What fragmentation? Apps submitted for iPhone are currently required to have retina elements and iPhone 5 resolution since May. Do still think there are developers who only update their apps for the old iPhone resolution? No. They are requested to have the above by Apple or they will be taken out of the store. In the case of iPad, apps either contain retina elements or they don't...how long before Apple requests that they must have retina too? So there will really only be 2 resolutions to program for. Adding another resolution will not really cause any fragmentation, at least no more than when developers had to include 320 x 480, 640 x 960, 1136 x 640, 1024 x 768 and 2048 x 1536. I guess Apple want only 1136 x 640 and 2048 x 1536 (if they update the Mini to retina) by next year, so a new larger iPhone display will not be too much hassle if devs can drop older model resolutions....i think
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Why the iPhone 5S will have a larger screen
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What fragmentation? Apps submitted for iPhone are currently required to have retina elements and iPhone 5 resolution since May. Do still think there are developers who only update their apps for the old iPhone resolution? No. They are requested to have the above by Apple or they will be taken out of the store. In the case of iPad, apps either contain retina elements or they don't...how long before Apple requests that they must have retina too? So there will really only be 2 resolutions to program for. Adding another resolution will not really cause any fragmentation, at least no more than when developers had to include 320 x 480, 640 x 960, 1136 x 640, 1024 x 768 and 2048 x 1536. I guess Apple want only 1136 x 640 and 2048 x 1536 (if they update the Mini to retina) by next year, so a new larger iPhone display will not be too much hassle if devs can drop older model resolutions....i think
Btw, app developers make more from free apps on iOS than android revs make on android ios is more profitable.
As much as we'd all like a larger screen, the iphone 5S will NOT sport one. Apple will not abandon a new design in a year. We will see a newly designed iphone 6 next year.
Case closed. Thread now closed.
Case closed. Thread now closed.
I think the 5S will have the same 4 inch screen along with the design of the 5.
As for the iPhone 6 i think this will be the time where a larger screeen iPhone will come. But personaly i wouldnt like anything larger than 4.7 inch. 4.3 or, 4,5 preferably.
If i want a bigger screen, i just grab the iPad.
As for the iPhone 6 i think this will be the time where a larger screeen iPhone will come. But personaly i wouldnt like anything larger than 4.7 inch. 4.3 or, 4,5 preferably.
If i want a bigger screen, i just grab the iPad.
Next year my humbled predictions, Apple will release a 4.3 screen with same form factor, tell us that it can be operated easily with one hand, and be done with this for at least another two years. By that time the other manufactures will have enough of these supper wide smartphones, and begin to offer a smaller one like the iPhone and that is built with aluminum instead of plastic. Enough said....
I haven't gone through this thread's archives completely, so someone may have said this already. But I'm of the opinion that there really isn't an "I need a bigger screen or else I'm leaving Apple in the dust" mentality for the majority of iPhone users. (Of course, I could very well be wrong.) There's a good amount of them, and most of them are just really loud.
We all know, or at least I hope we do, that a product with a bigger screen doesn't necessarily equate to a more innovative product. Where the tech industry and Apple in particular have plenty of room to innovate is in how we interact with the UI system. You can see the seeds of this idea rooted into iOS 7's physics engine. In the very near future, I see interface systems morphing dramatically into an immersive, haptic feedback environment, where the conventional display gives way to an experience driven by physics. Until now, these types of things jut simply weren't possible on a mobile device.
The future is exciting. And it's right around the corner.
We all know, or at least I hope we do, that a product with a bigger screen doesn't necessarily equate to a more innovative product. Where the tech industry and Apple in particular have plenty of room to innovate is in how we interact with the UI system. You can see the seeds of this idea rooted into iOS 7's physics engine. In the very near future, I see interface systems morphing dramatically into an immersive, haptic feedback environment, where the conventional display gives way to an experience driven by physics. Until now, these types of things jut simply weren't possible on a mobile device.
The future is exciting. And it's right around the corner.
I think there are some pretty valid comments here. As a sprint customer I have not upgraded to Iphone yet. I have Itouch current model and ipad/ mac air etc. I am due for an upgrade and right now borderline on the S4. I like a removable battery and a larger screen. I may wait for the 9/10 release and see what they have. Right now Sprint has buy 1 Get 1 (on the S4) which expires shortly. For me a fingerprint feature isn't too exciting. I am not an Android junky even though I have an Android. Frankly since my carrier controls android updates, I have not had many to my phone, as I am on the older Android OS. I do feel IOS feels a little old right now, but it is pretty stable. I think people get way overboard with the android vs Ios disputes. I say buy the phone that fits your lifestyle and ecosystem. Those who have ipads, or macs usually fit well for IOS. I know so many people that just aren't techies. They want stuff to work with little complication. That is IOS. With that being said I think Apple could make some changes to let users tweak some things. I don't think that is what their goal is. I think in the long run Apple might have a flagship phone and several variations. there is something to be said for a large screen and some users like the idea of the smaller candy bar phone like women putting into a pocketbook.
Somebody I know just got the S4. One of the reasons she told me was that Android took over as there are more devices on it. I told her that IOS is limited to Apple and Android is on a million different phones, she said she never thought of that. As we all know the majority of top apps are IOS first then Android (generally)
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I did hear something today at the Apple store about a really great camera on the new Iphone. I think you make some good points.
Somebody I know just got the S4. One of the reasons she told me was that Android took over as there are more devices on it. I told her that IOS is limited to Apple and Android is on a million different phones, she said she never thought of that. As we all know the majority of top apps are IOS first then Android (generally)
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I did hear something today at the Apple store about a really great camera on the new Iphone. I think you make some good points.
I'll throw my hat into the ring on this discussion as to why I think Apple will introduce a slightly larger screen......
Keeping up with the competition. You have to give Apple serious credit for propelling the smartphone industry and "innovating" the process. Unfortunately, every other company is doing it now and Apple is not "unique" anymore.
Another thing that is not "unique" anymore is how Apple is not rolling out new product refreshes in a timely fashion across all of their product lines. They are seriously falling behind and their share holders have taken notice. While Jobs made major breakthroughs in his time and shareholders remained patient, there is nothing that earth shattering at this time and being "Apple" is not enough anymore. If they at least introduced a larger screen, they can remain in the competition with the very popular larger screen phones.
I also think the real reason for iOS7 is scalability across all screen sizes. Johnny knows we like new sleek interfaces but they also have to work with all of the devices. The release time of iOS7 and the new larger screen iphone is not a coincidence.
Lastly, Wah! Because I want a larger screen I left Apple for an S4 because of a larger screen. I prefer iOS but I prefer the larger screen more. When you really think about it and how we use phones now, we use Apps and the OS is secondary. FB, Twitter, Words, Instagram and the Web look much better on a bigger screen to me.
Keeping up with the competition. You have to give Apple serious credit for propelling the smartphone industry and "innovating" the process. Unfortunately, every other company is doing it now and Apple is not "unique" anymore.
Another thing that is not "unique" anymore is how Apple is not rolling out new product refreshes in a timely fashion across all of their product lines. They are seriously falling behind and their share holders have taken notice. While Jobs made major breakthroughs in his time and shareholders remained patient, there is nothing that earth shattering at this time and being "Apple" is not enough anymore. If they at least introduced a larger screen, they can remain in the competition with the very popular larger screen phones.
I also think the real reason for iOS7 is scalability across all screen sizes. Johnny knows we like new sleek interfaces but they also have to work with all of the devices. The release time of iOS7 and the new larger screen iphone is not a coincidence.
Lastly, Wah! Because I want a larger screen
I left Apple for an S4 because of a larger screen. I prefer iOS but I prefer the larger screen more. When you really think about it and how we use phones now, we use Apps and the OS is secondary. FB, Twitter, Words, Instagram and the Web look much better on a bigger screen to me.I'll throw my hat into the ring on this discussion as to why I think Apple will introduce a slightly larger screen......
Keeping up with the competition. You have to give Apple serious credit for propelling the smartphone industry and "innovating" the process. Unfortunately, every other company is doing it now and Apple is not "unique" anymore.
Another thing that is not "unique" anymore is how Apple is not rolling out new product refreshes in a timely fashion across all of their product lines. They are seriously falling behind and their share holders have taken notice. While Jobs made major breakthroughs in his time and shareholders remained patient, there is nothing that earth shattering at this time and being "Apple" is not enough anymore. If they at least introduced a larger screen, they can remain in the competition with the very popular larger screen phones.
I also think the real reason for iOS7 is scalability across all screen sizes. Johnny knows we like new sleek interfaces but they also have to work with all of the devices. The release time of iOS7 and the new larger screen iphone is not a coincidence.
Lastly, Wah! Because I want a larger screen
Welcome to the party! I completely agree with what you said. The screen size issue isn't even really an innovation thing anymore, it's just keeping up with competition. I also use a GS4 on the side and absolutely love the screen, its better than the iPhone 5 screen in every way. But, imho, iOS is still superior for now. Apple at least needs to give people a choice, if they don't they may loose more customers than they think.
I have purchased every iphone outright since the first one. I will not buy another iphone with the same screen size. In my opinion Apple should create a larger screen iphone no bigger than 4.7inches. I do also work in a corporate environment and the common thing that I hear from people when choosing their own smart phone is that they did not go with Apple because the screen is to small. When you look at an iphone next to an S3 or S4 which is a lot of time cheaper most would feel that they are getting a better deal with the larger screen. Most non-technical people don't care about anything other than being able to surf, check email and text ...
I have been thinking along similar lines...this is my theory (hope/dream) as to why there haven't been leaks about a larger iPhone screen:
- September 10th will be the introduction of the iPhone 5C which will be a slightly spec bumped iPhone5 at a lower price point
- Reveal of the new iPad and Retina Mini
- then the one more thing...will be the announcement of an all new thinner iPhone 6 to launch in December with a slightly larger screen. This delayed release will allow the carriers time to roll out LTE-A as well as get the announcement out before manufacturing hits and spawning leaks.
Just imagine what that would do to Apple Stock...and the competition. It would solidify Tim Cook as the innovator that the market is looking for. He would officially break from the "s" upgrade cycle and get the iPhone back into a no compromises position. The fact that there is a rumored "C" is a sign that Apple is already breaking with tradition in the naming of the phone. Also - we haven't seen any parts leak with the new finger print scanner home button. Why? I would argue that it is going to show up in an iPhone6 in December...not next month. I have a hard time believing they could have kept that out of the news for this long. Also - we haven't seen any official face plates/screens for the iPhone 5S.
This is what Apple and Tim Cook (and team) need to show they can survive without Jobs.
At this point I'm wondering if we'll see anything BUT the 5C. It's mighty late in the game and we have no 5S and/or iphone 6 parts leaks.
The only phone I can recall that didn't have at least some leaked parts photos posted prior to announcement was the iPhone 1...maybe the 3G?...someone else chime in here?
Regardless, it's been a long time since leaked parts photos, or photos of the entire assembled phone haven't leaked. In fact, each year, the leaks are more varied and detailed. This year, we have very convincing pics of a 5C and its packaging. Seems like a pretty solid bet that phone is coming.
But where's the 5S pics? No parts. No assembled phone. Nothing but conjecture.
Either Apple has totally locked down the next phone, (something they have been unable to do for at least the last 3 phones) or the 5C is all we're getting. I suppose the other option is that the 5S is physically identical in every way to the 5 and therefore not leak worthy.
The only phone I can recall that didn't have at least some leaked parts photos posted prior to announcement was the iPhone 1...maybe the 3G?...someone else chime in here?
Regardless, it's been a long time since leaked parts photos, or photos of the entire assembled phone haven't leaked. In fact, each year, the leaks are more varied and detailed. This year, we have very convincing pics of a 5C and its packaging. Seems like a pretty solid bet that phone is coming.
But where's the 5S pics? No parts. No assembled phone. Nothing but conjecture.
Either Apple has totally locked down the next phone, (something they have been unable to do for at least the last 3 phones) or the 5C is all we're getting. I suppose the other option is that the 5S is physically identical in every way to the 5 and therefore not leak worthy.
There is no evidence that Apple will Increase the display size of the iPhone from 4". Apple's CEO has stated that they have found the "perfect size display" for their phone. The 5S or 5C will both have 4" displays.
iPhone 5C specs
plastic body (possible color option)
4" 1136 x 640 @ 326 PPI retina display
Apple A6 With 1GB of RAM
8 MP Back, 1.5 MP front
iOS 7
1500 mAh battery
16GB, 32GB, 64GB Storage
Price $100 off regular pricing
iPhone 5S Specs
aluminum (multi-color?) body
4" 1136 x 640 @ 326 PPI retina display
Apple A7 (Quad-Core 1.6Ghz) with 1.5GB RAM
Quad-Core Graphics (AAA Game Demo)
Safire crystal home button (fingerprint sensor)
8MP Camera back (increased aperture & sunlight input), Dual Flash, HD 1.9 MP front, 60fps video recording, *slow motion video recording*
iOS 7
1500 mAh Lit Poly ion battery
16GB, 32GB, 64GB Storage Options
Price stays the same as all previous iPhones. ($199,$299,$399)
iPhone 5C specs
plastic body (possible color option)
4" 1136 x 640 @ 326 PPI retina display
Apple A6 With 1GB of RAM
8 MP Back, 1.5 MP front
iOS 7
1500 mAh battery
16GB, 32GB, 64GB Storage
Price $100 off regular pricing
iPhone 5S Specs
aluminum (multi-color?) body
4" 1136 x 640 @ 326 PPI retina display
Apple A7 (Quad-Core 1.6Ghz) with 1.5GB RAM
Quad-Core Graphics (AAA Game Demo)
Safire crystal home button (fingerprint sensor)
8MP Camera back (increased aperture & sunlight input), Dual Flash, HD 1.9 MP front, 60fps video recording, *slow motion video recording*
iOS 7
1500 mAh Lit Poly ion battery
16GB, 32GB, 64GB Storage Options
Price stays the same as all previous iPhones. ($199,$299,$399)
Ive had a few coworkers that moved to Android solely because of his reason. IMO if Apple doesn't offer display size choices in the future then they will begin to lose users.
I've seen a few articles today, including CNN, that state the new 5S will have a larger screen. I don't know if they are reporting from the same source, but perhaps they are just getting confused with next years rumored 3 size iPhone 6.
If true, this would be great for me. Screen size is the only thing holding me away from coming back to iPhone.
If true, this would be great for me. Screen size is the only thing holding me away from coming back to iPhone.
How about this.
Iphone 5c 3,5 inch 960x640.(3:2)
Iphone 5s 4 inch 1136x640(16:9)
Iphone 5SL 4,7-5,2 inch 1920x1280(3:2)
5SL would be impossible to operate with one hand, so they could make it wider, instead of making it taller.
No need to update apps, apps could run in iphone 4/s/5c mode x2 without black bars. In this way it will be easier to keep developping new apps for the iphone 4/s without adding further fragmentation.
Iphone 6: 4.15-4.3inch 2272x1280
Iphone 5c 3,5 inch 960x640.(3:2)
Iphone 5s 4 inch 1136x640(16:9)
Iphone 5SL 4,7-5,2 inch 1920x1280(3:2)
5SL would be impossible to operate with one hand, so they could make it wider, instead of making it taller.
No need to update apps, apps could run in iphone 4/s/5c mode x2 without black bars. In this way it will be easier to keep developping new apps for the iphone 4/s without adding further fragmentation.
Iphone 6: 4.15-4.3inch 2272x1280
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They have already lost many! They really have no choice but it is not going to happen with the 5S or 5C.
And we have heard from a number of android customers ditch their larger android phones and come to the iPhone 5 as well....Go figure
You're going to be mistaken. All of the leaked informations shows another 4" device.
Regardless of screen size, fingerprint sensor, or anything else, I just do NOT see Apple having three phones: 5, 5C, and 5S. Two key things that lead me to that:
1) Yes, to us MacRumors readers that may be easy to grasp, but imagine an AT&T employee speaking with a first-time smartphone buyer at a store and explaining all the differences. They did the exact opposite of this with their Macbooks line (getting rid of the macbook).
2) There wouldn't be much differentiation in pricing / specs. My guess, with a 2-year contract, is the 5S, "premium phone", at $199, then the 5 or 5C at $99, and the other free. At the same time, it would create confusion in terms of which is the cheapest phone. If 5C is the cheapest, then why is it newer and have different colors to pick from? If the 5 is the cheapest, then why is it made from better materials (aluminum) than the 5C?
Obviously you can make an argument to what I said but my point is that Apple (or any company for that matter) would want to release a product that will create questions among its customers (even if you can justify the answer). It's all about perception and not all consumers are going to sit there and spend hours doing research to determine which iPhone they want.
1) Yes, to us MacRumors readers that may be easy to grasp, but imagine an AT&T employee speaking with a first-time smartphone buyer at a store and explaining all the differences. They did the exact opposite of this with their Macbooks line (getting rid of the macbook).
2) There wouldn't be much differentiation in pricing / specs. My guess, with a 2-year contract, is the 5S, "premium phone", at $199, then the 5 or 5C at $99, and the other free. At the same time, it would create confusion in terms of which is the cheapest phone. If 5C is the cheapest, then why is it newer and have different colors to pick from? If the 5 is the cheapest, then why is it made from better materials (aluminum) than the 5C?
Obviously you can make an argument to what I said but my point is that Apple (or any company for that matter) would want to release a product that will create questions among its customers (even if you can justify the answer). It's all about perception and not all consumers are going to sit there and spend hours doing research to determine which iPhone they want.