I did not see all the comments but why have you closed it? I see 9to5Mac is permitting comments on the same story. Nobody is forced to enter the PRSI zone so why close it?
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Why stopped allowing comments after 11 comments on Cook letter story.
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Based on the last thread, it was going to require too much moderation... so I decided to close it instead. There are plenty of places to discuss the situation. MacRumors simply isn't the best place to do so.
My only suggestion is to maybe explain why you closed the thread on the thread itself?
I don’t know that that’s a good idea though. But it just seems obvious to me as something to consider. Maybe you guys already have.
I don’t know that that’s a good idea though. But it just seems obvious to me as something to consider. Maybe you guys already have.
A CEO pens a positive letter saying "We Must Aim Far Higher Than a 'Normal' Future" and we can't even discuss it with civility. I cannot think of a better example of why we need these protests. We're so worried about offending racist people that this forum's leaders are literally afraid of them.
You guys should be ashamed.
Accusing people of racism when they’re not being racist has gotten way out of control. And it’s far more common than actual racist comments.
The people making all these false accusations make it a lot harder to talk to people about things that really are the product of racism. Because people are sick and tired of hearing false racist accusations so they just stop listening.
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This is really the important point as it applies to MacRumors. Much of the sniping, hyperbolic posts and generalizations are the polar opposite of a civil discussion, which is the end-game for the MacRumors user agreements and rules. If posters were at least civil and courteous, okay at least civil, it could have a big impact on the perception of the way PRSI is viewed by some.
The remainder of your post, which I didn't want to quote doesn't follow from this premise.
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Additionally, at times this seems to be a common style of argument, as I've tripped over it more than once.
- poster 1 makes a claim
- poster 2 dismisses that claim (without proof) and calls poster 1 an adjective
- poster 1 says please show me examples to backup your "name calling"
- poster 2 says google it, it's easy to find
- poster 1 says per rules post the source
- poster 2 says I told you it's easy to find, why am I doing all of the work for you
And all of this, seemed off-top to the thread topic and is annoying to read.
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This specific issue is mainstream, millions of people are out protesting in every state in the nation. It has even sparked protests/events worldwide and is still the top headline of every major news outlet, yet MR wants to relegate it to PRSI.
There's real dialogue going on here and most of it is looking for positive change, it would be nice to see this site recognize that, even if it causes a bit of extra overhead for the mod staff.
There's real dialogue going on here and most of it is looking for positive change, it would be nice to see this site recognize that, even if it causes a bit of extra overhead for the mod staff.
Those posts were removed by the mods and are no longer available to reference. The conversations went very close to I7guy's post where people involved in a conversation were called "racists" and "maga trolls" even though the poster of those insults offered nothing to the conversation and their claims were dismissed after review by multiple mods.
I just looked at the various forum titles. Where would you rather the mods relegate this topic to other than PRSI?
It was relegated to PRSI for for zero purpose as comments were not allowed after the first 11. Kind of pointless to even post the "story" if readers cannot comment. I understand that those who run MacRumors want to keep it a relatively "safe" and civic environment but perhaps that begs the question, why bother having a PRSI section? If the topics in that section can sometimes lead to insults, inflammatory language and MacRumors feels it is too labour intensive to moderate such input, there are three obvious choices: 1. Don't bother posting stories that are very likely to lead to comments requiring heavy moderation 2. Let all comments go with no moderation. Those who enter PRSI know that it may get rough and if they can't handle it, stay out. 3. Drop the PRSI section. Most threads have little relation to Mac issues anyway.
The fourth choice: keep the PRSI section. Moderate as needed and be transparent about the way the moderation is handled.
BTW, insults, pseudo-insults, wannabe-insults are not limited to PRSI, they occur in many forums I visit such as iphone, ios and even the main news thread.
I agree. Things are not getting better in society. If moderation is what the site wishes to do then do it. If it is important don't say this time it looked like it would be too labour intensive so we decided to disallow comments to lighten our workload. They can't have it both ways.
If I recall correctly, on a few occasions I have seen the site state in defending (when people have complained) why they don't crack down all poster's comments which maybe should be deleted, that the moderators are volunteers and should be shown some slack. Well, that is interesting as they are implying they are a non-profit amateur operation and as the majority of users don't pay to use the site they should accept what they get. They have to tread a fine line because they know if they started to charge a monthly fee, the users would vanish and use other sites. However, the senior staff earn a decent wage or why would they be here. They can't all be trust fund babies doing this as a hobby.
I realise the running of a site in 2020 is not easy but nobody is forcing them to do so. For the most part it is well run and provides interesting info. But please MR, don't insult our intelligence with a big story about Apple Pay and a one dollar BK sandwich.
And if moderation is what you wish to do, then pony up the resources to do it on all stories you feature. If not willing or able to do so on the comment section of certain stories, don't run the story.
As far as I know, no. I saw the story soon after it appeared and looked at comments and there were a couple, then there were 11 and then comments were closed but in the story it still said that it was in PRSI and those with 100+ posts could comment. Then did not update both things at once and then there was no reason given why the commenting ability was shut off. Not well done. I only learned why when arn replied promptly to my query. If things must be done fine. Be honest, upfront and COMMUNICATE in the same spot which had been telling people how and where to comment.
Let's be transparent please. That was the site owner's response to my question as to why comments had been closed. I appreciated the quick response but there was absolutely nothing posted to the bottom of the article. One moment it was telling people to go to PRSI to comment and then...poof..nothing. This is what we are getting at. No information in the original spot.
I thought it was pretty clear I was answering ericgtr12's question if their had been an official statement.
Is a response to a question from one user posted in the Site and Forum Feedback section considered to be an "official statement"? I think not. Why not be upfront and post something at the bottom of the main article to explain why commenting which was once open (as is the norm) was suddenly shut down? Very few people look in the Site and Forum Feedback section. What was the reason for not posting an explanation at the bottom of the article?
Sorry for the confusion. I meant to ask if MR has made any sort of official statement around the murder of George Floyd.
We'll make it clearer in the future when a thread is closed. That was my bad.
I can't disagree with some of what you say. However:
- That particular story sounded like it would be a hot mess. MR doesn't seem to want that type of posting. As a private site it may have been better to shut-down the comments. Saying something requires "too much moderation" to me is a euphemism for people not debating civilly and the amount of effort used to keep the thread civil.
- Site has a large number of users, threads and posts. No way mods can peruse everything.
- This is a rumors site...as such the site reports all things surround Apple; it's products, services, competitors and products. Even inconsequential stories like BK and Apple Pay.
- Even if MR paid those who are responsible for "keeping the peace", there is still the issue of the vastness of the site vs the amount of resources needed in managing the environment.
I can't defend everything that MacRumors does, but there are two sides to everything. And if anything, anybody reading this forum (S&FF) sees the site owner is more than willing to make changes to the website based on suggestions from a single individual. And the staff is open to listening to the feedback from the site users.
The old saying is very apt here: "You can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time".
Very true. We all get a little heated at times and stepping back and taking a deep breath and going for a walk is wise. Life is short and valuable time should be spent on a variety of issues and events. Enjoy your weekend.
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