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Bought two Dells, and built three other PC computers myself over the years, and bad mouthed Apple systems from time to time, like many do. Than I saw the MacMini, and for some reason I wanted it. It was smaller than any PC I've ever owned, and decided I would take a chance on another OS. First day, it was a learning curve, but after just a short bit, I finally realized the Apple OS was actually very stable, and easy to use. In fact it was more stable than Microsofts OS. No more bad mouthing, and now I own an iPhone, and someday a MacBook Pro.

Though I had no issues with my Dell's, I did have issues with the operating system, and some programs that did not sit well with the OS. I even used a anti-virus software that I don't need with the OS X. Should have migrated to Apple sooner, but one has to learn the hard way, I guess ;)
 
So I think the real issue going on here (well, it's the issue for me) is that I would probably prefer the rMBP over the Dell - I prefer Apple's build quality, I like the resale value, and I've definitely been swayed by Apple's marketing and the general coolness factor.

However, there's no point me spending over US$2000 on a laptop that I can't do my day-to-day job on!!
At the end of the day, the rMBP are machines designed to run OSX.

Anyone on here who is comparing the rMBP to a Dell (or any other non-Apple laptop) must be a user who predominantly uses Windows (or who is looking to make the switch to OSX).

I use Windows for my work: period. For my non-work stuff, I'd probably be just as happy on OSX. And if you're posting on here, and not already a rMBP owner, it has to be because you'd quite like a rMBP and need some convincing. Either that or you're just like trolling :)

[As an aside, has anyone properly addressed the apparent discrepancy between the rMBP power supply size (85w) vs the draw on a fully loaded rMBP with the dGPU? I saw some calculations that showed under load the rMBP would draw quite a bit more than 85w, so that you'd then expect throttling, and that the Dell XPS doesn't suffer from that issue as it has 135W power supply? I didn't see a satisfactory answer on that, just some mud-slinging].

So really, the question for me is simple: If a rMBP can run Windows as well as (or better than) the corresponding Dell/Sony/Lenovo etc. laptop, then I'm sold.

And the fact that we're arguing over components, screen size, battery life etc. indicates that it's not that simple a choice.

If the rMBP had a touch screen, I'd be sold - I do a lot of Mobile App dev, and one of the pluses of a touchscreen is running an emulator that uses a touchscreen - but it's not something I'd use all the time, it's a nice to have (for me - I know others dislike them). I don't have a tablet so I'd be using the laptop like one. Or I could just buy a rMBP and an iPad air... :).

I also much prefer the Apple touchpad over the Dell ones, but only if Apple's drivers work properly in all the OSs I need to use (just about to do some searching: can I run Windows Server 2008/2012 and 2013 booting from VHD [non-virtualised] on a rMBP).

I have a white carbonate 7 yo MacBook which (although slow, and with some bits of cracked plastic) still works fine.
I also have a 3 yo Dell laptop which doesn't always boot, is cracked, has the occasional pink screen, doesn't go to sleep, and is very very slow.
Based on build quality alone, the decision is a no-brainer.

Apple's products have a whole mystique, and aura around them - and for some that's a put off as it's primarily a marketing thing (IMHO), however I'm still swayed by it.
I want the feeling of owning a MacBook, I want the near-religious experience of unpackaging it and admiring how much thought has gone into every part.

I just don't want to find I can't do my day job on it!

I actually use Windows for work but find OS X much better for home use. My rMBP is plenty fast to run VM session or two with Windows though, so I have the best of both worlds.

Having said that, the XPS 15 is one of the more impressive machines as of late.
 
Two Reasons:

The MacBook Pro runs OS X, and if you ever need your Mac serviced you can drop it off at your local Genius Bar and get it back in days rather than weeks.

Not everyone has a local Genius bar. Just saying.

Now as someone that owns Both Windows and Apple machines, I wouldn't buy the Dell. What I did buy is the Lenovo Yoga 2. Having owned an original Yoga it was an easy sell as that machine was superb, even given Windows 8's shortcomings, which the Yoga 2 and Windows 8.1 addressed well.
 
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I've been keeping an eye out for user experiences of the new XPS 15, and it's funny how there seems to be even more issues than rMBP, people all of a sudden becoming extremely 'picky' and expectations rise sky high when they shell out $2K+ for a machine, with multiple exchanges and some just giving up. Glad I went with the rMBP :D.
 
I've been keeping an eye out for user experiences of the new XPS 15, and it's funny how there seems to be even more issues than rMBP, people all of a sudden becoming extremely 'picky' and expectations rise sky high when they shell out $2K+ for a machine, with multiple exchanges and some just giving up. Glad I went with the rMBP :D.

Haha, I remember some people praising the XPS 15 like it was some kind of god back when it was announced.

Apple is always going to be the more reliable choice.
 
p*ss poor quality rmbp

i got the rmbp with has well processor and totally regret getting it. I wish i went for the Dell xps 15.

the first macbook pro got a creaky bottom plate. Apple swapped it for me, and the replacement unit was creaking even worse. I contacted apple care, and the supervisor there was giving me a hard time because I wanted a 2nd replacement unit.

Just received my 2nd replacement unit.....no creak, good case. Boot up the machine....right speaker NOT working out of the box. Apple care can't start the proces of shipping a replacement unit because the old unit is still in transit to them.

Apple claims to have good quality but in reality i have never had a laptop with worse build quality before. Many die-hard apple fans just ignore creaking cases and other minor problems. They rather blame the user than the manufacturer. "you're holding it wrong". "don't worry about creaking case, it's designed to do that" "don't hold your laptop with 1 hand bla bla".

Very disappointed retina macbook pro owner.
 
i got the rmbp with has well processor and totally regret getting it. I wish i went for the Dell xps 15.

the first macbook pro got a creaky bottom plate. Apple swapped it for me, and the replacement unit was creaking even worse. I contacted apple care, and the supervisor there was giving me a hard time because I wanted a 2nd replacement unit.

Just received my 2nd replacement unit.....no creak, good case. Boot up the machine....right speaker NOT working out of the box. Apple care can't start the proces of shipping a replacement unit because the old unit is still in transit to them.

Apple claims to have good quality but in reality i have never had a laptop with worse build quality before. Many die-hard apple fans just ignore creaking cases and other minor problems. They rather blame the user than the manufacturer. "you're holding it wrong". "don't worry about creaking case, it's designed to do that" "don't hold your laptop with 1 hand bla bla".

Very disappointed retina macbook pro owner.

I feel your pain, I went through four Haswell 15" rMBP all with very poor build quality. Four screens with yellow in the bottom, one of them had a broken enter key, two out of the four had uneven lids.

The build quality on these machines is absolutely terrible.
 

Just posting these icons didn't add much to the discussion fellas.

I've gone through four of these notebooks and they all had faults. That is terrible build quality. Feel free to refute me with actual words though.

Proof of all my replacements: http://i.imgur.com/su3BU4z.png The Airport Express was added to the order by Apple as a free gift for all the issues I had. The 2nd and 3rd units were inspected by Apple and both times found to be faulty due to yellow discolouration on the screen and in the case of the 3rd unit a broken enter key. I do not know the outcome of them inspecting the 4th unit as that time I just returned it for my money back.

A company that has no issues doesn't issue 3 replacements to a customer. These laptops do not have a consistently good build quality, getting a good one in my opinion is like finding a winning lottery ticket.
 
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I got Dell XPS15Z, cMBP and rMBP. All I have to say is GOOD LUCK for those who want to go with Dell XPS :rolleyes:
 

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I got Dell XPS15Z, cMBP and rMBP. All I have to say is GOOD LUCK for those who want to go with Dell XPS :rolleyes:

Could you motivate why the Dell is even worse than the mbp? How many times did you have to replace your Dell?

Thanks
 
Could you motivate why the Dell is even worse than the mbp? How many times did you have to replace your Dell?

Thanks

I got total of 3 XPS laptops for the past few years. I bought them because of work. 2 died from overheat within 2 years. The current one is still working but it's running hot which is great for the winter time. The fan is noisy. The screen went out within a year but got a replacement from Dell. Also Dell support is a joke. The laptop built quality is basically sheet metal forming using aluminum sheet. It got good spec's but the built quality is far none comparing to mbp. If you like a flimsy feel laptop, then Dell is for you.
 
We got our replacement Dell XPS-15 this past week, and I am very impressed with the build quality, and fit and feel. NOTE: This was a replacement for our almost 4 year old XPS which Dell decided not to spend any more money on our old XPS-1640 for next day on-site service.

Over the years we had a couple of keyboards and palm rests replaced, and the past 3 months saw 2 motherboards. We do like the Dell warranty; it's hard to beat on-site service.

I've got to say we've always liked Dell Tech Support, but must admit it's no where near Apple's, and Dell has gone downhill lately. But we can't complain with them providing us with a spanking new XPS-15

Windows 8.1 is working pretty nice, and is a lot like Win 7, and I do like some features of the touchscreen, like if the print on a page is too small, I can easily enlarge the page with my fingers just like a tablet.

All that said, I think our next computer will be a rMBP.
 
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I don't want to sit in a coffee shop with a Dell :D

But seriously design wise it looks just like any other laptop. OSX is really the main reason for me to go MBP.
 
This thread is full of Apple fanboys obviously. If you ask the same question on any non-mac oriented site everyone will say go for the Dell in heartbeat. Just saying don't get it just because "its a dell" has no basis for anything. Windows 8 is a fine operating system and if one uses software like Adobe's suite the Dell will fly.

I however am buying a Haswell rMBP because I am a bit of a fanboy and for me its just preference so I'd rather pay the extra money.

Bit of both here - the Dell specs are impressive but to have the best of both worlds aka OSX and Windows I would plump for the retina MBP despite it poorer on paper. They run Windows very impressively. We will have to agree to disagree on Windows 8 though, I don't have a single client I'm migrating from XP who is interested in 8, all 7x64 which I will stick with till Windows 8.2 when hopefully they give us a desktop OS back!
 
I got total of 3 XPS laptops for the past few years. I bought them because of work. 2 died from overheat within 2 years. The current one is still working but it's running hot which is great for the winter time. The fan is noisy. The screen went out within a year but got a replacement from Dell. Also Dell support is a joke. The laptop built quality is basically sheet metal forming using aluminum sheet. It got good spec's but the built quality is far none comparing to mbp. If you like a flimsy feel laptop, then Dell is for you.

ok thanks didn't know that. I'll have to locate a store that has the xps15 on display to play with it. I played with the xps 12 at curry's and it felt quite solid.
 
Windows machines are not even a consideration for me and haven't been for a number of years.
 
I took the retina because it serves my needs. With windows on a dell, i have to serve the needs of the computer in doing the regulary update and restart ceremonies and praising the holy god of pop-up-windows. Don't want to waste my time with such a crap anymore.
 
I took the retina because it serves my needs. With windows on a dell, i have to serve the needs of the computer in doing the regulary update and restart ceremonies and praising the holy god of pop-up-windows. Don't want to waste my time with such a crap anymore.

don't want to start an operating system war on this thread, but if you would give win7 or win8 a chance...they are actually quite good OS. I like both OSX and Win. Each has things that work and things that don't work too well.
 
i got the rmbp with has well processor and totally regret getting it. I wish i went for the Dell xps 15.

the first macbook pro got a creaky bottom plate. Apple swapped it for me, and the replacement unit was creaking even worse. I contacted apple care, and the supervisor there was giving me a hard time because I wanted a 2nd replacement unit.
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Apple claims to have good quality but in reality i have never had a laptop with worse build quality before. Many die-hard apple fans just ignore creaking cases and other minor problems... "don't hold your laptop with 1 hand bla bla".

Very disappointed retina macbook pro owner.

Very sorry to hear this, but my experiences with 4x MBPs since Apr-06 have been great.. any issues fixed promptly and very satisfactorily.. All of my 'old MBPs' were sold to good friends when I upgraded, and still being used as far as I know!!

That being said, POOP happens, and if you are Not Happy I'd suggest Returning/Selling and Cutting your Losses, but I use OSX and Windows (on PCs) and sure cannot see me wanting to NOT have a MBP as my Main Machine!!

Good Luck..
 
With such poor Apple experiences, one must wonder why Quu continues to hang around Apple MacBook forums?
 
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