terribly on my Windows PCs.

Another reason is because of virus'es, or the lack of them. No need to pay for an antivirus, which takes half of your ram.

If you're smart about your browsing you don't need to worry about viruses too much. Thankfully I get free virus protection software at my University. :) They also require it for Macs though... :confused:

Also it is the customer satisfaction rate is very high. I havent met a person unhappy with a Mac. And I certainly am not with mine. Mac's are much stabler than PC's, due to the fact that the Operating System is based on UNIX and that it is all designed for the hardware you get in a mac. You get a PC, and install Windows, there are all-sorts of driver conflicts making the Operating System unstable. You dont get that in a mac, my mac has only crashed a program twice and I've had it 6 months.

I agree, every person I've met that owns a Mac is happy with it. In stark contrast with me and this Dell...

Fully 64bit now with Snow Leopard. Windows are still releasing 32bit versions of windows.

Forgive me, I'm not a computer techie... what's better about 64bit over 32?

Mac's last longer. You can buy a PC, own it for around 2-3 years, before your Operating System becomes obsolete and you have to buy another, due to the new system requirements of the next Windows. With the exception of the recent drop of support for PowerPC and 32bit, OS X works on a wide range of Mac's. You buy a brand new Mac right now, and Im willing to bet it could last up to 5-7 years. Possibly even 10, because software manufacturers are still making apps for Tiger.

I owned a Dell desktop for about ten years running Windows 2000 Professional (Windows 98 before that). It was a pain in the ass, but it can be done. Heh, it had a whopping 400MHz Pentium II and 512MB RAM and lasted until March 2008.

Support for a Mac is amazing. I had a problem with my iPod and iTunes, I called up Apple Product Support and the kind female on the other end guided me through my problem with ease. Microsoft and support dont fit in the same sentence together.

Microsoft has pretty good customer service for the Xbox 360.

And let's just have one more dig at windows before I finish. Let's be honest, the fact that the majority of Windows users are using an operating system that is 10 years old now (XP) just says enough about Windows.

Like I said above, I used Windows 2000 Professional for 8+ years... :eek: It ain't gonna be that way with Vista! :apple:
 
i thought you give up :p

Now you're just asking for it. Had a slight bit of sympathy for you up until that comment. You've done your 'research'. Now go put your money where your mouth is, err, I guess where everyone else's mouth is since you can't make up your own mind.


P.S. My opinion: I like the pretty hardware and OS.
 
Now you're just asking for it. Had a slight bit of sympathy for you up until that comment. You've done your 'research'. Now go put your money where your mouth is, err, I guess where everyone else's mouth is since you can't make up your own mind.


P.S. My opinion: I like the pretty hardware and OS.

HAHA that was tongue-in-cheek, i actualy Know Mercer. The above post's give that away i think. Don't take it so seriously.

Thanks for the reply though...:)
 
Between home and work/school, I've used both platforms simultaneously since elementary school. I prefer a Mac because my time is valuable.

With Windows, apps are always popping their windows the the front and claiming focus. I'm always waiting for virus scans to finish so I can have full use of my CPU back. OS X never gets in my way.

For my job, I need both commercial graphics software (Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash) and a fully functional UNIX environment. I get all of that right out of the box with a Mac, and it all works together smoothly.

And finally, the software ecology for OS X is much healthier AFAICT. Some would argue that there's much more software available for Windows, but most of it is really crappy software. In my experience, the average quality of free and inexpensive Mac apps is much higher than for Windows in terms of both usability and bugginess, and I'm much more confident that the software directories aren't offering me trojans. I use apps such as Adium, VoodooPad, Textwrangler, Transmit every single day for work, and have never been impressed with the Windows equivalents -- where equivalents even exist.

The difference in price between a Mac and a Windows machine is equivalent to 15-20 hours of my time. Even if the Mac didn't hold its value better over its lifetime, it will certainly save me that many hours over the span of 2-3 years.
 
I think it's pretty simple. If you want to run Logic Pro you need OSX. If you're gonna spend all that money on this software wouldn't you want it fully supported? This means running on Apple hardware.

Your other option is a cheaper* hackintosh with no support.


*cheaper meaning the time to provide yourself support has no value.
 
I think it's pretty simple. If you want to run Logic Pro you need OSX. If you're gonna spend all that money on this software wouldn't you want it fully supported? This means running on Apple hardware.
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Ah, i didnt realise that there would be problems running Logic on a PC, is it a Apple based program?

in which i mean it was designed to run on a Mac?

Cheers
 
here are my thoughts on why i bought a macbook instead of a pc laptop

pros:

looks - the laptops really set the standard in design and are very beautiful.

trackpad - the multitouch trackpad is amazing. i can't stress enough how much of a pleasure it is to use for web browsing, expose, zooming, etc.

cons:

price - getting a mac probably cost me 30% more than what an equivalent pc would have

Windows vs. OSX
i use both windows and osx, and there's really no HUGE differences between the two. anything you can do in one os you can pretty much do in the other. i like osx because it's built on a unix base and i can run terminal commands and shell very easily. i like windows because of its extensive compatibility and support.

macs generally have less viruses but i've never had virus problems in windows. and if you use an assembly based virus scan like nod32, it's pretty lightweight

what really annoys me in vista is the way updates are performed. there are constant reminders to update that you can't ignore, you can only "postpone" the reminder. and the updates aren't done in a batch, so sometimes you have to update, restart, download more updates, restart, over and over again. i haven't used 7 extensively so i can't say whether they've addressed this

in terms of those free and good programs, windows is better. because there are much fewer mac developers, a lot of basic programs cost money. for instance, i want a simple program to remap mouse buttons and i use the trial version of steermouse because i can't find a free alternative. also, i use the trial version of controllermate for keyboard hotkey remapping and it is a bulky program whereas the windows equivalent, autohotkey is very lightweight and FREE.
 
1. If you're smart about your browsing you don't need to worry about viruses too much. Thankfully I get free virus protection software at my University. :) They also require it for Macs though... :confused:

2. Forgive me, I'm not a computer techie... what's better about 64bit over 32?

3. I owned a Dell desktop for about ten years running Windows 2000 Professional (Windows 98 before that). It was a pain in the ass, but it can be done. Heh, it had a whopping 400MHz Pentium II and 512MB RAM and lasted until March 2008.

4. Microsoft has pretty good customer service for the Xbox 360.


1. Even if you are cautious with browsing, what are considered harmless virus's like Ad Tracking Cookies can be found on many normal websites. If you get plent of these and your browsing speed and the working speed of your browser will slow down. Mac's have around 110ish virus out now, not very harmful at all and Apple have made it so they are impossible to run in OS X. So I'm sure your uni thing is just precautions.

2. Errr... something to do with the amount of variable's a program or OS can have, making it better and more powerful somehow. I'm not really sure, but I know it's the future and Apple are already there.

3. Well done... I had Windows 98 for 3 years (my first ever computer) before moving onto Ubuntu Linux in 2006 (when extended support was dropped for 98), and now I have a mac. Never looking back :)

4. Wouldn't know... I only have a PS2. I believe you tho.
 
I choose my words carefully this time,

And i'm not having a pop! Just so we are clear.....:)

Why should i be buying a Mac over a "normal" PC?

What makes these machine better?

For example, i could buy a decent machine with 4GB ram, good processor etc for £600.00, and that would run Logic for instance fine. Why would i be better for me to spend £1200(ish) on a Mac Book pro that would do the same thing?

Thanks

feed Back Welcome :D

is there even a point to this thread?
you can buy a mac if the whim takes you, no one here is going to convince you if you dont want to be convinced are they,

personally for PC money though, you should get a Mac mini
theyre very capable little systems, unless you want something more hench for some heavier work, a mac mini would do most things that any normal desktop user could throw at it ;)
 
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