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I was a full-on DOS/Windows user (with a healthy dose of Linux sprinkled in the 90's) from the late 80's until the end of 2007.

I had never really considered Apple because I just didn't know enough about it other than stuff I had heard...not much software available, didn't run on Intel (when I had thought about it at one time), etc.

I went through every major version of Windows except NT 3.51 (I did run NT 4 and liked it a lot at the time), and while it was good, it still had its share of issues - if you did nothing, it would get slower and slower until you just wanted to heave the computer out of a window.

I got a lot of exposure to Macs when I was selling them at CompUSA and really saw how similar - yet so much more powerful - OS X was to Windows.

I don't consider myself a fanboy, but you can't tell that to some of my friends the way I say how much better Macs are than PCs. Apple's design is certainly nicer than most PCs, but that's not important to me. What IS important is that OS X is built on top of UNIX and is extremely stable and can literally run for MONTHS at a time without rebooting (I know - I've done it...I've never been able to say the same for Windows, even NT 4, which was *quite* stable.)

Lack of viruses, and maybe 4 or 5 bits of malware - that are almost impossible to catch unless you go looking for them - compared to being able to be infected on Windows just by going to a website with an infected ad banner (I've heard there are literally hundreds of thousands of different strains of viruses/trojans/spyware for Windows these days.)

The problem of little or no good software on Macs is from 10+ years ago. Nowadays you can find most of the major Windows software either available directly for Macs, or you can find a close replacement. The Mac App Store really is turning into a great place to find/discover new software, and I would imagine it's due in large part to all the people developing for iOS, making their titles available for Macs too (someone correct me if this is incorrect.)

Once I started using OS X, it was just a much more pleasant experience than "dealing" with Windows. The software is designed better, easier to install and remove, etc. People tend to look at the price first and say "Geez, Apples are expensive", without ever knowing that all the little things come together to give you a better computing experience. Well, at least it does for me, and I won't be switching back anytime soon.
 
I'm not big on technology, or techno-speak. But I know my Mac, and I can't live without it!

I got my first Macbook through school, in one of those free laptop programs. All Art majors got Macs (included Adobe CS, Final Cut Pro, the works!), while everyone else got these honkin' shoddy IBMs (with like, Solitaire). This was in 2006. When all the freshmen came in, we were sorted by our major, then by our computers. The special, elite Macs, and then everyone else in GenEd or whatever. :p The first thing we had to do was set them up in the big dome... Tons of people around to help. Except, on the Mac side there was one person to help and 3 tables, while on the IBM side, there were 2 helpers per table (like 30 tables!).

The one person on the Mac side was there to show us how to turn it on (in case we had never seen a Mac before)... and that was it. I got my crispy Mac out of the case, was a bit scared of it actually (I'd had this huge, old school PC from the dark ages to do my word processing on... that's all I'd known), and started it up. Took my pic, typed in a password, a name... basic things. I was done in 5 minutes. I shut it off and put it back in the pretty box...

But my best friend was on the IBM side. She had to upload all sorts of software, had a stack of discs to insert, and was sitting there with 2 helpers, while watching a video projection of step-by-step instructions on the set up. She was there for 40 minutes, no lie.

I had to return it when I transferred, but I made sure to get a new one ASAP. About the same week my husband bought his PC, a Dell Inspiron (they came in all the pretty colors, remember?) I got mine, unwrapped it, and had all my stuff transferred to it in 5 minutes. Just, name, picture, info... click and drag. I set my background and it was my macbaby again!

But my husband's Dell took half an hour to turn on (to home screen), and another forever to install Microsoft Office. And today, my same Mac boots up in 20 secs max, while his takes nearly 10 minutes to stop flashing updates and security scanners.

Mac owns. :cool:
 
The biggest difference is the touchpad; Apple does not have a right click function on the touchpad.
Cheers

Not true at all. Depends on the trackpad and year, but a two-finger click is a right-click. CTRL + Click is also a right click.

As for Mac vs PC, I use both (once I get my iMac working again) on a daily basis. Win7 is significantly better than xp (needed to fire up an xp box for school recently, 'twas weird). However lately I've found several reasons why I enjoy using OS X over windows:

quicklook
spotlight
mouse over scrolling (this is big IMO, I don't have to click into a window to start scrolling)
Preview (default photo viewer) can open almost any picture format I use, unlike the default photo viewer on windows. It can also view alpha channels.
Expose is great
System preferences is so much easier to navigate than control panel (IMO)
I prefer to hide the taskbar/dock in win/OS X, sometimes that is buggy in win7
I don't do much document work, but iWork is cheaper than even student office
you can easily disable the caps lock key on a mac
you can use sys prefs to assign custom hotkeys to an app even if the app itself doesn't support setup of custom hotkeys
easier to eject a drive in OS X vs win7 (click drive, press cmd + e, done)


seeing as you are looking at the 15" MBP, I would for sure recommend getting it. It is an all around great machine.
 
Hi. I'll try to be objective here:
- Mac OS X is slightly better than Win7. Win7 has improved a lot, it offers a backup solution and has the quick search XP lacked, so it's very close to Mac. But Mac still has a small edge over it.
- Mac Hardware is quite a lot better: the perceived quality is much higher. Just compare a Macbook Pro to the competition. Also, the Air has a very fast SSD for that money. The trackpad in the Macbooks is amazing. Much better than Windows machines
- you can buy a Mac in a shop, after trying it, using it, seeing, it, etc. And even then if you're not happy you can return after 2 weeks for a full refund. Often, to get a good deal with Windows you have to buy online without seeing the machine and refunds are troublesome
- Win7 is more compatible, no doubt about that. Think very carefully about what programs you'll need. Mac may not be useful for you. Although then you can put Win7, you'll have to add the price of a licence, and Macs don't work very well with Win. The trackpad is not as smooth as before, the machine is louder, and the battery life is shorter.

All in all, I'd say you think about which programs you'll need. If you can use Mac, then I'd buy one and try it for 2 weeks to see if you like it. You can always return it afterwards.
 
My wife has office 2011 on her mac. We got it for 10 bucks through the home use program and i still feel like we spent too much. Yes there are a few docs she needs it to open but most of the time she prefers openoffice.org or iwork. In all fairness, there are some advanced features excel does better than numbers or ooo, but i still avoid launching the bloated ms office unless absolutely necessary.

As for comparing the os, i'm still dealing with annoyances under win 7 at work like prolonged freezes and intermittent mouse operation. I look forward to using os x when i get home every day.
 
Well, if you're honestly wanting to hear what made someone switch or what made them like their Mac after they did, I've got a fair bit I can share - I hope you don't mind a (really) long post...

I had been curious about Macs for years, but I was forced to switch when my desktop died, leaving me with the 12" dual-USB 600MHz iBook I'd gotten for free a few months prior and hadn't really touched since.

After a first hesitant week, wherein I discovered that many, many updates needed to be applied, and that IE 5 was not the only browser, I came to really love that little machine, and OS X (Jaguar, since I couldn't justify spending the money on Tiger yet).

I think the best way to convey what I liked and what made me truly switch is to just give you a list of some features and experiences that made my day.


My very first experience with the iBook was positive. I remember spending an hour or more getting my older Win 2000 laptop's D-Link wireless card configured properly to connect to my router. I don't remember all the details about what was wrong, but it required calls to customer support, which folks told me that wireless security was just too much trouble, seldom worked right, and not to bother with it (ie, "we haven't got a clue what's wrong or what to do about it"). Clearly, that wasn't an option. I finally got it to work, but every few weeks something would happen and the laptop wouldn't connect, and I'd have to go through much of that hassle again.

I didn't have high hopes for the Mac, since Macs are off in their own little world, right? I mean, if the gold-standard Windows had such trouble, what are the chances it can even be done at all on a Mac? Well, here's how that scenario played out:
I booted up the iBook for the first time, noticed a Wifi logo up in that weird bar at the top, clicked it, noticed that there was a "Join other network" in the drop down, clicked that, typed the SSID and WEP password, and I was online in under 5 minutes. This on a completely unfamiliar machine that I was using for the very first time. My mind was slightly blown.


Next, stability. I know Windows 7 in particular is considered to be no slouch in that department, but my experiences were using Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, and XP, and having record uptimes of maybe a week, with the machine very slow and buggy by that time. I went for around 6 months without rebooting the iBook, and used it hard during that time, too.

I added, tried, and deleted dozens of applications. I hooked up several external drives, moved over about 20GB of music and pictures. I kept dozens of tabs open in Firefox, crashed the browser many times, expected the OS to go down with it, but it kept humming along. I wrote, rewrote, compiled and tested old code from my CS days. I put it to sleep 4 or 5 times a day, every day. I played with every setting imaginable. It never slowed down; it never crashed. It would have kept running longer had I known that it could stay asleep for almost a week on batteries, but alas I shut it down when a terrible thunderstorm rolled through.


Speaking of sleep, the iBook was the first machine I ever used that reliably slept. My Win 98 desktop would sleep sometimes, but it usually wouldn't wake back up, and generally just BSOD'd if you pressed the sleep button on the keyboard. Same deal with my Win 2000 desktop. I later had an XP laptop and desktop, and same with them - sleep either didn't happen, the machine failed to wake up, or trying to sleep it froze the machine or threw a BSOD.

I slept the iBook all the time - probably 4 or 5 times a day, and never had it crash or behave abnormally afterward. It was great.


I also came to really love that installing applications usually meant just dragging the app from a disk image into my Applications folder. Only a few apps used an install wizard (Office, for example). And deleting meant dragging the app to the trash, like any other file. And yes, I know and knew back then that plists and other such files are left behind, but I also know and learned back then that they generally don't matter. Which is a nice contrast to my experiences with bad Windows installers that would throw crap all over the system, bad uninstallers that would leave it behind, frequently resulting in left-over processes still running, and PITA fidgeting with the registry to finally sort it all out.


How about plug-and-play? Surely this is sorted by now, but booting my old Intel D850GB desktop with a particular USB mouse connected resulted in a fatal error in Windows 2000 on boot. Also, I found that plugging in a simple Logitech USB 2-button mouse with a scroll wheel, even though the latest version of Control Center (or whatever it was called back then), would generally cause some unusual, but slightly comical, results.

I had 2 identical USB 2-button mice, and one multi-button Logitech (I forget the models now). The multi-button one is the one that caused the fatal error, so I would generally plug in one of the others, boot up, then try to swap in the multi-button. Keep in mind, Windows 2000 had seen this mouse dozens of times, but it would frequently mis-identify it as a "human interface device" and seemed to have no idea what to do with it. Frequently, it would think it was a certain model of trackball. A few times, it thought it was a USB mass storage device or my iPod.

So I would unplug the nice mouse and plug back in one of the cheapies, and sometimes the machine would BSOD. Sometimes it would fail to recognize the mouse in any way. Sometimes, it would misidentify it. But even if it realized it was the same damned mouse it had booted with, the scroll wheel would no longer work. The funniest part, if I swapped it out for the other, identical cheapie, it would usually be just fine.

I had similar, though less frequent, problems with an XP laptop (this is in late 2006, btw) mis-identifying another USB mouse in much the same fashion. The worst was when it thought my USB stick with some pretty essential work files was an HID and would simply NOT let me access the files. Since they were for Houghton-Mifflin's Windows-only problem-editing suite (I wrote problems for those CDs that used to come with math books back then), the iBook couldn't help me, but let me tell you, never once did that Mac or any other I've used misidentify anything I plugged into a USB port.


Despite all of these examples, my favorite part of using a Mac, and the thing that really cemented me as a switcher, is a more intangible quality that is tougher to describe.

Using a Mac feels different, beyond the superficial differences in appearance or actual function. I used to micromanage every detail of my Windows boxes. I had 20GB of music, all arranged neatly into carefully-labeled folders, with each file named according to certain rules I set up. I spent hours maintaining this system. I had a routine for system maintenance, including defragging, running AV scans, archiving old emails I wanted to keep, etc. I spent a lot of time reading, trying to to anticipate and preemptively deal with problems that still seemed to occur anyway, or trying to fix ones that already had. After my lone rescue floppy turned out to not work when I needed it, I started making a two new ones every month, and testing them every week or so just to make sure they still worked. That's a lot of time spent not getting the work done that I own the machine to do.

When I used the Mac at first, I tried to bring those old habits over, and it didn't go so well. Then one day, after a few months, I just...let go? I guess that's the only way to describe it.

I stopped micromanaging, because it didn't need to be done. I didn't have to defrag, cron jobs handled the maintenance overnight, and the machine was reliable enough that I could leave it on all the time for the jobs to run. iTunes was much better, and I could find what I wanted to listen to faster in it than I had been able to even with my tediously-maintained system with which I had, through hours of work, built an intimate familiarity. My external worked reliably enough that I had a backup system I could have faith in, without rescue floppies, or the dozens of CDs I burned just in case Windows didn't recognize my external drives, or corrupted one thinking it was a mouse. (Along these lines, I could tell you a few horror stories about a Windows Me Athlon system I briefly had that confused internal drives - it routinely reported my CD drive as another hard drive or Zip drive, among other, much worse such confusions that resulted in quite a bit of data loss.)

I found time and time again that, even when I was expecting trouble, there was no trouble. Image Capture handled my camera better than the Canon software had under Windows 2000 and XP. I got an old printer to work over the print server built into the router with just a little effort (seriously, about 15 minutes searching for a solution, and another 15 getting it running) with lp and an open-source driver. It had refused to work at all with XP, even with D-Link's print server driver and the usual HP printer drivers.

There were so many times when I'd think, hmm, I wish I could do this or that, only to find out that I COULD in fact do this or that, and in a way that was kind of how I thought it SHOULD be done just on principle. Settings were easy to find, and generally where I expected them to be. I loved that practically any text anywhere at all could be highlighted and copied. I loved that plugging in my iPod launched iTunes UNDER whatever I was doing (which, sadly, isn't the case anymore). I loved that I was able to just kind of forget the computer and get my work done, which actually just made me realize the computer even more, but in a good way, because it was working well.

In Windows, if I wanted to do something, I would generally start out by searching the internet, since I expected either to need new software, or to tweak a setting I wouldn't expect or know where to find. At first, I approached the Mac the same way. But over a short time, when I asked myself, I wonder if I can do this, I would start by just trying to do it in a way that seemed to make sense to me, and it very often worked just like that!


After a few years, I upgraded to Tiger, and things got even better. I could easily go on about how my iBook ran even faster than it had, how awesome the Tiger-version of Exposé was, etc, etc, but I won't. Likely no one will read all this anyway.

So instead I'll just give you one of the ever-popular car analogies to sum it up.
My old car was a decent car (at first anyway), and I knew it inside and out. I knew to turn the air conditioner off when going up a hill to keep the cruise from jerking into a lower gear. I knew how to manipulate the automatic transmission to get it to downshift if I wanted a little more oomph. The ride was a little rough, so I came to know where all the bumps were in the roads I drove most frequently so I could avoid them, and I automatically tensed up and braced for any unexpected bumps when I'd travel. I never thought of these quirks as problems, they were just there, and I dealt with them.

But then one day I got a new car, and to it I brought these old habits. At first, the new car didn't seem any better than my old one. Sure, it was newer and shinier, but it's just a car, it gets me from point A to point B. But soon I realized I didn't have to turn off the air when going uphill, or worry about goosing the pedal just right to get a downshift, and best of all, I realized I could relax when I traveled and not worry about the bumps in the road.
 
Well said, sine-nomine! After your mouse problems I should add that on my shiny new Dell E6400 running Win 7 Enterprise there are more than 3 times a week when my bluetooth mouse quits working for minutes at a time. One time I plugged in a usb mouse only to find even it didn't work and I was left with that postage stamp sized trackpad to get through the next painfully less productive minutes. So while Win 7 has made some improvements, the same chamber of horrors lies underneath. I agree with you about the plists as well. If you know what HKLM means, chances are you're as sick of the registry as I am.

Today. Not win 98. But today if I want to get rid of caps lock on a Windows box, even if it's win 7, I am faced with...
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout

On OS X, it's a System Preferences pane setting.
 
I stopped micromanaging, because it didn't need to be done.

This is also my experience.

While I have a laundry list of tweaks, and spend about 30 minutes configuring everything the way I like it on W7, I can literally leave the Mac OS X settings on default.

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Just to let you know, I have been mighty darn impressed by some of the replies here. It's amazing how just snippets of information and experiences from other users help.

It's kinda weird, because usually I would be approaching a problem like this with some knowledge about what I am looking to buy, but it's interesting to find myself in a position where I really don't know anything about the Mac operating system other than it runs on Mac and I hear so many good things about it. So again, I greatly appreciate all your experiences - I've been checking up every day and having a read of all your posts no matter how big or small.

I'm definitely seeing some reoccurring patterns in what you're saying and what's even more good to see is the acknowledgement that Windows 7 is actually good; basically, I have had my fair share of 'apple fanboy' comments - hate that phrase - but it's great to read some of your posts and stories.

Sine-nomine I made it to the end to your post! It made for an interesting read and amusing in places, especially with the mouse problem. I've had the same encounter and sometimes I just want to scream.

Thank you to all who are pointing out to consider the programs I use. I'll be keeping a close eye on what I use, but I am fairly confident from what I've seen that the programs I use should be available on Mac.

bf2008, thanks for that list. At least I know that if Mac isn't for me, I'll still have time to reconsider.

r0k, I've heard the same about Excel; how it has some more advanced features in some areas. I'm a chemistry student so I tend to deal with a lot of graphs - scatter graphs mainly.

So it would be silly for me not to ask, how does iWorks shape up to Office? My main uses are presentations, word processing and of course graphs. Does iWorks offer a good range of tools and options?
 
Productivity, fun, no wasted time.
As a 20-some year IT guy who's had literally countless Mac and PC machines, I can unequivocally state that Apple has it right.
For me.
For you? Perhaps not.
For what you described you'd have to ask is switching and learning a whole new world worth it? The tasks you described can be done on anything. And if you are used to and can handle the RELENTLESS assault of viruses and similar script kiddie attacks, why change.
Two things I can say with certainty: 1. At work even the most hardened PC user who came then was given our standard Macbook Pro (I have 250+ staff laptops), will NEVER go back to PC. 2. Once you join the Apple world, there are a lot of VERY fine and knowledgeable people here and at other forums to help you at every step on every question.
 
Fair point Kern.

The daily tasks that I do probably won't change much switching from PC to Mac. It would just be a different interface so a point well said really.

A part of me loves trying new things, I have an iPod touch and I thought I would dabble with Android as well to see what the other side was like. Maybe this is the next step? I have genuinely enjoyed all the apple products I've brought and from what people are expressing, it sounds like this is a purchase that I'll enjoy for a long time and maybe I'll end up in the crowd who wondered why they didn't make the switch sooner.

But yes, I get what you mean. This is not a cheap purchase by any means. I have decided though that if it comes to the situation where my dad doesn't want to buy the laptop, I'll hang on to the laptop. I couldn't warrant paying all that money for something which won't really do anything different to the laptop I have now, but I understand that the feel and experience with a mac will probably be much different. Maybe I will eat my words once I have tried out a mac properly. Anyway, if that was the case, I think I would hang on until I am due for a new laptop and make the jump then.

It sounds weird to say it, but despite this laptop costing near enough the same as a mac, the experience and feedback I get from it doesn't actually field that premium really. It's fast sure, but with a measly 2 hour battery life, it's more like a portable desktop than an actual laptop if you gather my meaning.

I'm just looking for something new, reliable and refreshing. I want to use it and think, yeah this was actually worth the money I paid.
 
Aha, love the end bit Applefan.

Sirxavier, thank you for pointing out the negatives. Out of curiosity, what version of the macbook did you have? Would it be 2008?

Hey, my MBP is a 2007 Santa Rosa Core2Duo pre Unibody lol. I have to point out though that some of the santa rosas came with a defective mother board and made the machine a bit unstable(and my machine was apparently one of them) and it cost 1000$ to replace, however apple was aware of the issue and had a replacement program and replaced it for free even after apple care had expired, and in another country from where I bought the machine, too! I was impressed by that. :O I have to say though that the positives far outweigh the small negatives for me. ^^
 
Dannehkins: As you said, the laptop may not do much different, but at least part of that money you're paying is the overall better experience you should have.

As others have said, don't think of it as "it's a computer that can do the same stuff as a PC can do" - think of the benefits you may see. Much less threat from malware, greater security, more durable shell (if you're buying an aluminum MBP), OS X manages memory better, and apps don't generally need as much memory as Windows programs, i.e. faster processing.

I don't think I said this in my post, but I do think Windows 7 is a very worthy upgrade to XP (let's try to forget Vista), but as good as it is, you do still need to keep up with it if you want it to perform well in the long term. One wonderful thing I found about OS X is that it does all the housecleaning in the background without you really needing to do anything. Even defragmenting the hard drive is vital on Windows, but is just part and parcel of what OS X does silently in the background to keep your machine running well day after day. After owning my machine for 3 years, I've still never truly run any kind of utility software to "tune up" the machine.
 
Well, if you're honestly wanting to hear what made someone switch or what made them like their Mac after they did, I've got a fair bit I can share - I hope you don't mind a (really) long post...
B

One of the best posts I ever read. Loved the bit about the USB mouse. Well done
 
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Just to let you know, I have been mighty darn impressed by some of the replies here. It's amazing how just snippets of information and experiences from other users help.

It's kinda weird, because usually I would be approaching a problem like this with some knowledge about what I am looking to buy, but it's interesting to find myself in a position where I really don't know anything about the Mac operating system other than it runs on Mac and I hear so many good things about it. So again, I greatly appreciate all your experiences - I've been checking up every day and having a read of all your posts no matter how big or small.

I'm definitely seeing some reoccurring patterns in what you're saying and what's even more good to see is the acknowledgement that Windows 7 is actually good; basically, I have had my fair share of 'apple fanboy' comments - hate that phrase - but it's great to read some of your posts and stories.

Sine-nomine I made it to the end to your post! It made for an interesting read and amusing in places, especially with the mouse problem. I've had the same encounter and sometimes I just want to scream.

Thank you to all who are pointing out to consider the programs I use. I'll be keeping a close eye on what I use, but I am fairly confident from what I've seen that the programs I use should be available on Mac.

bf2008, thanks for that list. At least I know that if Mac isn't for me, I'll still have time to reconsider.

r0k, I've heard the same about Excel; how it has some more advanced features in some areas. I'm a chemistry student so I tend to deal with a lot of graphs - scatter graphs mainly.

So it would be silly for me not to ask, how does iWorks shape up to Office? My main uses are presentations, word processing and of course graphs. Does iWorks offer a good range of tools and options?


iWork is a nice toy for hobby users. It's not a competition for Microsoft Office at all, and looking at the current pace at which Apple is working on iWork, it'll take them another twenty years to reach the level of maturity and feature completeness that Microsoft Office has today.

Let's use Steve Jobs's own words for it: "If people don't use your stuff even if you give it away for free, then you're in trouble." There's a completely free OpenOffice out there, but people are still using Microsoft Office instead. I wonder why that might be.

That being said, if you're so deep into spreadsheets, you should probably stay on Windows and use the real thing instead.

Anyway. Gotta go.
 
Just to let you know, I have been mighty darn impressed by some of the replies here. It's amazing how just snippets of information and experiences from other users help.

It's kinda weird, because usually I would be approaching a problem like this with some knowledge about what I am looking to buy, but it's interesting to find myself in a position where I really don't know anything about the Mac operating system other than it runs on Mac and I hear so many good things about it. So again, I greatly appreciate all your experiences - I've been checking up every day and having a read of all your posts no matter how big or small.

I'm definitely seeing some reoccurring patterns in what you're saying and what's even more good to see is the acknowledgement that Windows 7 is actually good; basically, I have had my fair share of 'apple fanboy' comments - hate that phrase - but it's great to read some of your posts and stories.

Sine-nomine I made it to the end to your post! It made for an interesting read and amusing in places, especially with the mouse problem. I've had the same encounter and sometimes I just want to scream.

Thank you to all who are pointing out to consider the programs I use. I'll be keeping a close eye on what I use, but I am fairly confident from what I've seen that the programs I use should be available on Mac.

bf2008, thanks for that list. At least I know that if Mac isn't for me, I'll still have time to reconsider.

r0k, I've heard the same about Excel; how it has some more advanced features in some areas. I'm a chemistry student so I tend to deal with a lot of graphs - scatter graphs mainly.

So it would be silly for me not to ask, how does iWorks shape up to Office? My main uses are presentations, word processing and of course graphs. Does iWorks offer a good range of tools and options?
iWork is a nice toy for hobby users. It's not a competition for Microsoft Office at all, and looking at the current pace at which Apple is working on iWork, it'll take them another twenty years to reach the level of maturity and feature completeness that Microsoft Office has today.

Let's use Steve Jobs's own words for it: "If people don't use your stuff even if you give it away for free, then you're in trouble." There's a completely free OpenOffice out there, but people are still using Microsoft Office instead. I wonder why that might be.

That being said, if you're so deep into spreadsheets, you should probably stay on Windows and use the real thing instead.

Anyway. Gotta go.

No. You don't have to look any further than the title of this thread to figure out why your answer is inappropriate or at least less than helpful. There are a handful of ways iWork is not as capable as Office but it is definitely not a toy.

I made it through post graduate engineering classes with nothing but iWork and OpenOffice.Org. I did fine. The only frustration was when the profs created something in Office format that I couldn't easily view in OOO and I had to open it in iWork to see all the contents. I would say the main benefit of MS Office is the ability to share documents with other MS Office users.

Another benefit is the ability to do a limited number of things that aren't fully supported in iWork or OOO. For example, in excel, it is quite easy to filter a column for multiple criteria. Another example is the ability to embed one file inside another file as an icon. Lastly there is mathtype which is a separate thing on OS X but is included in Office.

As for staying on windows for some sort of "real thing?" Are you kidding me? If you want to use the "real" MS Office, you can get Office 2011 for Mac. The ability to use "the real" MS Office is not a good reason to put up with the quirks and foibles of Windows. In fact, as has already been pointed out in this very thread the "real thing" was first developed for Mac OS and later ported to Windows. Perhaps one could argue that Office 2008 wasn't "real" because MS opted to leave out VB scripting but that is no longer an issue with Office 2011.

My preference is not to use MS Office at all on my Mac but if I had to use MS Office at home, I would try Crossover, or I would pick up Office 2011 before I would deal with Win 7 for home use (even under Parallels).

When I think of comparing features of Office, OOO, and iWork, I tend to focus on Word and Excel vs Pages and Numbers vs Text and Calc but for presentations I think you'll find more advanced features in Keynote than in Powerpoint. As for scatter graphs, they should be supported in all three: Numbers, OOO and Excel. One thing that hasn't been pointed out here is ease of use and consistency across the user interface. For instance, why is it that in word, view->final showing markup is under the review tab but not under the view tab? Some find the inspector to be an annoyance. I find it to be a much better way of handling details like font face, paragraph style , etc than constantly swapping ribbons in the MS environment. Again, these are the things that work well for me. YMMV.
 
I was too lazy to go through all this information, I may be reposting what someone has already said.

I use a Macbook air running Win7 x86 and Snow Leopard, and have a 2008(7?) Mac Mini, and a 2007 Macbook pro. I find that macs simply LAST longer than any pre-built PC you could ever buy. The thing most people complain about in a Mac is the price: I consider Alienware and Maingear the two best manufacturers of PC's and their prices are significantly higher than "mainstream" PC manufacturers like Dell, Hp, etc. These higher-priced comps last significantly longer than other PC's, and, Maingear computers last longer than everything - but not longer than a mac.

Macs simply WORK. They don't have much on specs (The newest iMacs are using 1GB DDR5 Radeon 5770M's, which are mediocre cards. Why'd they use a mobile card in a desktop, anyway? The newest Macbook Pro's use a similar card, and the best processor you could get is less than 2.5 GHz.) You could get an alienware m17x for less, and get a 2GB or dual 1GB cards and a processor up to 3.7 GHz.

If you don't mind regular maintenance, PC's are the way to go, if you want something that will never fail, go Mac.
 
I was too lazy to go through all this information, I may be reposting what someone has already said.

I use a Macbook air running Win7 x86 and Snow Leopard, and have a 2008(7?) Mac Mini, and a 2007 Macbook pro. I find that macs simply LAST longer than any pre-built PC you could ever buy. The thing most people complain about in a Mac is the price: I consider Alienware and Maingear the two best manufacturers of PC's and their prices are significantly higher than "mainstream" PC manufacturers like Dell, Hp, etc. These higher-priced comps last significantly longer than other PC's, and, Maingear computers last longer than everything - but not longer than a mac.

Macs simply WORK. They don't have much on specs (The newest iMacs are using 1GB DDR5 Radeon 5770M's, which are mediocre cards. Why'd they use a mobile card in a desktop, anyway? The newest Macbook Pro's use a similar card, and the best processor you could get is less than 2.5 GHz.) You could get an alienware m17x for less, and get a 2GB or dual 1GB cards and a processor up to 3.7 GHz.

If you don't mind regular maintenance, PC's are the way to go, if you want something that will never fail, go Mac.

+1 ... With the caveat that *any* computer can fail. It's still technology, after all. It seems that Apple holds back a bit on specs to build a product out of better materials which should generally hold up better than the plastic that most PCs use.

As an aside, I think if PC manufacturers actually made their computers out of similar materials (high grade aluminum, even on their laptops), and if they weren't being subsidized by companies putting crappy stickers and all kinds of useless trialware on computers, the average price of a PC would be MUCH closer to that of a Mac...
 
It's like suddenly dating a sane person

After 6 months with my iMac I looked back on my decades with Windows and thought, "I can't believe I used to put up with all that BS. I guess I thought it was normal."

I find that with the Mac I spend my time actually doing what I want to do, NOT optimizing, cleaning, installing, rebooting, defragging, customizing, troubleshooting, etc. It's nice.
 
IMO the best designed apps are created for the Mac, there are great Windows apps too, but if you truly want clean intuitive apps OS X is for you.
 
Macs look nicer in hardware and software. They just work as advertised. They are much more stable imo.
 
Well just thought you should know that...

I'm now apart of the Mac family!!!

Got myself a 15" Macbook Pro over the weekend and I'm truly enjoying it. The most amusing thing about it though was trying to figure out how to completely close programs and copy and paste. Got all that in hand now, but it made me laugh nevertheless.

So in closing, thank you all for your advice. It was advice well given!
 
I just thought I'd also add, the speakers on this thing are quite something.
 
I just thought I'd also add, the speakers on this thing are quite something.

Yeah, to this day it's still awkward how you close programs after coming from Windows. I keep having to tell my family to either Safari->Quit Safari or Command+Q. It seems like an extra step, but it's actually better since if you want to close a window but not the program, you can do it.
 
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