Why so much hate for the new iMac?

[MACza]

I'll be skipping the 2012 iMac.

I have the previous 2011 21.5" entry level model. Upgraded to 12GB RAM myself. Great machine and happy with it - except for the tiny 500GB HDD - which I was aware of and willing to live with.

My plan was to sell it when the new 2012 iMac gets released, hoping that there will be a larger HDD - which there now is. BUT it is only a 5400rpm drive - aaaarrgghhh!!

AND I lose the ODD with the new model - yes, which I still use now and again.

So now I have to pay for an additional external ODD somewhere down the line, and I expect the new model to be more expensive than the old model was in my country.

So for me to go with the 2012 entry 21.5" will just be a lose-lose situation, in terms of actual performance (slow HDD being the bottleneck) as well as in how much it will actually cost me.

I will skip this gen and see what next year has to offer. By then I could probably live without the ODD and hopefully Apple by then came to their senses with either a large 7200rpm drive or full SSD. Or maybe my financial situation will allow me to get the 27-incher.

Tsk Apple - you killed the entry level 2012 21.5" iMac.

 

[majkom]

It's kinda funny to see now that the iMac is out.. Most of what is left in these threads are the ranters, trollers and moaners that never gets happy. What's different this time around with the iMac??? What exactly did you expect? A sudden transformation to a bulky cheap desktop with loads of weird stuff in it? The machine is exactly what people had hoped for earlier. USB3, better gpu and better CPU, new thinner design and breakthrough screen technology and ssd. And since its apple, as always, it doesn't come cheap. BIG SURPRISE!!! If you didn't wait for this then you have really wasted your time. This is what everyone has been talking about and it's pretty much everything that's been on most people's wanted list. So I say with this, time for me as well to disappear. Looking all these threads now is just a waste of time. The new iMac is finally revealed, it was much more than I thought it would be. All that is left here are nagging brats that always have to complain about everything. Cya in 3 years or so, when I'm waiting for another iMac an need someone to share the pain with

Ignorance - that is word for you .. several people here wrote you what do they dislike about new imac - slow old tech HDDs, user upgradability, lack os SSD (fusion, as it is is fine, but still, it is solution good for apple, not for customers) - despite being AOI, still, this is desktop computer... so please, stop bitching about moaners and trollers...

 

[majkom]

I'll be skipping the 2012 iMac.

I have the previous 2011 21.5" entry level model. Upgraded to 12GB RAM myself. Great machine and happy with it - except for the tiny 500GB HDD - which I was aware of and willing to live with.

My plan was to sell it when the new 2012 iMac gets released, hoping that there will be a larger HDD - which there now is. BUT it is only a 5400rpm drive - aaaarrgghhh!!

AND I lose the ODD with the new model - yes, which I still use now and again.

So now I have to pay for an additional external ODD somewhere down the line, and I expect the new model to be more expensive than the old model was in my country.

So for me to go with the 2012 entry 21.5" will just be a lose-lose situation, in terms of actual performance (slow HDD being the bottleneck) as well as in how much it will actually cost me.

I will skip this gen and see what next year has to offer. By then I could probably live without the ODD and hopefully Apple by then came to their senses with either a large 7200rpm drive or full SSD. Or maybe my financial situation will allow me to get the 27-incher.

Tsk Apple - you killed the entry level 2012 21.5" iMac.

very simillar situtaion here, i have 2011 entry model and only problem i have is lack of ssd - i was hoping for SSD as default in 2012 (all cheap mb air got it, all retina mb pro got it) - surprise surprise, apple downgraded HDD in new entry imacs - I wrote it in different thread here, you wrote it here - apple has effectively killed entry imac

 

[adildacoolset]

The Mac Mini isn't a gaming machine, the iMac isn't a gaming machine, then what Mac actually IS a gaming machine?

The 27" can be used as a gaming machine. The GTX 680MX is a beast. Apple don't make gaming computers. People don't realize this and then complain that its all apple's fault and that they are doomed

 

[Solomani]

And the lack of cd drive is a disadvantage– for the minority. Seriously, for most people, CDs are used very unoften. So a cheap external one can do it when needed.

I disagree that the optical drive is used 'very unoften' by a minority. Do you or anyone have proof or research study that says the "majority" of Mac/PC users no longer use their optical CD/DVD drives?

People must remember that the so-called "Cloud" is still in its infancy. A little over a year ago, even Apple was reluctant to use the word "cloud", right before it decided to jump into the "cloudy bandwagon", then releasing iCloud only in Summer 2011.

Hence, my point is the "Cloud" is still a fledgeling technology, not a proven medium of storage in terms of accessability, reliability, redundancy, or ubiquity in the same way that CDs and DVD-R/DVD-RAM have proven themselves for many years. At the very least, Apple should have waited another 1 or 2 years before it phased out the built-in optical drive from its iMacs.

NOW.... before someone retorts that we can always buy an external optical drive (Apple sells a nice USB one, I understand)..... PFFFT, because you just failed to comprehend the meaning of an "all-in-one" machine.

 

[Mike in Kansas]

I disagree that the optical drive is used 'very unoften' by a minority. Do you or anyone have proof or research study that says the "majority" of Mac/PC users no longer use their optical CD/DVD drives?

People must remember that the so-called "Cloud" is still in its infancy. A little over a year ago, even Apple was reluctant to use the word "cloud", right before it decided to jump into the "cloudy bandwagon", then releasing iCloud only in Summer 2011.

Hence, my point is the "Cloud" is still a fledgeling technology, not a proven medium of storage in terms of accessability, reliability, redundancy, or ubiquity in the same way that CDs and DVD-R/DVD-RAM have proven themselves for many years. At the very least, Apple should have waited another 1 or 2 years before it phased out the built-in optical drive from its iMacs.

NOW.... before someone retorts that we can always buy an external optical drive (Apple sells a nice USB one, I understand)..... PFFFT, because you just failed to comprehend the meaning of an "all-in-one" machine.

I guess one proof point would be all those people buying MacBook Airs...

 

[gnasher729]

Why bother explaining basic economics to school kids?

If people could not understand the basics of a free market by living in one in the first place, then I think you're wasting your time explaining it.

Pet hates:

1. People complaining about UK prices - forgetting that UK prices include 20% tax while US prices are quoted without tax, and forgetting that consumer laws cost money as well.

2. People making strong complaints about totally opposite things. Half are complaining that Apple still ships computers with optical disk drives, the other half complaining when Apple stops shipping with optical disk drive. Half are complaining that Apple should replace spinning disk drives with SSD, no matter the cost, the other half complaining about the price of SSD.

3. People demanding things from Apple that nobody else would do. "Underpowered, overpriced 13" MBP" vs. cheapest Dell quad core laptop is more expensive. "I'll sue Apple for upgrading the iPad 3" (seriously! Someone claimed they were doing to do that!) vs "Nexus 7 will have twice the RAM for same price, that's great!" People wanting Apple to take iPad 3s back, when any other manufacturer wouldn't even laugh, they wouldn't even get what you are talking about, if you asked them to take something back because they are now making something better.

4. Mindless idiotic repeating of mindless idiotic quotes. "Disposable" rBMP. Anyone calling any Mac "disposable" should be slapped in the face.

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The Mac Mini isn't a gaming machine, the iMac isn't a gaming machine, then what Mac actually IS a gaming machine?

If you are looking for a "gaming" machine: iPod Touch. Wii. PS3.

 

[theSeb]

I disagree that the optical drive is used 'very unoften' by a minority. Do you or anyone have proof or research study that says the "majority" of Mac/PC users no longer use their optical CD/DVD drives?

You'll find the 2011 figures for sales of music in this report:

http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_resources/dmr2012.html

http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/DMR2012.pdf

Global revenues to record companies grew by an estimated 8 per cent to US$5.2 billion in 2011 - a faster rate than 2010 - with strong consumer demand for both single track downloads (up 11 per cent by volume), digital albums (up 24 per cent by volume) and fast-expanding subscription services. The number of users paying to subscribe to a music service leapt by 65 per cent in 2011 to 13.4 million worldwide, according to IFPI estimates.

In the US, the world's largest music market, digital channels have overtaken physical formats to become the primary source of revenues for record companies. Globally, 32 per cent of music industry revenues come from digital sources, far surpassing the film, newspaper and book sectors. New services launched across Latin America, while in China record companies are working in a landmark partnership with the largest internet company Baidu.

IFPI's Digital Music Report 2012 is published today, providing a comprehensive overview and analysis of the global digital music business at the start of 2012.

Bear in mind that in USA and Western Europe these figures are far more in favour of digital media when compared to the rest of the world. So for the US it is a minority that uses optical media. In the rest of the world it's still around two thirds, but that is changing rapidly. The report that will be published at the beginning of 2013, which will include 2012 figures, should show us some interesting changes.

 

[majkom]

Pet hates:

1. People complaining about UK prices - forgetting that UK prices include 20% tax while US prices are quoted without tax, and forgetting that consumer laws cost money as well.

2. People making strong complaints about totally opposite things. Half are complaining that Apple still ships computers with optical disk drives, the other half complaining when Apple stops shipping with optical disk drive. Half are complaining that Apple should replace spinning disk drives with SSD, no matter the cost, the other half complaining about the price of SSD.

3. People demanding things from Apple that nobody else would do. "Underpowered, overpriced 13" MBP" vs. cheapest Dell quad core laptop is more expensive. "I'll sue Apple for upgrading the iPad 3" (seriously! Someone claimed they were doing to do that!) vs "Nexus 7 will have twice the RAM for same price, that's great!" People wanting Apple to take iPad 3s back, when any other manufacturer wouldn't even laugh, they wouldn't even get what you are talking about, if you asked them to take something back because they are now making something better.

4. Mindless idiotic repeating of mindless idiotic quotes. "Disposable" rBMP. Anyone calling any Mac "disposable" should be slapped in the face.

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If you are looking for a "gaming" machine: iPod Touch. Wii. PS3.

make your math...
EU price for entry imac - 1800 usd, without tax it is 1500 USD - 200 USD difference
EU price for most expensive imac - 2790 USD, without tax it is 2320 USD - 320 USD difference

that is too much for what you call "consumer law expenses"

 

[theSeb]

Pet hates:

1. People complaining about UK prices - forgetting that UK prices include 20% tax while US prices are quoted without tax, and forgetting that consumer laws cost money as well.

2. People making strong complaints about totally opposite things. Half are complaining that Apple still ships computers with optical disk drives, the other half complaining when Apple stops shipping with optical disk drive. Half are complaining that Apple should replace spinning disk drives with SSD, no matter the cost, the other half complaining about the price of SSD.

3. People demanding things from Apple that nobody else would do. "Underpowered, overpriced 13" MBP" vs. cheapest Dell quad core laptop is more expensive. "I'll sue Apple for upgrading the iPad 3" (seriously! Someone claimed they were doing to do that!) vs "Nexus 7 will have twice the RAM for same price, that's great!" People wanting Apple to take iPad 3s back, when any other manufacturer wouldn't even laugh, they wouldn't even get what you are talking about, if you asked them to take something back because they are now making something better.

4. Mindless idiotic repeating of mindless idiotic quotes. "Disposable" rBMP. Anyone calling any Mac "disposable" should be slapped in the face.

A good summary. I have to assume that these complaints come from users that are at a "certain age". Otherwise the world does not make any sense to me.

 

[Lancer]

I disagree that the optical drive is used 'very unoften' by a minority. Do you or anyone have proof or research study that says the "majority" of Mac/PC users no longer use their optical CD/DVD drives?

I use the DVD in my PC daily but mostly to rip DVDs I have recorded on my PVR. The Mac is a different story, that I use occasionally but I can live without it. I was planning to try ripping DVDs with my new iMac so will have to get a DVD drive at some point. I'm pretty sure ripping DVDs over a shared G5 drive on the network will be slow.

 

[iSayuSay]

Why do you say you're getting less? Compared to last years

i5-3470 - faster
GTX 675MX - faster
1 GB GDDR5 VRAM - same
1 TB 7200 RPM - same
Standard RAM - 8 GB 1600 MHz - MORE and faster

Where does the "less" come in? The removal of the unnecessary optical drive? The worst part is that some people will actually believe you and continue with the dramatical lamenting all over this forum. It's getting old and tiresome.

Compared to what you get $2000 you paid IN 2011 for 2011 iMac, you get less. At the time $2000 get you i5 2500 3.1GHz, AND Radeon 6970M 1 GB, which for 99% task just as fast as 6970M 2GB in BTO upgrade.

This year, $2000 get you 675MX instead, and if I want 680MX, I gotta pay more.
So yes, you get less for 2012 iMac.

 

[theSeb]

Compared to what you get $2000 you paid IN 2011 for 2011 iMac, you get less. At the time $2000 get you i5 2500 3.1GHz, AND Radeon 6970M 1 GB, which for 99% task just as fast as 6970M 2GB in BTO upgrade.

This year, $2000 get you 675MX instead, and if I want 680MX, I gotta pay more.
So yes, you get less for 2012 iMac.

The logic processing unit in your brain appears to be broken. YOU GET MORE than you got in 2011 for the same price.

Your complaint appears to be based on the fact that there is a now more expensive and even faster BTO option and mum won't give you the extra pocket money to be able to afford it. When Apple does not give us choice, then people complain. Now that Apple gives us a choice, then people still complain. This is exasperating!

The 675MX is faster than the 6970M. This is a stupid argument. You clearly get more in the 2012 27" iMac. I am sorry that you cannot understand this.

 

[JayJayAbels]

Hey anyone here have a link for me to use to compare a 2012 27" maxed out iMac to a current competitors All In One desktop?

I appreciate it. Thanx!

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make your math...
EU price for entry imac - 1800 usd, without tax it is 1500 USD - 200 USD difference
EU price for most expensive imac - 2790 USD, without tax it is 2320 USD - 320 USD difference

that is too much for what you call "consumer law expenses"

Self pwned.

Isn't that what the kids call it these days? lol

 

[Tezzainoz]

If the Imac is so great, why not allow compertiion

Apple boast how great their IMac is
Years ahead of the other companies

So why if Apple is so far ahead do they not allow other companies to built computers capable of running Apple System softer under licence

Does it have something to do with they understand some people want the ability to buy something different

and to allow this would eat into Apple sales

History has already shown us Apple is not allowing us free chice

Take it or leave it is there policy

 

[theSeb]

Hey anyone here have a link for me to use to compare a 2012 27" maxed out iMac to a current competitors All In One desktop?

I appreciate it. Thanx!

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Self pwned.

Isn't that what the kids call it these days? lol

Import duties, consumer laws etc add to the cost of doing business. Doing a simple calculation and then complaining is silly.

* I pay more for cars in the UK than in the US for cars made in Europe.
* I pay more for nearly ALL electronics in the UK than people pay in the US, regardless of where they are made.
* I pay more for video games, music and movies in the UK than people pay in the US.
* I pay more for fuel in the UK than people pay in the US.
* I pay more for an equivalent property in the UK
* I pay more for a beer in the UK

Do I need to continue? Or are all of you starting to get the point?

So, let's take your crusade to all of these other companies and stop with "OMG, Apple is greedy, what a rip-off compared to the US" etc. nonsense.

 

[7709876]

You get a thinner, lighter more sexy machine for almost the same price +-

Also, a cpu upgrade and a huge gpu upgrade from previous models.

Sign me up.

People will never be satisfied and its stupid.

I don't think many people looked at the 2011 iMac and said "I wish it was thinner and lighter"

 

[iSayuSay]

The logic processing unit in your brain appears to be broken. YOU GET MORE than you got in 2011 for the same price.

Your complaint appears to be based on the fact that there is a now more expensive and even faster BTO option and mum won't give you the extra pocket money to be able to afford it. When Apple does not give us choice, then people complain. Now that Apple gives us a choice, then people still complain. This is exasperating!

The 675MX is faster than the 6950M. This is a stupid argument. You clearly get more in the 2012 27" iMac. I am sorry that you cannot understand this.

Yes, clearly GTX675MX is noticeably faster than 6970M in 2011 iMac. My point is..

$2000 iMac in 2011 gets you Radeon 6970M 1GB GDDR5
2011 iMac BTO upgrade gets you max Radeon 6970M 2GB GDDR5 which barely faster. So for $2000 you get the same best GPU available back then. Only with half the RAM (which means almost nothing for GPU since 1GB is quite plenty).

$2000 iMac in 2012 gets you GTX675MX
2012 iMac BTO upgrade allow you to maxed out to GTX680MX. So for $2000 you get a totally half baked and totally cripped machine and graphic, to get the best things you gotta pay more .. more .. more.

That's my logic.

 

[theSeb]

Yes, clearly GTX675MX is noticeably faster than 6970M in 2011 iMac. My point is..

$2000 iMac in 2011 gets you Radeon 6970M 1GB GDDR5
2011 iMac BTO upgrade gets you max Radeon 6970M 2GB GDDR5 which barely faster. So for $2000 you get the same best GPU available back then. Only with half the RAM (which means almost nothing for GPU since 1GB is quite plenty).

$2000 iMac in 2012 gets you GTX675MX
2012 iMac BTO upgrade allow you to maxed out to GTX680MX. So for $2000 you get a totally half baked and totally cripped machine and graphic, to get the best things you gotta pay more .. more .. more.

That's my logic.

I am sorry, but WHAT? Seriously?

The 675MX does not make it a half baked and totally crippled machine. This must be one the stupidest arguments I've yet had on this site and that is quite an achievement. I've seen your other posts and you've come across as a sensible person with a modicum of intelligence in the past. Clearly my impression was wrong.

 

[iSayuSay]

I am sorry, but WHAT? Seriously?

The 675MX does not make it a half baked and totally crippled machine. This must be one the stupidest arguments I've yet had on this site and that is quite an achievement. I've seen your other posts and you've come across as a sensible person with a modicum of intelligence in the past. Clearly my impression was wrong.

Well so you don't think it'd be better if $2000 iMac also get GTX680MX? Include it 2GB GDDR5 as standard? and make GTX680MX with 3 or 4GB as BTO upgrade? That's one point to say the least that Apple is squeezing more and more of its customer.

And one more thing sir, low end 21.5" iMac gets you GTX640M? oh no it's even slower than current 15" c/rMBP .. It's a desktop for f sake. Same iMac in 2011 gets you Radeon 6750M, which just the same with early 2011 15" MBP.

I think that's always been the point of an iMac or desktop in general? You get more with the same or even less $$. Sacrificing the mobility for performance.

iMac used to be out spec MBP in every aspect sans mobility, that's what I love about it. Clearly you should see what Apple starts doing now with their desktop lines.

 

[Arran]

Is it just me or do I see a big hump in the back where the stand meets the back of the computer? The edges are thing but the machine isn't thin cos it bulges which makes its real thickness not thin. The glass part is really thin but overall how can people say the computer is thin? It is a mini pyramid on it's side, like those old TV's when my grandma was growing up.

I agree. Unlike the original ipad, the iphone 3g and other recent Apple products, the pregnant 'bump' on the back is so pronounced it's ugly. It's way too obvious and gives away the game that the imac's perceived thinness is down to an optical trick (you must look at it from the 'right' angle). They overplayed it this time. By needlessly drawing attention to the trickery, they've brought into question the integrity, honesty and competence of the Apple brand itself.

You see, thinness serves no functional purpose here. I can understand it being desirable on mobile devices, but for a stationary device, not so much. To me, it feels like Apple's designers are needlessly burning creative energy that could be better applied elsewhere.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Why bother explaining basic economics to school kids?

If people could not understand the basics of a free market by living in one in the first place, then I think you're wasting your time explaining it.

Nor do they understand what a industrial base means to a nation.

 

[iSayuSay]

To say the least, I'm more interested of waiting for Apple Thunderbolt Display refresh nowadays. I'm pretty sure it's going to follow the iMac design.

Well it's purely a display (with some simple computing chips for also being a hub), being thinner does not necessarily limiting.
Hopefully it's refreshed with 3x (or even 4) USB 3.0 ports, audio in/out jack, and HDMI input. All for the same $999? Oh what a wet dream of a huge display.

That way I can plug in my gaming tower (or hopefully refreshed MacPro), Macbook Air into one display. One can dream, right

 

[Jord5i]

people who complain are always the loudest

I for one think it's a great desktop for the group Apple targets.

 

[majkom]

people who complain are always the loudest

I for one think it's a great desktop for the group Apple targets.

and that group are half retarded people who have no idea about hw? or what?