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dccorona

macrumors 68020
Jun 12, 2008
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if you had done some reading, you'd realize that the retina macbook pros ALL lag...or at least, they did. Until the update, which (admittedly poor timing here), didn't come out until the day after their release. The video in question was taken before the release of the update. I don't know when your experience was, but I think it is safe to assume that not every display has been updated yet...employees may have just not got around to it yet
 

skywalkerr69

macrumors 6502a
Jan 21, 2011
748
407
New York
I have not yet bought a RMBP, call me weird but I prefer to let other people find the problems with a brand new product before shelling out my cash. I'm considering one later this summer/early fall but I have a lot of questions with regards to non-optimized apps that I use daily that need to get figured out first.

And I'm driving a BMW now and can't wait till I can get rid of it to replace it with something more reliable. That vehicle will not be German :)

Good call on your consumerism with laptop purchases. However, BMW's are the Fords of Germany, albeit the 1970's Fords of Germany.

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I know but audis are just Volkswagen's :)

Totally different design teams and manufacturing plants. Actually built thousands of miles apart. However, they SOMETIMES use the same parts. i.e. air filters and some minor suspension parts.
 

panzer06

macrumors 68040
Sep 23, 2006
3,282
229
Kilrath
I have no clue what the first part of that comment means. As far as the second, I'll repeat, you haven't driven a German car, have you? :)

I love my vehicle but I've paid ridiculously more in maintenance on it than any previous car i've owned (both American and Japanese). I also most likely wouldn't buy an American car now.

Driven plenty of German cars, in Germany (love das autobahn) as well, however, I've never had the pleasure of OWNING and German care and being responsible for all the maintenance.

While SSD is nice whats wrong with a TB or USB 3 SATA III drive?

Would be nice to have decent internal options like a 2nd std drive bay than having to carry extra bits around. No to mention the crazy $50 TB cable.

Cheers,
 

TheMacBookPro

macrumors 68020
May 9, 2008
2,133
3
Have you seen the Chrome to Safari comparison? That's not "doesn't look great", that's unacceptable for a $2k+ laptop.

I have seen it. Looks rough, yeah. The Canary beta is out and looks fine though. Given how the Retina Pro is only a few days old, I'd say that's a pretty quick update.

More and more applications will be updated for the Retina display. If you don't want to wait for developers to catch up, well, that's why they still offer the legacy Pro. When making such a huge jump in resolution there are bound to be compromises.

You haven't driven a German car before, have you? You can't afford the women after taking the vehicle to the shop.

And you've never driven a German car made later than the 1980s, have you? (just messing with you ;))
What BMW do you have that's having issues?

Never had any major issues with my 01 E39 540i, my 06 E66 750Li nor my current 08 E60 M5. That's not even mentioning the numerous other German cars I had in the nineties.
Did have some issues with the Airmatic suspension/Active Body Control in my W220 S-Class but that was a widely known issue and was fixed under warranty.

In terms of maintenance, I've noticed that my rear tires need to get replaced a lot quicker than on my other cars. Probably because I drive them harder than my Japanese vehicles. Otherwise no other factors to report.

I recently wanted to lease a midsize sports sedan for a year and chose the Audi S4 over the CTS-V. The V had huge amounts of power, but the chintzy interior was disappointing for a 'luxury' marque like Cadillac. I will admit that the new 335's steering feel is simply too vague in comparison, but I'd have no concerns about reliability. In fact I wouldn't have reliability concerns for any modern new vehicle assuming it isn't an exotic or poorly maintained.

I know but audis are just Volkswagen's :)

I suppose Bentleys, Bugattis, Lambos and Porsches are all VWs too?
Have an Aventador? Should've just bought a Passat! :p
 

fig

macrumors 6502a
Jun 13, 2012
916
84
Austin, TX
Driven plenty of German cars, in Germany (love das autobahn) as well, however, I've never had the pleasure of OWNING and German care and being responsible for all the maintenance.

I think you've got the right idea my friend :)


I have seen it. Looks rough, yeah. The Canary beta is out and looks fine though. Given how the Retina Pro is only a few days old, I'd say that's a pretty quick update.

More and more applications will be updated for the Retina display. If you don't want to wait for developers to catch up, well, that's why they still offer the legacy Pro. When making such a huge jump in resolution there are bound to be compromises.

I realize, I'm just waiting for the cries from the peanut gallery when they realize some of their favorite apps don't look very good. I'm personally not holding out hope that some developers who don't tend to prioritize the Mac, not to name names *cough*Autodesk*cough*, are going to update the apps I need anytime soon.



And you've never driven a German car made later than the 1980s, have you? (just messing with you ;))
What BMW do you have that's having issues?

Never had any major issues with my 01 E39 540i, my 06 E66 750Li nor my current 08 E60 M5. That's not even mentioning the numerous other German cars I had in the nineties.
Did have some issues with the Airmatic suspension/Active Body Control in my W220 S-Class but that was a widely known issue and was fixed under warranty.

Well played :)

'03 E46 here, it really hasn't been horribly unreliable but it's more the massive cost of repairs when I do have to take it in. I've started doing the lower end ones at home, I was quite impressed with myself when I managed to replace the serpentine belt :)
 

TheMacBookPro

macrumors 68020
May 9, 2008
2,133
3
I realize, I'm just waiting for the cries from the peanut gallery when they realize some of their favorite apps don't look very good. I'm personally not holding out hope that some developers who don't tend to prioritize the Mac, not to name names *cough*Autodesk*cough*, are going to update the apps I need anytime soon.

Of course, it all depends on what specific applications you plan on using. Basically the only must-have applications for me is Final Cut (Premiere over on the Windows side) and Photoshop. FCP has already been optimized and PS is coming end of this year so I feel I can transition comfortably to the Retina Pros now.

I will be giving Aperture a shot though. In the past I've just used Aperture (2) for minor touchups and used PS for the heavy lifting but it certainly looks like Aperture 3 is going to be able to tide me over till the new optimized version of Photoshop is out.

Well played :)

'03 E46 here, it really hasn't been horribly unreliable but it's more the massive cost of repairs when I do have to take it in. I've started doing the lower end ones at home, I was quite impressed with myself when I managed to replace the serpentine belt :)

With an older model German vehicle (or any vehicle tbh) you should definitely find yourself a good indy shop. The dealer charges a crapton for parts and a crapton for labor when you're out of warranty. An indy should be able to get parts cheaper and fit them for much less than a dealer would charge, and they'd probably do a better job too.

I'm not looking forward to the day I get the red cog of death, that clutch replacement won't be cheap. It's like a ticking time bomb that goes off every 80k (or less). That's the price I pay to run an SMG gearbox :(
 

fig

macrumors 6502a
Jun 13, 2012
916
84
Austin, TX
Of course, it all depends on what specific applications you plan on using. Basically the only must-have applications for me is Final Cut (Premiere over on the Windows side) and Photoshop. FCP has already been optimized and PS is coming end of this year so I feel I can transition comfortably to the Retina Pros now.

I will be giving Aperture a shot though. In the past I've just used Aperture (2) for minor touchups and used PS for the heavy lifting but it certainly looks like Aperture 3 is going to be able to tide me over till the new optimized version of Photoshop is out.

Yeah, I can't really even think about one until I've got working versions of Photoshop and Illustrator and a version of Maya I can at least run connected to an external display. Hopefully the rest of the Adobe suite will follow soon after Photoshop but we'll see.


With an older model German vehicle (or any vehicle tbh) you should definitely find yourself a good indy shop. The dealer charges a crapton for parts and a crapton for labor when you're out of warranty. An indy should be able to get parts cheaper and fit them for much less than a dealer would charge, and they'd probably do a better job too.

I'm not looking forward to the day I get the red cog of death, that clutch replacement won't be cheap. It's like a ticking time bomb that goes off every 80k (or less). That's the price I pay to run an SMG gearbox :(

I learned about finding a non-dealership shop early on and it's saved me a TON, I've passed that tidbit on to other friends as well. Good luck with the gearbox...yikes.
 

12345aa

macrumors newbie
Jun 9, 2012
14
0
You haven't driven a German car before, have you? You can't afford the women after taking the vehicle to the shop.

You haven't had a new one for a while, have you?

They pretty much all come with either 2 or 3 years inclusive maintenance. I haven't spent a cent for anything - including oil changes - on any of the last 5 we've had.
 

pragmatous

macrumors 65816
May 23, 2012
1,378
99
I love all the real MBP vs fake MBP retina discussions. It's like there's a civil fanboy war in the mac community heh.
 

fig

macrumors 6502a
Jun 13, 2012
916
84
Austin, TX
You haven't had a new one for a while, have you?

They pretty much all come with either 2 or 3 years inclusive maintenance. I haven't spent a cent for anything - including oil changes - on any of the last 5 we've had.

Nope, I live comfortably within my means and for me that means if I want a nice car it's one I don't have ridiculous payments on :)

MY BIL does have a new one, however, and he's paid a lot more than expected in little tidbits outside of his warranty.
 

TheMacBookPro

macrumors 68020
May 9, 2008
2,133
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Yeah, I can't really even think about one until I've got working versions of Photoshop and Illustrator and a version of Maya I can at least run connected to an external display. Hopefully the rest of the Adobe suite will follow soon after Photoshop but we'll see.

Yep. I hope Premiere gets updated too, I've gotten used to it. Though FCP's learning curve isn't that steep.

I learned about finding a non-dealership shop early on and it's saved me a TON, I've passed that tidbit on to other friends as well. Good luck with the gearbox...yikes.

I knew what I was getting into when I bought the car. I'm only at 25k now so there's a long way to go. Who knows, I might be in an F10 by the time the clutch needs replacement :p
 
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j0ester

macrumors member
Jun 14, 2012
57
0
GOD!

Cons:
Ethernet use requires adapter. Not all apps currently work well with Retina display.

The MBP needed a MiniDisplay Port to HDMI now the RetinaMBP doesn't have an Ethernet cable? Seems like Macbooks now a days are missing the important essentials. If it's not one thing, it's another.

Needless to say, but for a $2,184 I don't think it's really worth it. Add an extra $400 for SSD. o_O
 

corvus32

macrumors 6502a
Sep 4, 2009
761
0
USA
Apple killed off a bunch of technologies in 1998 with the original iMac, and they introduced onboard RAM in 2008 with the MBA.

If you weren't old enough to participate in either debate, I'll save you some research.

In each case, people moved on. Surprise! I know. It's hard to believe, but its true. It really did happen that way.
 

aoaaron

macrumors 6502
Sep 4, 2010
454
41
Ethernet is a big killer for me. I use my MBP to stream videos from my NAS. I feel cheated to pay OTT money for a laptop and then pay OTT for an adaptor.

For the price, apple should have included most/all adaptors. Right now I feel its not value for money. A lot of users who buy the retina MBP are investing in new technology which obviously is not the end product (hardware vs. screen needs, the lag which has just been addressed by an update, apps which will/wont be updated, countless bugs which will inevitably occur, OS switch over which new buyers will pay for in the summer).

I just feel they're taking a leap of faith with Apple and the least they could have done is included an adaptor set instead of trying to milk some really loyal consumers for a bit more cash.
 

AZREOSpecialist

Suspended
Mar 15, 2009
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Too bad you don't actually own one, because if you did you quickly learn that nothing you cited is an issue. Go back to selling hot dogs at the mall and save up some money. Seriously.

Ok; Ill admit, I got REALLY excited when the new line up of macbook pro's came out on Monday. But when I heard the specs and I wasn't so sure about it. Here is 3 reasons why I don't like it.


1) A retina display uses more graphics card ram so the intel 4000 will make it lag like CRAZY. If you play games (such as CSS) don't expect to get a good FPS. The retina uses a lot more pixel detail which will require A LOT of power from the graphics card which it doesn't have a lot of yet (Yes Nvidia 650M is strong but not strong enough for retina yet). So expect to get low FPS. Also a lot of things won't support the retina display.


2) The specs! A 256GB SSD storage? Come on.... People who photo edit/video edit will need ATLEAST 500GB SSD drive. I know that its a VERY thin laptop but i'd rather have the thicker version 750GB ATA hard drive rather than a thin laptop. Plus if i want A thin laptop like that; I'd be looking at the MBA. The 15" isn't portable in general, either way its made to have A LOT of power. I think the non-retina upgraded model with high res gives you what you need already.


3) The battery. Don't expect to get a 7 hour battery. Since the intel 4000 is lagy/useful for a retina display you will probably be running the Nvidia 650M on it which will give you about 1 hour and 30 minutes of battery. The retina will also murder the battery in general.



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Sorry but Apple is trying to go too far ahead of its time. We still need some lower res and a little bit thicker laptops for battery and graphics cards. :/
 

Sdahe

macrumors 68000
Oct 26, 2007
1,722
23
San Juan, PR
A laptop is not a gaming device... Get a Xbox or Playstation if you want to play games. The MacbookPro is a working device. I think its perfect!... Cant wait to get one for myself.
 

Beezzy

macrumors 6502
Apr 23, 2011
268
11
I love the rMBP, but I know better than to get a first Gen Apple product. I don't wanna be a bonafide beta tester. I'll wait for better graphics and more memory to come out. Im thinking maybe 2-3 years but my current MBP is awesome me, if you don't like the Retina MBP just get the "regular" ones, they're upgraded with USB 3 on all ports and have everything most users need with solid performance.
 

ljonesj

macrumors 6502a
Oct 20, 2009
945
63
Kingsport TN
it would be funny if the apps that have not been updated to retina never update for it as they think that the other screens are better and the retina macbook pro is a big flop but you know how things go it will be probably a big seller for apple
 

HighEndMac

macrumors regular
Mar 30, 2011
229
1
I have seen it. Looks rough, yeah. The Canary beta is out and looks fine though. Given how the Retina Pro is only a few days old, I'd say that's a pretty quick update.

More and more applications will be updated for the Retina display. If you don't want to wait for developers to catch up, well, that's why they still offer the legacy Pro. When making such a huge jump in resolution there are bound to be compromises.



And you've never driven a German car made later than the 1980s, have you? (just messing with you ;))
What BMW do you have that's having issues?

Never had any major issues with my 01 E39 540i, my 06 E66 750Li nor my current 08 E60 M5. That's not even mentioning the numerous other German cars I had in the nineties.
Did have some issues with the Airmatic suspension/Active Body Control in my W220 S-Class but that was a widely known issue and was fixed under warranty.

In terms of maintenance, I've noticed that my rear tires need to get replaced a lot quicker than on my other cars. Probably because I drive them harder than my Japanese vehicles. Otherwise no other factors to report.

I recently wanted to lease a midsize sports sedan for a year and chose the Audi S4 over the CTS-V. The V had huge amounts of power, but the chintzy interior was disappointing for a 'luxury' marque like Cadillac. I will admit that the new 335's steering feel is simply too vague in comparison, but I'd have no concerns about reliability. In fact I wouldn't have reliability concerns for any modern new vehicle assuming it isn't an exotic or poorly maintained.



I suppose Bentleys, Bugattis, Lambos and Porsches are all VWs too?
Have an Aventador? Should've just bought a Passat! :p

Yes my car buddy, get em' ! (BUMP to the above)
 
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