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Sometimes I unlock my 3GS and it takes 15 seconds before anything happens. Once that happens, it takes maybe another 8 seconds to open the music app.

It's pretty slow on 5.0.1. I think this is the end of the line for updates.

Something is wrong with your phone. You need to do a clean restore. When I had the 3GS it ran smooth and fast on 5.0.1, better than 4.anything.
 
Something is wrong with your phone. You need to do a clean restore. When I had the 3GS it ran smooth and fast on 5.0.1, better than 4.anything.

I'm restoring as a fresh iPhone and I'll try that for a day or so. I also have about 50 backups from the past year that I could restore from if I want to so some experimenting.

It's possible that I restored from a different iPhone models backup. Back in December, I sold four iPhones so I could replace them with new phones that were not banned from creating new iTunes accounts. Apple disabled my ID back in October and then banned my devices from ever being able to create new accounts. I sold the computers and the phones to get new ones to get around that.
 
I'm restoring as a fresh iPhone and I'll try that for a day or so. I also have about 50 backups from the past year that I could restore from if I want to so some experimenting.

It's possible that I restored from a different iPhone models backup. Back in December, I sold four iPhones so I could replace them with new phones that were not banned from creating new iTunes accounts. Apple disabled my ID back in October and then banned my devices from ever being able to create new accounts. I sold the computers and the phones to get new ones to get around that.

What the hell did you do to get banned
 
What the hell did you do to get banned

Back then I was using Paypal as my payment method. Got some charges that I never made on my account and I opened up a Paypal dispute. Apple refunded my money and claimed that I had opened up about 200 other accounts all with negative balances, owing about $4500 in charges.

They asked me for all the CC#s that I ever used on my account, I gave that to them and they still claimed that I opened all those other accounts. They then proceeded to ban my cards also so when I created a new account, not only were my cards banned but so were my computers/phones.

I finally sold everything and bought new phones/computers and have been using the iTunes store since December 26th. I'm very cautious now and will never use Paypal. I have a refillable AMEX card that is free to use and loads money from my checking account automatically so even if someone does hack my account, they won't get to far. I just keep enough on the card to cover my purchases each week.
 
The 3Gs and 4 are the same architecture, but the iPhone 2G through the iPhone 3G are of a different kind. The iPod Touch 2G and newer are ARM7 devices while the iPhone 3G and older are ARM6 devices. You cannot run an ARM7 only binary on a ARM6 CPU. Check your facts before spouting incorrect information next time. While the iPhone 4 is faster at most things, graphic intensive games are still faster on the 3Gs. Why? The same GPU has to drive 1/4 as many pixels.

Same basic architecture: ARM. That's what I was referring to. I know there's a lot of variation within the ARM architecture, but it's the same underlying thing. I'm not just spouting off information without knowing what I'm talking about. It's like the difference between Pentiums and the Core series. There are some big and fundamental differences, but they're all still x86 processors.

From my own personal experience, every iPhone 4 I've used has done pretty much everything faster than my 3G iPod Touch (32 GB), which is itself usually a hair faster than the iPhone 3GS. Everything I've read also talks about the enhanced graphic power (as well as CPU power) of the 4 over the 3GS. If that's wrong, I'll accept it just fine; I'm simply speaking to the best of my experiences and knowledge.

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Heres the comparison you should be referencing. Yeah the 4 is like 1 second faster in load times but its not SIGNIFICANT

Great video. I've seen others that show a greater disparity between the 4 and 3GS. I've seen others that show even less of a disparity. Also, in anything that takes up decent power, the 4 was at minimum 2 seconds faster, sometimes more. That's a decent bump.
 
From my own personal experience, every iPhone 4 I've used has done pretty much everything faster than my 3G iPod Touch (32 GB), which is itself usually a hair faster than the iPhone 3GS. Everything I've read also talks about the enhanced graphic power (as well as CPU power) of the 4 over the 3GS. If that's wrong, I'll accept it just fine; I'm simply speaking to the best of my experiences and knowledge.

The 3Gs and iPhone 4 have the exact same GPU. Play a graphically intensive game like RealRacing or Asphalt 6 and you'll see the 3Gs have an easier time rendering the racing experience, but the 4 will load things faster.
 
The 3Gs and iPhone 4 have the exact same GPU. Play a graphically intensive game like RealRacing or Asphalt 6 and you'll see the 3Gs have an easier time rendering the racing experience, but the 4 will load things faster.

That's interesting, especially because that hasn't been my experience. Things like Real Racing and Infinity Blade have played noticeably smoother on iPhone 4 hardware than on 3GS hardware when I've done it.
 
That's interesting, especially because that hasn't been my experience. Things like Real Racing and Infinity Blade have played noticeably smoother on iPhone 4 hardware than on 3GS hardware when I've done it.

The 3Gs, iPod Touch 3G, iPhone 4, iPod Touch 4G, Apple TV 2G, and iPad 1 all share the same GPU, the PowerVR SGX 535. This was Apple's first upgrade from the PowerVR MBX Lite 3D. While the iPhone 4S and iPad 2 have the PowerVR SGX 543 MP2.
 
I didn't think it would get iOS 5 at all. Unless Apple is revising a business technique to support models for as long as possible(iMac G3 anyone?) the 3Gs is nearing the EOL stage.
 
Well, if you don't know, then don't say you do.

You need to check your facts. The iPhone 4 is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the 3GS. Technically they are the same architecture, but so are the original iPhone and the iPhone 4S. By your logic, we should expect iOS 5 to run on the original iPhone.

There are large speed differences between the iPhone 4 and 3GS. I think by "same architecture" you meant "essentially the same hardware" and nothing could be further from the truth. Why do you think that Infinity Blade II enables certain graphic features on the iPhone 4 and not the 3GS? Because they're prejudiced?

You have no clue what you're talking about and you pathetically grasp at tiny straws.
 
I highly highly doubt it, iOS5 runs a little slow on my friends 3GS. It even runs a little slow on my Mrs iPhone4.

I'd like to hope so!
 
I suspect it will, minus any major new features like Siri of course.

iOS is fairly mature now, and the 3G-S has the same RAM as the 4, which will support it. the 3G-S is also still being sold - people are going to be on contract with them for at least a couple of years, so they will require security updates at the very least.

given apple tends to drop an old iOS once the new one is released, i reckon this means it will get iOS 6, if only for the security updates it will provide for the duration of people's contracts.

I had 5.0 on my 3G-S and it was fine, after doing a wipe and reinstall. It had a few issues upgrading, but then again i ran development betas on it prior to golden master, so that couldn't have helped.

The only reason I upgraded to a 4-S is because the battery died, and it was well out of warranty...


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Performance for me on 5.0 was better than 4.x on my 3G-s. Those of you with phones running like crap need to do a factory restore and clean reinstall. Or get rid of the jailbreak crap on it.
 
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A stunning argument of logic and facts. I bow to your obviously superior knowledge.

Oh, wait, that was an ad hominem attack...

You, with your big words again...

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I suspect it will, minus any major new features like Siri of course.

iOS is fairly mature now, and the 3G-S has the same RAM as the 4, which will support it. the 3G-S is also still being sold - people are going to be on contract with them for at least a couple of years, so they will require security updates at the very least.

given apple tends to drop an old iOS once the new one is released, i reckon this means it will get iOS 6, if only for the security updates it will provide for the duration of people's contracts.

I had 5.0 on my 3G-S and it was fine. The only reason I upgraded to a 4-S is because the battery died, and it was well out of warranty...

Actually 3GS has less RAM than the 4. 256MB vs 512MB, but everything else is the same, the CPU is underclocked by 200MHz but it's the same CPU nonetheless.

As some people already mentioned 3GS runs iOS 5 just fine, if you do a clean restore it works just fine.

And as you and somebody else here mentioned, the phone is still being sold, this is the first time Apple has 3 iPhones on sale, I doubt they'd cut the support for it. It's very un-Apple like.
 
The 3Gs and iPhone 4 have the exact same GPU. Play a graphically intensive game like RealRacing or Asphalt 6 and you'll see the 3Gs have an easier time rendering the racing experience, but the 4 will load things faster.

No doubt the 4 onwards is somewhat faster and can run 3d games better.

For those not running 3d games however, the 3G-s has more than enough power to run 6.0, unless they make some drastic redesign. Most of the core features in iOS are there; a new version is not going to be drastically slower unless apple seriously screw up or add some new feature to the OS *AND* enable it on the 3G-s.

Additionally, apple have been doing a lot of work with CLANG to make it generate better code, which I suspect was responsible for the speed-up between iOS4 and iOS5. The updates to CLANG within the last 12 months have been ongoing and significant.



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Actually 3GS has less RAM than the 4. 256MB vs 512MB, but everything else is the same, the CPU is underclocked by 200MHz but it's the same CPU nonetheless.

I stand corrected. I thought the jump to 512mb was with the 4-S....
 
Even if the 3GS got iOS 6 would it induce fragmentation not being able to run future high end 3d games and such?

Why bother using better and faster hardware if we will always be limited to the older technology?

I don't know how well infinity blade and such runs on a 3GS but I'd hope that's not the best iOS 5 and 6 will ever offer.
 
Anyway, 3GS screen resolution is lower so it can handle games well. The thing about iOS is that is customized to the phone. The iOS 5 for iPhone 4 is NOT the same with iOS 5 for iPhone 3GS, but is made for the 3GS specs.

In 2011, iPhone 3GS was the 2nd best selling mobile phone after iPhone 4 so they will take care of 3GS users.
 
No doubt the 4 onwards is somewhat faster and can run 3d games better.

For those not running 3d games however, the 3G-s has more than enough power to run 6.0, unless they make some drastic redesign. Most of the core features in iOS are there; a new version is not going to be drastically slower unless apple seriously screw up or add some new feature to the OS *AND* enable it on the 3G-s.

Notice how the 3Gs has better graphical powers and beats the iPhone 4 and the even worse iPad 1 in the benchmark while using the same GPU the pictures below:

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Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4064/glbenchmark-20-released-modern-socs-benchmarked
 
Notice how the 3Gs has better graphical powers and beats the iPhone 4 and the even worse iPad 1 in the benchmark while using the same GPU the pictures below:

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Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4064/glbenchmark-20-released-modern-socs-benchmarked

Retina display likely takes more graphics processing power. Multiply the iPhone 4's score by 4 to adjust for the 4 times higher resolution.

Same ideas as running a computer game at 800x600 vs 1600x1200. The latter will require beefier hardware but if the hardware isn't 4 times as fast then benchmarks will likely be lower.

From the article you linked:
The only extra consideration is that all of these were run at the device's respective native resolution. There's no way to change resolution, and likewise numbers cannot be scaled linearly because we may be memory bandwidth limited on some devices.
 
Retina display likely takes more graphics processing power. Multiply the iPhone 4's score by 4 to adjust for the 4 times higher resolution.

Same ideas as running a computer game at 800x600 vs 1600x1200. The latter will require beefier hardware but if the hardware isn't 4 times as fast then benchmarks will likely be lower.

The iPhone 4's retina screen is more of a hindrance than a benefit when gaming. If the 3Gs and 4 were at the same resolution, then the 4 would have likely done much better. You can see another example of this with the iPad 1 scores. Even though it has 200Mhz more then the 4 and 400Mhz more then the 3Gs, it has to drive the most pixels and is at the bottom of the chart because of this.

Following this logic, one could summarize that the iPhone 4S is slightly better at graphical games then the iPad 2. But the benchmarks show otherwise.
 
The iPhone 4's retina screen is more of a hindrance than a benefit when gaming. If the 3Gs and 4 were at the same resolution, then the 4 would have likely done much better. You can see another example of this with the iPad 1 scores. Even though it has 200Mhz more then the 4 and 400Mhz more then the 3Gs, it has to drive the most pixels and is at the bottom of the chart because of this.

Following this logic, one could summarize that the iPhone 4S is slightly better at graphical games then the iPad 2. But the benchmarks show otherwise.

I should clarify. I meant if the iPhone 4 was using the 3GS's screen resolution then it should score higher in benchmarks.
 
Older phones don't have all the newer features! But they still run iOS 5!

Sometimes I unlock my 3GS and it takes 15 seconds before anything happens. Once that happens, it takes maybe another 8 seconds to open the music app.

It's pretty slow on 5.0.1. I think this is the end of the line for updates.

Backup and restore. It'll start working better.

I run iOS 5.1.1 on an iPhone 3GS, 4, 4S, and third generation iPad.

I'm surprised that I haven't read yet that not all the features supported in iOS 5 run on older phones. Thats one way to keep supporting older devices. Siri is only for 4S and FaceTime isn't for 3GS (simply no front camera) but that didn't keep iOS 5 from running on it.
 
Back then I was using Paypal as my payment method. Got some charges that I never made on my account and I opened up a Paypal dispute. Apple refunded my money and claimed that I had opened up about 200 other accounts all with negative balances, owing about $4500 in charges.

They asked me for all the CC#s that I ever used on my account, I gave that to them and they still claimed that I opened all those other accounts. They then proceeded to ban my cards also so when I created a new account, not only were my cards banned but so were my computers/phones.

I finally sold everything and bought new phones/computers and have been using the iTunes store since December 26th. I'm very cautious now and will never use Paypal. I have a refillable AMEX card that is free to use and loads money from my checking account automatically so even if someone does hack my account, they won't get to far. I just keep enough on the card to cover my purchases each week.

Wow. But I don't get banning your computers, how? If that were possible, just do a clean install. Maybe your phones could get deactivated, but again, restore with some other account? Otherwise no one else could use the stuff you sold! Doesn't make sense banning computers and phones, only banning accounts, and that's nothing new.

I'm glad you got everything working now. Remember, protect your passwords!
 
By the looks of it, probably not. The iPhone 3GS has been a great device in it's prime, but I doubt that it would be much use running iOS 6, which will be an operating system made to shine, in terms of speed.
 
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