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Is that the new Dell with 3200x1800 resolution? Because it doesn't look like it at all.
No it isn't.
It is a complete redesign with a much slimmer case and very different cooling system. The XPS 15 has a very good low noise cooling system while the old Dells used to be plagued by a not really shining in that department.
It is 91wh vs 64wh. 18mm vs 25mm. Completely different hinge. Different touchpad.
15z:
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new 2013 XPS 15
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Those two don't have much incommon.
 
Very sorry to hear this, but my experiences with 4x MBPs since Apr-06 have been great.. any issues fixed promptly and very satisfactorily.. All of my 'old MBPs' were sold to good friends when I upgraded, and still being used as far as I know!!

That being said, POOP happens, and if you are Not Happy I'd suggest Returning/Selling and Cutting your Losses, but I use OSX and Windows (on PCs) and sure cannot see me wanting to NOT have a MBP as my Main Machine!!

Good Luck..

thanks a lot. I hope my next replacement will be better because I really like working on osx.
 
don't want to start an operating system war on this thread, but if you would give win7 or win8 a chance...they are actually quite good OS. I like both OSX and Win. Each has things that work and things that don't work too well.

No windows operating system competes with Apple OS. First you have to run virus software that bogs down the system, they always come full of bloat and don't run well once uninstalled, constant crashes. This all makes for an unpleasant experience.
 
don't want to start an operating system war on this thread, but if you would give win7 or win8 a chance...they are actually quite good OS. I like both OSX and Win. Each has things that work and things that don't work too well.

Join the club, there's no need for war they happily co-exist - Win 7 for me is the first comparable OS to a Mac OS there has been. Installing via bootcamp and doing a few tweaks you get a nice clean build of OS and it runs great on a MBP. Only battery life is a shocker but I have a 17 inch so it's more than good enough to use.

Like all Dell's it's quite straightforward to do a clean install on the XPS and remove the OEM bloatware and also install 7x64 instead of 'Hate' or Hate point one. I use Dell's for most of my desktops and servers I quote for clients, their business range of laptops are still good for my clients also. But the XPS models I've always found them to have problems with overheating, I think I have three models in my graveyard, all with GPU failures outside of warranty.

On another point I reckon I've handled over 20 retina MBP since launch and I've yet to find one that was built badly. The creaking can be cured normally by undoing the bottom screws and putting the bottom case on correctly!
 
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I'll give my 0,02 €, even though in a thread of this length, I do not expect anyone to notice.

I easily come off as a :apple: -fanboy (apple-wh*re is more commonly used term here), because I have the full spectrum: From an iPod Nano (6th gen) on my wrist, through iPhones, iPads to :apple: laptops and desktops.

The reason why I resent the being branded a fanboy is that I consider myself a critical consumer. Literally every time I am considering getting some new gear/replacing some existing gear, I shop around, assiduously.

- a recent example: after having originally gotten an iPad (1), to check whether it could be used for work, I identified two problem areas: processing power and screen resolution (I need to read a lot of documents and only my hindsight is 20/20). Being economically constricted I systematically went through the offering in high-resolution Windows- and Android-tablets. I even cut a deal with one supplier who rented the two most attractive units for a weekend so that I could field-test them. In the end I took a iPad Air (wireless), and I'll go on paying for 24 months, because it offered the only fluid solution.

- a current example: I am actively looking for a laptop to replace my aging 2010 13" MBP, I do not mind the weight so much, but the screen on that machine honestly sucks. I guess I could make do with a 13" MBA, but as I said, my eyesight is not what it could be, and I do not actually prefer smaller pixels unless they are "divided pixels" (as in retina). I have a big retailer situated between my office and my child's daycare and I go there two times a month, to sample the offering.

- I have to say I feel confused by the plethora of designs and idiotic model names of the offerings from manufacturers such as Sony, Asus, Acer, HP and Samsung. You might consider this to be a non-issue, but in my experience, it is not. Especially if you want to be able to DIY anything, the sheer number of variants becomes a problem (I recently tried to get some replacement parts for my venerable Thinkpad X40 and just sent my BP through the roof... I would not want to try it with a Sony SVP1321B6EB.AE1)

- In terms of design, many Windows laptops have taken great strides and the workmanship seems to have improved, but Apple's advantage lies in the combination of workmanship, components, integration and materials.

- Can I get it with XP? No. How about Win7? I admit being partial to XP, and I feel somewhat comfortable with Win7, but IMNSHO Win8 is worse than Vista. Whenever I have a touch&feel -session with some prospective gear, the anticlimax comes when I open the lid. I admit, I'm not as experienced with Win8 as with most others, and I'm sure I could learn, but why should I? WinXP was a no-brainer (coming from W2K), Vista was XP with added complications, Win7 was Vista + "lessons from Vista", but Win8 is pure pain. We have an IT support of sorts at work (you takes a ticket and you waits...), so I regularly have to help people who come knocking, and we have a wide range of systems, but I'm seriously considering hanging a paper on my door saying:
If you have trouble with your mac, welcome.
If you have trouble with Windows XP, Vista or 7, bring money.
If you have trouble with Windows 8, turn around.

- Touchscreens... On paper, it's an attractive proposition and I use a touchscreen daily (on my iPad), but I've yet to see an implementation in a laptop which works. The tracking is usually jittery (how can't they get that fixed), and especially if your breadwinner is to surf wikipedia-pages, you might like it, but the simple fact is that your hands are not resting on the bezels of your screen. They are below the keyboard, and your display is not made for fingers (I usually glare at people who dare leave fingerprints on my display). Besides, do this experiment:
- stretch out your secondary arm (you can leave the primary resting on your mouse/trackpad) until it goes horizontal with your shoulderline.
- now keep that arm there for a few minutes. Feel the strain? That feeling is your body's way of telling you that your arm actually weighs somewhat, and that you're straining your muscles. Soon your shoulders will start reacting too.

- Did you notice, that I did not mention Dell among the hardware I fondle? Well, the reason is, Dell seems always to have considered the finnish market unattractive, and machines are not available except by online order, but they have a hideous reputation for reliability and their customer service is basically a joke unless you're a corporate customer big enough for them to care a rat's behind...

RGDS,
 
No windows operating system competes with Apple OS. First you have to run virus software that bogs down the system, they always come full of bloat and don't run well once uninstalled, constant crashes. This all makes for an unpleasant experience.

These are all myths. You clearly haven't run Win7, which is frankly a quite good operating system.
 
Yeah, but they won't sell it to me no more.

Yes Windows 8 was the thing that tipped me over the edge. I've been a DOS/Windows users since MS-DOS was invented (prior to that I was working with MVS but that's another story).

Windows 7 is/was a very good OS and I still have a couple of machines running it - I also support a few networks with Win 7 workstations. Luckily I have a Technet subscription and I was able to install and fully test Windows 8 and 8.1 and for me, they have lost the plot.

I've also spent a fair amount of time working with Xenix/Unix systems and dabbled in Linux not long ago - was pretty good but the hoops that I had to jump through to get simple things to work was disappointing. I have supported Macs in the past, usually as a part of Windows networks - we had a spare Mac Mini at work so I fired it up and mucked around with OSX for a few days and found that I could do everything that I needed to do with less effort than on Windows 8.1.

So I was in the market for a new laptop and started looking at Macbook Pro's - went into a store and had "a feel", enjoyed the experience and so here I am rMBP 13" 2.6/8/512 and very happy.
 
Yes Windows 8 was the thing that tipped me over the edge. I've been a DOS/Windows users since MS-DOS was invented (prior to that I was working with MVS but that's another story).

Windows 7 is/was a very good OS and I still have a couple of machines running it - I also support a few networks with Win 7 workstations. Luckily I have a Technet subscription and I was able to install and fully test Windows 8 and 8.1 and for me, they have lost the plot.

I've also spent a fair amount of time working with Xenix/Unix systems and dabbled in Linux not long ago - was pretty good but the hoops that I had to jump through to get simple things to work was disappointing. I have supported Macs in the past, usually as a part of Windows networks - we had a spare Mac Mini at work so I fired it up and mucked around with OSX for a few days and found that I could do everything that I needed to do with less effort than on Windows 8.1.

So I was in the market for a new laptop and started looking at Macbook Pro's - went into a store and had "a feel", enjoyed the experience and so here I am rMBP 13" 2.6/8/512 and very happy.

Same experience here. Windows 8 is awful. How they think that all those squares are useful is beyond me. It's so disorganized, since I'm a little OCD anyway, it drives me up the wall. I don't want to see my "tiles" spinning with the latest Facebook messages... I want to have a clean screen. Obviously M$ knew this, cause they brought back the start button, etc. But they should have made Windows 8 much better. I mean, come on, the indexing on the Mac BLOWS AWAY windows. I have many Windows machines, and I have to let them "sit" every once in a while because "indexing" is going on in the background. Not once in the 6 months I've had my Mac did I have to wait around cause things got unresponsive due to indexing.

This is my first Apple since the Apple II!!! So yes, showing my age, but also showing that I've had Windows machines for years. The experience between Windows 7 and OS X is similar, but you don't have to reinstall OS X every now and again when things get too "bloated".

How about just shutting the lid and coming back later-- windows 7 gave me problems with this day after day. It restores what you were doing, after you sit there for 10 minutes waiting for it to reload everything.

The Mac is just a smoother experience. I do have Bootcamp, and I still run Windows 7. But unless I'm forced to for work purposes, I will never buy a Windows 8 machine. Bleck.

EDIT: Let's not forget about "windows updates". The list is like two miles long on my Win 7 machines, and there's always some snag. "Can't install windows update KB83764839272929blahblahblah." I'm done spending hours trying to fix an update, and also just how long the updates take is ridiculous.
 
I really think those Windows 8 complaints just stupid.

What does Windows 8 not have that 7 has? The Startmenu. OSX doesn't have it either. If you use Spotlight on OSX, why not use the search function on Windows instead of that eagle eye search system start menu nonsense.

Windows 8 has a much better Taskmanager with Startup menu for quickly shutting down all the nonsense that shouldn't autostart. Much easier to maintain. Nobody has to use Modern UI Apps, all the others are still here. You get a better Taskbar for multiple monitors, better explorer with some neat useful extras and a much improved copy function.

People get hung up on Modern UI apps as if you had to use them. The food and dining app is clean and nice, I don't use anything else on it other than sometimes the pdf viewer(because it is like 10 times faster than preview or adobe desktop software). The start screen performance is always top in ever situation I ever found myself in. The search function in Win8.1 at least equals what Win7 had in the startmenu. Everything is fast enough to hit "w,o,enter" to start word in rapid succession. Every bit as fast as Spotlight.

The Desktop on Windows 8 definitely beats the one of Windows 7 and anybody who can deal with 7 should really do fine or better with 8. Especially anybody who thinks OSX isn't complete crap. Even the notifications and stuff are more neatly packaged (open program, wifi,..) on the win8 desktop on the side panel popup.

If I read stuff like this, I just feel said for whoever has to rely on that particular IT department.
WinXP was a no-brainer (coming from W2K), Vista was XP with added complications, Win7 was Vista + "lessons from Vista", but Win8 is pure pain. We have an IT support of sorts at work (you takes a ticket and you waits...), so I regularly have to help people who come knocking, and we have a wide range of systems, but I'm seriously considering hanging a paper on my door saying:
If you have trouble with your mac, welcome.
If you have trouble with Windows XP, Vista or 7, bring money.
If you have trouble with Windows 8, turn around.
The modern UI should never be a problem and the remaining problems are in essence no different than 7 or vista issues. The modern UI itself should somone ever want to do something with it is dead simple and in most cases just lacks functionality (i.e. Mail in Modern UI was so lacking when Win8 first came out, you couldn't really use it, I didn't test it since but it is certainly simple to use)

Obviously M$ knew this, cause they brought back the start button, etc. But they should have made Windows 8 much better.
They didn't really bring back anything. All they did is make a button where there used to be (on the exact same place) an invisible one. The corner was the button but the functionality is exactly the same.

PS: I do have my own complaints about Windows 8 and 8.1 but the ones that usually show I find rather ridiculous and my complaints apply to 7 too or just go for more functionality beyond what they did. I.e. I still don't get why there is no background scrolling in Windows at least as an option.
 
I really think those Windows 8 complaints just stupid.

What does Windows 8 not have that 7 has? The Startmenu. OSX doesn't have it either. If you use Spotlight on OSX, why not use the search function on Windows instead of that eagle eye search system start menu nonsense.

Windows 8 has a much better Taskmanager with Startup menu for quickly shutting down all the nonsense that shouldn't autostart. Much easier to maintain. Nobody has to use Modern UI Apps, all the others are still here. You get a better Taskbar for multiple monitors, better explorer with some neat useful extras and a much improved copy function.

People get hung up on Modern UI apps as if you had to use them. The food and dining app is clean and nice, I don't use anything else on it other than sometimes the pdf viewer(because it is like 10 times faster than preview or adobe desktop software). The start screen performance is always top in ever situation I ever found myself in. The search function in Win8.1 at least equals what Win7 had in the startmenu. Everything is fast enough to hit "w,o,enter" to start word in rapid succession. Every bit as fast as Spotlight.

The Desktop on Windows 8 definitely beats the one of Windows 7 and anybody who can deal with 7 should really do fine or better with 8. Especially anybody who thinks OSX isn't complete crap. Even the notifications and stuff are more neatly packaged (open program, wifi,..) on the win8 desktop on the side panel popup.

If I read stuff like this, I just feel said for whoever has to rely on that particular IT department.

The modern UI should never be a problem and the remaining problems are in essence no different than 7 or vista issues. The modern UI itself should somone ever want to do something with it is dead simple and in most cases just lacks functionality (i.e. Mail in Modern UI was so lacking when Win8 first came out, you couldn't really use it, I didn't test it since but it is certainly simple to use)

They didn't really bring back anything. All they did is make a button where there used to be (on the exact same place) an invisible one. The corner was the button but the functionality is exactly the same.

PS: I do have my own complaints about Windows 8 and 8.1 but the ones that usually show I find rather ridiculous and my complaints apply to 7 too or just go for more functionality beyond what they did. I.e. I still don't get why there is no background scrolling in Windows at least as an option.

I agree on many of the aspects that are improved in 8 and 8.1 but the start menu for desktop users that had been fine tuned over years was just thrown away in favour of metro, no rollback option unlike every OS since 98 was just a plain stupid idea for those users who don't want a tablet menu or run apps full screen. The start which even in 8.1 guise I find very hard and unproductive to use just like practically every single client of mine, even worse with a large monitor like I use.

Though thankfully at long long last Microsoft are finally listening to their users and the market with prospect of Windows 8.2.

http://m.winsupersite.com/windows-8/further-changes-coming-windows-threshold

I'm already really looking forward to 8.2 RC, hopefully it won't be a halfway fudge and let down that 8.1 was for me and my clients.
 
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I too don't really see what all the hatred for Windows 8 or 8.1 is about.
If you've got a touchscreen then 8/8.1 is fine.
If you don't have a touchscreen (like me) ignore it! In 8.1 you never even have to look at it if you don't want to.

I understand that some MS systems have been a load of ****
For the amount of time XP was around it was a pile of junk.
Vista - well, let's not go there!

Windows 7 was great - a real breath of fresh air imho.

One major downside with MS is the number of times you need to restart after installing updates. In these times that's a bit of a joke, really.

Windows 8/8.1 is an improved Windows 7 once the Metro is ignored.

Just my 2 cents worth :)
 
Apple provides a user experience that is unmatched by Microsoft/Dell right now, or just about anybody. User experience, not specs and boot up times. Some people don't care about that, but that's why you would choose a Mac over a Windows machine.

With that said, I use Windows everyday and it's nowhere near as bad as people are making it up to be. My Windows machines even boot up faster than my Mac so go figure. Software tend to stink with older hardware. With new hardware, both are good platforms.
 
I run it at work everyday and its garbage. Takes 3 minutes to boot, crashes, needs constant tech support, losses files, and is a hot mess.

Assuming you're telling the truth about using it every day at work, there are a few possibilities:
• You have a mucked up system
• You're running on old, crappy hardware
• Your IT department has put junk on your system that's created these problems
• User error and/or being blinded by one's ideological beliefs

On an SSD, Win7 starts up extremely quickly. I never need any "tech support" on it. I've never lost any files. So what's more likely? That I and users like me have a magical Win7 that descended from the heavens and runs well? Or that something isn't right on your end?
 
Im not going to read all the comments in this thread but its simple. You can't run OSX on the dell but I can run win on the Mac. Simple as that for me.
 
Microsoft OS price is a joke and OSX is cheap and free. :apple:
OSX is included in the hardware price. The upgrades haven't been free until Mavericks either. Microsoft is a software company so they charge for the software as they simply cannot hide the price inside of some hardware. If you buy hardware, Windows usually comes bundled with it. No different than OSX.
 
OSX is included in the hardware price. The upgrades haven't been free until Mavericks either. Microsoft is a software company so they charge for the software as they simply cannot hide the price inside of some hardware. If you buy hardware, Windows usually comes bundled with it. No different than OSX.

That makes sense. Thank you, dusk007. :apple:
 
I am struggling to determine why I should get the Haswell Retina Macbook Pro, as much as I want to, but the research and the specs seems to want me to get the Dell XPS 15 instead... please help!

Not sure if I'm being baited into a troll thread, but really, Dell isn't anywhere in the same league, let alone the same ballpark, as Apple.

Do a google search for the best laptop money can buy and you'll find that the links will point to reviews from the top tech sites all saying the same thing - that the Apple 15 inch rMBP is the best laptop you can buy right now.
 
Not sure if I'm being baited into a troll thread, but really, Dell isn't anywhere in the same league, let alone the same ballpark, as Apple.

Do a google search for the best laptop money can buy and you'll find that the links will point to reviews from the top tech sites all saying the same thing - that the Apple 15 inch rMBP is the best laptop you can buy right now.

But those tech sites fail to mention the various problems... Which can range from creaking to severe yellow tint on the screen.
 
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