iPhone Duo Why the iPhone Fold will Fail [MERGED] [MEGA THREAD]

[Nyx1]

The next iPhone duo should be have camera equivalent with pro people fine if the price with the 1st one also have telephoto lens and face id ofc make the cover screen not like D it's weird design because Apple really love rounder design

 

[leebroath]

I predict the Duo going the same route as the vision Pro..

All nice big reveals at the start with oooh - ahhh... then in a few months to a year, no one is interested

The cost is way off, and telling us it has a million pieces that go into the hinge, well no one cares! All they want is an Apple product that competes better than it's competition

I think Cook is exiting at the right time...and he knows that!

 

[johnsawyercjs]

Why are you stating what is known? I already addressed this.

The outer screen surface is generally plastic. Samsung, for instance, explicitly identifies its foldable protective film as PET plastic.

Because in your first post, you said this without the reservations you later posted:

• Because of the folding capability, and this is a big deal, it has to have a PLASTIC SCREEN.

The top layer isn't the screen, it's the top protective layer. So it's not accurate to say that since the top layer is plastic, that makes the whole display assembly a "plastic screen".

 

[johnsawyercjs]

How does this “affect” in a positive way the customer? It will not bend at your fingernails pressure? The crease is not visible? I think this is a spec false hype for the normal people, facts never lie, the inner display remains more fragile than the outer one

How does this address your original contention that there is no glass in the iPhone Duo display, since you claim that there's no way to make glass bendable?

 

[NeonNights]

I predict the Duo going the same route as the vision Pro..

All nice big reveals at the start with oooh - ahhh... then in a few months to a year, no one is interested

The cost is way off, and telling us it has a million pieces that go into the hinge, well no one cares! All they want is an Apple product that competes better than it's competition

I think Cook is exiting at the right time...and he knows that!

I wasn't impressed by the Vision Pro demos and ignored the AVP station at Apple Stores. The iPhone Duo reveal though was much more impressive than I expected. This thing will sell like hotcakes.

Vision Pro you have to strap to your head, has limited battery life, and isolates you from your surroundings (good or bad). In contrast, people are addicted to their phones. They will sadly forget their kid in the backseat of the car, but never forget their phone. People will justify the Duo price. The price isn't that outrageous considering the 2TB iPhone Pro Max was already available at $1999, and trade-ins and installment plans make the cost much easier to stomach. If someone was choosing between a Vision Pro or a new phone, the phone will overwhelmingly win out. Demand will easily outstrip the initial supply.

 

[KauaiBruce]

I had planned to sit this one out but ended up cursing Apple because I liked it so much. I will not be in the first round of pre orders and do want to watch lots of reviews but I will likely end up with one. What got me is that the majority of what I do quickly I will be able to do folded but the bigger screen will be very useful in lots of places and I can leave my iPad home when traveling and still get the bigger screen.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

The iPhone in a screen size that approaches an iPad Mini screen size is a tablet. So yes, my position is it’s a useless function for most people because it passes a threshold of why people use smartphones.

When you close a foldable phone's display, the phone is the size of a regular phone and therefore still portable. Nobody is going to want to open these phones and then try to fit them back into their pockets while still opened, so being able to unfold to mini-tablet size doesn't compromise their portability.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

You know that the only thing that is needed for an Apple product to be successful is the logo on the back right?
That’s it.

Are you saying that the Apple Vision Pro didn't have an Apple logo on it?

 

[johnsawyercjs]

You don’t and won’t see people standing in line at a grocery store with one basket of food in one hand and an unfolded smartphone in the other hand. One handed device use is one of the main use cases of non-folding smartphones.

That's why folding phones also have a smaller outside display, so they can be used folded when standing in line at the grocery store. Not many people spend all their time standing in line at the grocery store with a basket in one hand.

 

[iPod2001]

Re watching the introduction video for the iPhone duo and it looks so much better software wise then the competition, the seamless experience between the cover display to the inner display is so immersive.
What’s annoyed me about the alternative offerings is that it feels like 2 separate phones and not one consistent interface.
As time goes on and more developers adapt there apps for this new style I can see it being very popular.

 

[i-Liam]

That crease would drive me insane

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I wasn't impressed by the Vision Pro demos and ignored the AVP station at Apple Stores. The iPhone Duo reveal though was much more impressive than I expected. This thing will sell like hotcakes.

Vision Pro you have to strap to your head, has limited battery life, and isolates you from your surroundings (good or bad). In contrast, people are addicted to their phones. They will sadly forget their kid in the backseat of the car, but never forget their phone. People will justify the Duo price. The price isn't that outrageous considering the 2TB iPhone Pro Max was already available at $1999, and trade-ins and installment plans make the cost much easier to stomach. If someone was choosing between a Vision Pro or a new phone, the phone will overwhelmingly win out. Demand will easily outstrip the initial supply.

Like you I wasn't impressed by VisionPro either, but I also think the Duo is too high in price to appeal to a wider user base. You say people will 'justify the price' but on every media article I have seen on this device so far, the £2k starting price is being ridiculed on a large scale. It is even the headline for many articles and when you consider the Pro iPhones are £700 to £800 cheaper, you have to ask whether something that is effectively a folding cellular iPad is appealing enough? I am sure it will sell well to its select market, much like Samsung's does, but there must also be a reason the Samsung Fold isn't being snapped up in huge numbers too whilst the S26/Ultras are vastly more popular. I also don't think the 2TB iPhones sell in significant numbers too considering they always seem to be available after the lower storage tiers have sold out.

 

[cardfan]

Like you I wasn't impressed by VisionPro either, but I also think the Duo is too high in price to appeal to a wider user base. You say people will 'justify the price' but on every media article I have seen on this device so far, the £2k starting price is being ridiculed on a large scale. It is even the headline for many articles and when you consider the Pro iPhones are £700 to £800 cheaper, you have to ask whether something that is effectively a folding cellular iPad is appealing enough? I am sure it will sell well to its select market, much like Samsung's does, but there must also be a reason the Samsung Fold isn't being snapped up in huge numbers too whilst the S26/Ultras are vastly more popular.

Perhaps. But I’m always criticizing Apple and they should be over ai. But this duo is a hit. Vision Pro for me was a just a want. An itch. But I knew it wouldn’t be something I used much when I got it and ultimately returned it. And now I don’t even think about it.

You’ll see at launch when it’s on back order for 6 months or so. People pay 36 month installments. They don’t pay 1999 at the beginning. I don’t think the price matters as much as people seem to think. Not for the audience that wants this. Whether it’s the cool gadget or the need to show it off. And iPhones have been boring for awhile so there’s some initial demand for something new.

The ability to have this with you all the time in your pocket and be able to multitask with a flip is huge.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

4% will buy foldable yes the original post is correct

4% of a very large number is still a large number, and if anyone can run the numbers, it's Apple (most of the time), and they've calculated that the profit will likely justify the effort.

 

[iFone88]

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That crease would drive me insane

If I’m paying £2k or upwards, I would want them to be able to develop a ceaseless screen.

 

[cardfan]

I had planned to sit this one out but ended up cursing Apple because I liked it so much. I will not be in the first round of pre orders and do want to watch lots of reviews but I will likely end up with one. What got me is that the majority of what I do quickly I will be able to do folded but the bigger screen will be very useful in lots of places and I can leave my iPad home when traveling and still get the bigger screen.

Yeah I’ll be getting one. Wireless charging was big deal for me. Only thing I’ll miss a bit is the camera zoom. But it’s an easy compromise.

I’m still curious about little things like speakers. I don’t watch apples events anymore. I’m sure the specs will come in detail before next month.

I swore off buying iPads. That definitely won’t be happening with this. But I’ll be glad to have it everywhere with me.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

What I don’t like is they showcase it as a video watching, picture taking, alarm clock device. Where are the productivity examples? Many people who buys this will use it for work, note taking, emails, word processing, desktop mode, etc.

Currently its idea is just a small iPhone that will turn into a big iPhone, that you use to doom scroll and that’s it.

There were a few productivity examples shown in the presentation, but for some reason not nearly as many as the flashy examples showing people taking photos of fashion models and making big-budget movies with the Duo. Not the proper ratio in my opinion.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Perhaps. But I’m always criticizing Apple and they should be over ai. But this duo is a hit. Vision Pro for me was a just a want. An itch. But I knew it wouldn’t be something I used much when I got it and ultimately returned it. And now I don’t even think about it.

You’ll see at launch when it’s on back order for 6 months or so. People pay 36 month installments. They don’t pay 1999 at the beginning. I don’t think the price matters as much as people seem to think. Not for the audience that wants this. Whether it’s the cool gadget or the need to show it off. And iPhones have been boring for awhile so there’s some initial demand for something new.

The ability to have this with you all the time in your pocket and be able to multitask with a flip is huge.

Price absolutely matters because even with installments and carrier packages, its still a significant outlay every month for the average user. I expect it to be on backorder because its been suggested there are limited numbers being manufactured compared to other models.

So who in your opinion is this type of phone going to be popular with? The Samsung Fold makes up 2% of their sales, so what makes you think an iPhone version is suddenly going to make us pay almost double what we are used to?