That is true, I've seldom ever seen a review mention any of the nitpicky details we discuss over forums. Most normal, non techy folk wouldn't even know that slight creaking is abnormal, let alone backlight bleed, etc.
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Why would anyone buy a Retina Macbook Pro vs Dell XPS 15?
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That is true, I've seldom ever seen a review mention any of the nitpicky details we discuss over forums. Most normal, non techy folk wouldn't even know that slight creaking is abnormal, let alone backlight bleed, etc.
LOL, dat ad hominem...
Can't come up with a decent argument so you posts troll image?
Jobs would be proud of you.
Nothing troll about that image. Anyone who has ever used windows in the last 20 years knows that screen. I'm sorry but pc's are a terrible experience now and in the past. The only reason macs aren't in more homes is because they are expensive.
I wouldn't agree that PC's are a terrible experience. I find that many folks are always comparing lower end PC quality and experience to a MBP, and for sure the quality can't compare, hence the bad experience. However, the quality in higher end PC's costing as much as a MBP is high.
I've been using Windows PC's for over 30 years, and the experience has improved greatly from the early days. Windows 7 was nice to work on, and I'm finding 8.1 nice also. I can't even remember the last time I've had an IE crash.
Has nothing to do with lower vs. higher quality. The operating system should run efficiently no matter what the specs. If it doesn't then the pc maker and Microsoft are responsible for the bad press they get. Its not just the software its also the hardware. Mouse drivers always have issues and so do trackpads. I shouldn't have to pay over $1000 to get a decent experience. Microsoft needs to dig deep and get rid of some of the processes that make it a bad experience for lower prices. I know most macs are $1000 and above but thats because apple has chosen to stay up market.
It has a lot to do with lower and higher quality. There is a significant difference in testing, evaluation and work driver effort put into the Dell Latitude series compared to cheap inspirons. The operating system can only do so much if the drivers are crap that is it.
The Windows GUI could use some extras but people always complain if MS changes too much. Multi Desktop and a variety of other nifty little features have been around for decades but always only as a little program people that know about it could install themselves. MS never seemed to think people wanted a more powerful GUI. They had code ever since Windows 2000 times. Stuff that shows up on many Linux desktops but never actually put anything into shipping Windows Versions.
Hardware relies on the drivers and that takes work. Manufacturers are just spiraling in this pool of barely breaking even on those cheap models and they fix drivers so the return rate isn't too big and maybe if a huge issue probs up and go to the next level. The more expensive models usually come a few months late for a reason. Those like Thinkpads actually have a reputation to defend. Nobody expects anything from an Inspiron or Ideapad.
The Windows GUI could use some extras but people always complain if MS changes too much. Multi Desktop and a variety of other nifty little features have been around for decades but always only as a little program people that know about it could install themselves. MS never seemed to think people wanted a more powerful GUI. They had code ever since Windows 2000 times. Stuff that shows up on many Linux desktops but never actually put anything into shipping Windows Versions.
Hardware relies on the drivers and that takes work. Manufacturers are just spiraling in this pool of barely breaking even on those cheap models and they fix drivers so the return rate isn't too big and maybe if a huge issue probs up and go to the next level. The more expensive models usually come a few months late for a reason. Those like Thinkpads actually have a reputation to defend. Nobody expects anything from an Inspiron or Ideapad.
That might be, but even now my iMac is better at games than a PS4 + I don't need to buy a TV (for which I don't have any space anyway) or pay for the overpriced PS4 games... Not to mention that there are no console games (besides GTA 5) that I would find interesting.
Also: I didn't get the iMac for playing games - I got it for work; its gaming capability is a nice bonus. The upgrade to 780M cost me around $150 - much less than a console + TV.
Wow I really wanted to side with MBP (Love the last 3 I've had/have) but just checking with the Apple Store I see the 13 MBP non retina is soon to be discontinued. Well guess I need to pick up some 13 " non retina MBPs soon for backup as they also confirmed the new ones not upgradable - memory and ssd drive only. Love the MBP but when thinking of having to buy up front 16GB memory and 1TB ssd or maybe 512GB is max. I'm sure it is a good business decision on Apples' part .... wait did they not take that approach when they ousted Jobs .... Hope that is not a sign of the future..... or maybe just old working stiffs like me who do not relish paying $2400 for a basic work machine need to leave the elete tech...
That is indeed a drawback of Mac, but I personally don't mind it because I've got a PS3 and probably will buy a Xbox One in the future.
The reason why I prefer a Mac over any Windows PC is a better OS. Any Windows PC I've ever used has crashed within two weeks of purchase, my MacBook hasn't crashed after 2 month of use (with much more multitasking).
Also I find the separate drivers you need for everything in Windows quit annoying.
The reason why I prefer a Mac over any Windows PC is a better OS. Any Windows PC I've ever used has crashed within two weeks of purchase, my MacBook hasn't crashed after 2 month of use (with much more multitasking).
Also I find the separate drivers you need for everything in Windows quit annoying.
Love the MBP but when thinking of having to buy up front 16GB memory and 1TB ssd or maybe 512GB is max. I'm sure it is a good business decision on Apples' part .... wait did they not take that approach when they ousted Jobs .... Hope that is not a sign of the future..... or maybe just old working stiffs like me who do not relish paying $2400 for a basic work machine need to leave the elete tech...
thats true, it's really annoying when i had to pay more than $2000 for a 13" rMBP with 512GB SSD & 16GB RAM just because i can't upgrade it in the future .. hope that Apple can do something about that in the future ...
but to admit, Apple Laptops is the best designed laptop that i even seen .. happy holiday everyone ..
LOL! You must be trolling right? My gaming rig is far superior to any console.
You've never experienced any kind of corrupt framebuffer issue in OSX? They do happen. They are not terribly common. That shouldn't be a common issue on Windows either though assuming you aren't updating Windows without updating graphics drivers. You could argue that it's a hassle and Apple bundles updates, but so do most other oems. It really amounts to trolling on your part without anything that resembles a valid argument.
You forgot Boot Camp.
Here's NFS MW by Criterion Games on my 15" MBP on Boot Camp.
Whoever said Mac can't play games...
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Yeah right. When we replace our Macs, we not only upgrade just a certain part, we upgrade other stuff as well. For instance, someone wants to upgrade from a Sandy Bridge MBP with Radeon GPU to a Haswell rMBP with GT750M. Not only is he upgrading the GPU, he's also upgrading to a PCIe SSD, which is faster than anything else you can find on the market. Afaik, only Apple uses PCIe SSDs with read/writes of 750/650 MB/s; everyone else uses the slow SATA3 (read/write: 520/450 MB/s). Oh and did I mention that he's upgrading to a more efficient processor as well?
Hybrid hard drives are a joke. You get a tiny 32GB SSD portion and the rest of it is a slow rotational platter. It's a bloody joke when you're trying to handle a huge 4K video project. I know this because my Dell rig has this. I pay 'ridiculous' prices for a proprietary SSD for the reason outlined above. Oh and the 1TB SSDs from Apple are 4-lane PCIe (faster than the 2-lane 256, 512 and 768 GB SSDs from Apple themselves), with read/writes of over 1GB/s.
You forget that we users here care about performance and the ultimate speed. Price is secondary. We're a bunch of elitists that appreciate good design and quiet performance and we can afford it.
You'd be surprised. If you build it yourself, you can have quite capable gaming PC for 1000-1200$
Boot camp is great! Wish I tried that before wasting money on parallels 8.
No comparison imho.
Camptune is perfect companion. Not just for beginners who incorrectly gauge needed space, but for advanced users also, whose needs change over time.
Exactly, it needs Windows in order to play those games. Kinda proves my point, doesn't it?
Exactly, it needs Windows in order to play those games. Kinda proves my point, doesn't it?
But then we're arguing more about the hardware between the RMBP and the XPS, and less of the OS in general.
What always baffles me isn't "why would anyone buy X vs Y?" so much as "why would you care if someone buys X vs Y?"
A thread like this strikes me as anti-Mac zealotry hoping to convince themselves, for whatever reason, that a MBPr is inferior to make their own purchase feel justified.
I've had Windows PCs, in fact back in 2011 I bought a 2010 MBP and eventually sold it because I wanted to go back to a PC, but now there's no question that my MBPr was a superior purchase. Quick fly-by of my reasoning.
You can't ignore the OS half of things. Mavericks is so much better than Windows 8 it's ridiculous. But at the same time, if you really like Windows, a Mac can run Windows. You can't install OSX on your Dell laptop.
The hardware is also just plain better. I've fiddled with the new XPS and it's still not as solid and reliable feeling. MBPrs just feel like little tanks.
Oh and the whole Retina thing. It's far, far better than a normal Windows screen even at the same resolution just thanks to the way it scales.
A thread like this strikes me as anti-Mac zealotry hoping to convince themselves, for whatever reason, that a MBPr is inferior to make their own purchase feel justified.
I've had Windows PCs, in fact back in 2011 I bought a 2010 MBP and eventually sold it because I wanted to go back to a PC, but now there's no question that my MBPr was a superior purchase. Quick fly-by of my reasoning.
You can't ignore the OS half of things. Mavericks is so much better than Windows 8 it's ridiculous. But at the same time, if you really like Windows, a Mac can run Windows. You can't install OSX on your Dell laptop.
The hardware is also just plain better. I've fiddled with the new XPS and it's still not as solid and reliable feeling. MBPrs just feel like little tanks.
Oh and the whole Retina thing. It's far, far better than a normal Windows screen even at the same resolution just thanks to the way it scales.