I said "that I can remember". That would have been 6 years ago, and though I still used a Mac at that time, I wasn't nearly as involved in everything going on. What did that update do?
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Why Windows users don't like to switch
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When have I ever said Apple is perfect? I never have...I don't see anyone else saying so, either. It seems like you are putting words into our mouths and then getting upset and calling people names. I never once insulted you, so why are you doing the one thing you are complaining that "we" do?
Yes, I am a zealot.
I never said the 10.2.8 caused problems for your iBook only. I said it was a screwed up update that got pulled, revised, and put back up in a timely manor. You want to know why no one (not even die-hard PC fans) cuts MS any slack? It's because they consistantly release barely passible software (another point I made in my previous post that you qouted).
And, when it comes to how yer machine is running, only the people w/problems are going to post. Have you ever seen anyone post, in a *help fourm* no less (i.e. the apple ibook boards), "Hey, my machine is running fine." If everyone who's machine was running fine posted just to say, "all is well" I guarentee you that the number of "all is well" would far out number the people who are having problems. If you visited a local hospital would you come to the conclusion that most of the people in your area are injured/sick because you find more unhealthy people in the hospital than healthy people?
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Am I the only one here who sees these forums as a place to discuss news within the mac world and not fight wars between the mac and pc world? I'm getting really tired of agitated anti-mac posters coming in here and telling me why I'm wrong. Please grow up and let me discuss my computer in peace.
As for dcb's claim that the only argument Mac "zealots" use for a bad OS update is that Apple can't be perfect, is it possible that these people are speaking the truth? Apple drives me nuts sometimes, mostly because of the cost of things, but for the most part I have no problems with OS X at all. I've used windows daily for the past 9 years, from 3.1 to XP and I could make machines run like demons with some work, but now that I've left home my less computer-literate family is using the computer. HEADACHE! Every day for 3 weeks they were calling me asking me to fix problems, and I had even done a fresh install of windows before leaving.
OS X isn't perfect, but I can honestly say after 2 months of use, OS X embarasses Windows.
As for dcb's claim that the only argument Mac "zealots" use for a bad OS update is that Apple can't be perfect, is it possible that these people are speaking the truth? Apple drives me nuts sometimes, mostly because of the cost of things, but for the most part I have no problems with OS X at all. I've used windows daily for the past 9 years, from 3.1 to XP and I could make machines run like demons with some work, but now that I've left home my less computer-literate family is using the computer. HEADACHE! Every day for 3 weeks they were calling me asking me to fix problems, and I had even done a fresh install of windows before leaving.
OS X isn't perfect, but I can honestly say after 2 months of use, OS X embarasses Windows.
Please let me try to explain myself:
1. I am an Apple owner; there is a reason for that.
2. I realize that I make some overly "harsh" posts...but it isn't because I hate Apple or anything like that. The truth is, I believe that the platform that I chose = OSX is a good platform; nonetheless, I believe that Apple as a company and the produvts they sell could be better. I believe that "zealotry" only hurts the potential of Apple. But by saying that, I am immediatley labled a troll. I HATE the fact that when I disagree with certain individuals, it becomes a personal issue. And I realize I am guilty of the same as well. I just don't think that the "discussions" are fair in any way shape or form. I think that many of you tell half truths and hyberbolize any facts.
3. Microsoft, despite it;s shortcomings is/ was a major player in the development in our world today. Without the "Evil Empore" as you guys put it, computing would not be the same! Do you know why? It is because they have been put under EXTREME scrutiny and they respond. We call Apple innovative...perhaps that is true if we are discussing design. But the true innovation has come from Mr. Gates and the PC world. The G5 is catching up, not surpassing anything in the PC world.
As for your comment about the apple forums mr wolf...you are wrong and I believe I asked that you don't come back with that same tired argument about the apple discussion boards - it is a whole other debate in itself.
Mr. Powerbook...I do apologize, but I am going to bluntly say that I really think you are the most guilty when it comes to stretching the truth when it comes to anything Apple! An d to be honest, you are the catalyst for my flames...some of the things you say are totally illogical and full of emotion. Nonetheless, I appreciate that. If I had a team of any sort, you would be the first that I call.
And as for the person who said that I am a Go-L guy...get over it. They are a real company with machines that rival apples so called innovation.
1. I am an Apple owner; there is a reason for that.
2. I realize that I make some overly "harsh" posts...but it isn't because I hate Apple or anything like that. The truth is, I believe that the platform that I chose = OSX is a good platform; nonetheless, I believe that Apple as a company and the produvts they sell could be better. I believe that "zealotry" only hurts the potential of Apple. But by saying that, I am immediatley labled a troll. I HATE the fact that when I disagree with certain individuals, it becomes a personal issue. And I realize I am guilty of the same as well. I just don't think that the "discussions" are fair in any way shape or form. I think that many of you tell half truths and hyberbolize any facts.
3. Microsoft, despite it;s shortcomings is/ was a major player in the development in our world today. Without the "Evil Empore" as you guys put it, computing would not be the same! Do you know why? It is because they have been put under EXTREME scrutiny and they respond. We call Apple innovative...perhaps that is true if we are discussing design. But the true innovation has come from Mr. Gates and the PC world. The G5 is catching up, not surpassing anything in the PC world.
As for your comment about the apple forums mr wolf...you are wrong and I believe I asked that you don't come back with that same tired argument about the apple discussion boards - it is a whole other debate in itself.
Mr. Powerbook...I do apologize, but I am going to bluntly say that I really think you are the most guilty when it comes to stretching the truth when it comes to anything Apple! An d to be honest, you are the catalyst for my flames...some of the things you say are totally illogical and full of emotion. Nonetheless, I appreciate that. If I had a team of any sort, you would be the first that I call.
And as for the person who said that I am a Go-L guy...get over it. They are a real company with machines that rival apples so called innovation.
Instead of attacking me with blanketed insults, why not tell me exactly what I have said that is so illogical and "stretching" the truth? You keep insisting I say things I never say and then say I am the reason you are attacking our forums.
There is no "doctrine prescribed on this board". The site's owner and we moderators are as fair and impartial as can be.
I suggest you check out some other Mac boards before condemning this one.
I meant 7.5.4, sorry. Just after limited, prerelease distribution of 7.5.4 began--and only hours before its official public release--a glaring bug was found that created problems with any 5400 and 6400 models. The day after, 7.5.5 was released.
7.5.2 was buggy in its own right, mostly problems with Open Transport.
dcb: I agree with LethalWolfe about Apple's own help forums--why would somebody post on a help forum just to let everybody know the computer is fine? It's a HELP forum.
There are certainly problems with some of Apple's products. iBook logic board issues come to mind (it's not that they happen, it's that they'll happen five or six times to the same computer). In that particular case, I think a combination of more rigorous pre-market testing is required, along with a more aggressive lemon replacement policy.
I suspect the real reason most Windows users don't switch is that those who aren't in the know don't even know there is another OS out there. Those that are in the know often are PC zealots who are misinformed, deny the truth, or--perhaps worse--follow Intel and Microsoft like sheep. The few in the middle (and they ARE few) choose to switch or not to switch based on their needs.
If there's one thing I know about Macintosh users, it's that they demand satisfaction. Many of us would stand by our Macs until the last breath, but that rarely equates to the irrational belief that Apple can do no wrong (though there are a few out there).
damnit daveman....that was a very good response and I am almost speechless. Nontheless, I will reiterate once again that I will not discuss the Apple discussion forums, it is a whole different debate! (Have you ever taken statistics)
Nonetheless, you call PC zealots sheep...my argument is that Apple lemmings are just as (worst in my opinion) bad as pc zealots. U say that apple owners demand more...I disagree. apple owners simply demand an excuse to bash PC's. They don't accept any fault with apple.
As a matter of fact, you mentioned logic boards....you bring that up...the argument here is - Just because u have logic board problems doesn;t mean that others have it too. Your experience is not my experience.
That is BS. Apple owners turn the blind eye to apple and focus on telling the world how bad and evil microsoft is
Nonetheless, you call PC zealots sheep...my argument is that Apple lemmings are just as (worst in my opinion) bad as pc zealots. U say that apple owners demand more...I disagree. apple owners simply demand an excuse to bash PC's. They don't accept any fault with apple.
As a matter of fact, you mentioned logic boards....you bring that up...the argument here is - Just because u have logic board problems doesn;t mean that others have it too. Your experience is not my experience.
That is BS. Apple owners turn the blind eye to apple and focus on telling the world how bad and evil microsoft is
Most Apple owners I know are pretty critical of Apple and a few I know call Apple up or go to their feedback page and tell them exactly how they feel when they think Apple did something to screw them...I know I was pissed when my PowerBook G3 came to me with a defect and I did not just give them a benefit of the doubt, I told them I wanted a new one because I refuse to spend hard earned money on a defective product, be it Microsoft or Apple.
I've seen plenty of posts on this site of people saying Apple screwed up or there is a glitch with such and such a program. Just look at all the 10.2.8 threads, or all the complaints when Apple dropped L3 from the new PowerBooks, or when they found out the iMacs didn't have the 7457 G4, etc. Not many people just say "But it's Apple, so I am happy", they say "But why didn't Apple do this better?"
You have no basis for making claims like that after only having been here 2 months.
Persist and you'll leave no doubt about whether you're trolling or not.
What is your point about stats?
Lets face it
it costs money to switch
You don't just need to buy hardware, but also software. Who cares if you can run all your files on a Mac if you don't have the software to support it
When i moved from a PC to Mac, i had to get new Mac versions of my Software - Photoshop, Illustrator, Switched to FCP from Premiere, and Mac Office. That adds up, and lets face it, not everyone can shell out that much money all at once.
And we can sit here calling eachother zealots, lemmings, sheep, trolls, or anyother derogitory description we can come up with, but i think we just get farther away from the issue - Switching Costs money - not everyone has it to throw around.
The moderators do not ban people for disagreeing, but ban people who flame and attack everyone else, making arguments that don't even hold up.
People are banned for trolling, starting flamewars, and disobeying other forum rules.
I suggest you read them.
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