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Wifi issues with Macbook Pro withVega Pro 20
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No its my MacBook Pro
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This is after the split
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Any recommendations for a possible mesh? I am leaning towards google mesh
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866 is one of the highest you can get...yep, defiantly looks fixed vs the 54 that you have. Just keep it named separately & you'll be fine. A little research & you'll learn that those of us who split it & don't make it easy have better network performance.
Thanks. It’s only using 2 antennas to connect. That might be ok, depending on the configuration, but it’s not ideal. Regardless, if that’s correct, based on the configuration, I’m surprised the iPhone is getting such high scores.
For the avoidance of all doubt, if right now you turn off the other velop devices in the mesh so only one is turned on, and then restart the MBPro, then restart the performance test on the MBPro, then the iPhone, then the MBPro again, you still get the same results? Around 600 up/down on the iPhone and 270/140 on the MBPro, while you have both in front of you? Just looking to see how consistent that is.
For the avoidance of all doubt, if right now you turn off the other velop devices in the mesh so only one is turned on, and then restart the MBPro, then restart the performance test on the MBPro, then the iPhone, then the MBPro again, you still get the same results? Around 600 up/down on the iPhone and 270/140 on the MBPro, while you have both in front of you? Just looking to see how consistent that is.
Iphone is getting around the same as before and the MBPro is fluctuating between 250 and 270. I am so frustrated, Any recommendations on a new mesh? I heard good things about Google mesh. Since I have weekly chemotherapy, I am working from home, Therefore, I need a reliable download and upload.
Thanks for doing the test again.
I have seen issues with the iMac Pro and MacBook Pro having issues with the Velop. It saying it’s real, but it might be. They both share the same wifi chipset (iMac Pro and MBPro).
First thing - do you really need a mesh? As you can see, they can be complex, so if not, don’t use one.
Second thing - I don’t use a mesh, but I’ve heard questionable things about the Velop and good things about Google.
Lastly, any macOS devices kicking around?
Actually, 866 is probably the limit of that mesh as well as most meshs. I haven't looked into the MacBook to determine how many antennas it has, but there are a few things that can limit it. First, you're never going to get full speed as there's a two way factor. This used to be a heavy play with legacy extender. In legacy backhaul, if you had 800 for example, you actually only had 400 due to the two way stream. This is pretty much not the case anymore with everyone developing different protocols to help with this extension. So your limits fall into one of these many categories:
1) limited antennas in the device (most have one capping at 433)
2) split direct connection to the first router (if you have 866 on the router & a lot of activities, it would drop that down significantly)
3) shared bandwidth on the backhaul (same as above) or 2 Band Satellite &/or Master router.
4) poorly configured backhaul (autoselection is often poor. The backhaul could have a much slower rate than the actual wifi from the repeater...they pick either low channels or high channels. I have an extender that allows me to pick & I get better performance as the high channels establish a higher connection rate between routers)
5) lack of dedicated backhaul (some mesh systems only have 1 5GHz & 1 2GHz. If you share the backhaul, the multi-antennas, usually 2, are split between the backhaul & other devices. Your backhaul is instantly halved in bandwidth because of that...it no longer utilizes the max number of antennas)
6) More than 2 nodes on a mesh (this is similar to #5. If you have two 5GHz bands, one is the backhaul. The first satellite utilizes that backhaul at 100%. If you have another node repeating off the master router or the first satellite, one antenna tied to that backhaul has to be dedicated to the second node...again, half speed. The other option they can design is turn the second 5GHz channel on the satellite to a second backhaul & have everything connect to the 2.4GHz channel...but then you're limited to the 2.4GHz speeds with are worse.
7) 2.4GHz as the backhaul...yep, that is a thing & is really slow.
So what I'm doing is I have an Asus RT-AC3200 as the master & the Netgear EX8000 as the satellite The EX8000 is identical hardware to the Oribi & both the Asus & Netgear are triband. despite this, my speed is capped at somewhere around 1300 & after setting up their stations, drops to between 750 & 866. My max subscription speed is 300 MBps & usually drops to around 250-280 due to network saturation with other devices connected to the satellite. So basically, I wouldn't recommend changing your network yet.
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The ideal solution would be a 4-band network (or double the antennas on the backhaul) with 3-band trailing nodes & a 3-Band master noe designed in a line or ring. Basically, you'd want 3 high speed networks & the 2.4GHz. With 4 bands, you can have two dedicated backhauls without splitting the speed between two connecting devices. The master & the trailing device would not need the extra because it should only connect to one device unless the master is in the middle of a very long hallway.
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I have a 2012 MBPro (top specs), I just turned it back on. I performed the same test and it's getting 250 downloads. I usually turned off any other MacOS devices as to not compromise the speeds.
The reason I have A MESH, its because of the walls on my home, they seemed to interfere with the signal. Do you recommend getting away from the mesh system?
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Thank you for the explanation, but can you direct me as to which set up is better? you mentioned the turning one of the 5GHZ bands as a possible solution. Maybe getting a better mesh, maybe Google? I like your ideal solution, but can you please explain it better. Sorry, I am trying to understand but chemotherapy has me a bit wiped. Thank you so much for your suggestions.
Thanks. Yeah that’s too old. Thanks though. I wa ps hoping you might have a 2014 or newer kicking around. But no sweat, thanks anyway.
Is it lathe and plaster?
The key issue you want to try to avoid is using wifi to extend wifi, because there is only a finite amount of wifi space available. Usually that's what they do.
But unfortunately we're being bombarded with radio waves all the time, and the landscape is always changing because some routers will pick and choose specific channels based on an assessment, and then move to other channels when they see fit. So you can spend a bunch of time today looking at the networks that might be competing with you for bandwidth and setting your channels etc., and then tomorrow a bunch have moved around. So to properly manage one radio can be a challenge, but with a mesh you may be needed to manage three networks. Or more, depending how it is setup.
And I find that the auto channel selection algorithms seem to be weak. Maybe I'm not privy to all the variables that they're using, but I know that there are instances when a channel is picked that appears to have other active networks on it. It could be argued that my particular router has weak channel selection algorithms, but I suspect it's not a unique issues to my router because even if it was, the other routers with "good" algorithms should move around mine, if mine is making poor choices. I'm not sure if the issue is timing or what. I just question some of the choices. So again, if dodgy choices are being made automatically on one network, then imagine dodgy choices being made on all three. (Or more, if you see your neighbours wifi).
So for a robust wifi deployment do you just half-arse it and pick channels without doing a proper survey? Or do you pick channels after a proper survey and then repeat regularly to validate changes in the radio landscape? Or do you just trust that the mesh devices will manage this all by themselves?
I'm not saying that they're all crap. But I have heard of issues with the Velop and the iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro. Maybe there is nothing there and it's coincidence.
Anyway. mesh would be my last resort, but if I needed it I'd buy from somewhere with a good return policy. I live in an apartment, I don't need mesh. If I had to expand my wifi network I would use an Ethernet (ie, non-radio) connection to bridge the access points together. I believe most of them support that option too, it just means running wires. Basically you want to offload as much traffic as you can from the radio. Use the radios for mobility where needed, but don't use it between fixed devices if you can avoid it.
How much bandwidth are you paying for? I usually don't hear anything above 300 unless you're a web host. How big is your house & how many walls are between where your modem is & the far point you need wifi?
Eero is better though.
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Netgears mesh orbi is junk. Too many firmware and reliability issues. I had it and left for eero and all my issues went away. Eero is designed by ex apple employees.
I went with Eero for mesh myself. Purchased back in August. So far it’s been really good. I wasn’t aware that Nick Weever had ever worked for Apple. Either way, been happy with it.
I have a 2018 MacBook Pro, and Google WiFi mesh with a Comcast gigabit ISP connection. I just ran this. Google is reliable, but not the very fastest IMHO - I am happy with it though as it is consistent and overcomes dead zones in the house. If I connect this MacBook Pro by ethernet to the cable modem, I get 900 Mbps or so download. The speed demon from what I have seen is the Netgear Nighthawk XR700, although watch out for the Asus ROG Rapture GT-AX11000 which is coming soon.
From my 2018 MBVP - this is pretty good and more than ample for anything, with WiFi.
From my 2018 MBVP - this is pretty good and more than ample for anything, with WiFi.
I am paying for 1 Gigabite Verizon Fios. My house there are two walls between my Verizon modem and my studio where I do all of my work. It is a two floor home.
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Wow my MBPro is inconsistent but I think its the Vellops system. I had a three hour discussion with them and was told that the two node units might be defective. They are erratic and I was asked to switch them around and the speeds were again inconsistent. I might just get the google mesh. At least it offers better speeds
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Here are the transmit rates standing three feet from the second node. I have taken this photos every 10 seconds. As you can see the numbers are so volatile.
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I think you could get away from getting a master router & a repeater. The downside is that I don't think you'll be able to pull off much more than 350ish with a good system now. 5G just doesn't cut through walls & AX an the other new system are not fully ready. One can only work well in line of sight, but the other (I think AX) will utilize more bands to have a higher rate. That's what you will need eventually. There's no AX repeaters yet, though.
[doublepost=1543181685][/doublepost]There's another problem with the Velop unit I discovered...they don't connect in the correct order. My system would connect the master from one side of the house to the furthest side of the house, then reach back to the one in the center of the house. This crippled my speed.
Yes I agreed. The Lynksis representative is sending me two new nodes. It appears that the ones that I got from Best Buy are defective. A possible scenario is that someone at Best Buy exchanged defectives ones with the package I bought. The Lynksis representative said that it has happened before.
Keep in mind you should only get half of what your transmit rate is on your device. This is caused by a lot of real world scenario stuff. You should be getting between 250 & 350 & your transmit rate.
When I had my 2015 MBP, I had great speeds on my EERO network. I can't show you till I get my new 2018 one in, but I can once it gets here. Some MESH networks are not up to par like the one you have.
Yea I think I should be getting the speeds you mentioned but the numbers are way too volatile. I was told that I can return the Lynksis back to Best Buy, should I get the google mesh, the Eeros or get the Netgear Nighthawk XR7000. Best Buy admit it via phone call that there is been complaints bout defective Lynksis nodes aka (Best Buy staff are exchanging and putting defectives ones) It was not said directly but more like verbally implied throughout the discussion.
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Yea I think I should be getting the speeds you mentioned but the numbers are way too volatile. I was told that I can return the Lynksis back to Best Buy, should I get the google mesh, the Eeros or get the Netgear Nighthawk XR7000. Best Buy admit it via phone call that there is been complaints bout defective Lynksis nodes aka (Best Buy staff are exchanging and putting defectives ones) It was not said directly but more like verbally implied throughout the discussion.When I had my 2015 MBP, I had great speeds on my EERO network. I can't show you till I get my new 2018 one in, but I can once it gets here. Some MESH networks are not up to par like the one you have.
Hmm. Go to smallnetbuilder & check out the reviews on different products. The only mesh I actually messed with was the Velop & I was not happy. I think you will be better off with just two walls using a non-mesh linear repeater system. For that, you'd want a good extender, preferably wired if possible. How old is your house?
My house was built in the 1970s. If I was two get two walls, which I think it's a better deal. What brand will you suggest? I am not tech savvy. Thanks for all your help and all the people in this community.
I can promise you from using Orbi and Eero, you will get through those walls fine with either. But if you want reliability, get EERO. It costs more, but its worth it. EERO Pro system.