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Will Apple disappoint again?
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Stop probably being right, darn you.
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Not sure that's so far off at this stage. I would have said when there is fast and seamless wireless mass storage. The main desktop advantage right now is that.
Apple never said when it was coming out if at all. All the other posters on this site make crap up and think its true. Why is everyone getting so bent over a computer? It will be out when it's ready!!!!!!!!! Until then chill the hell out
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Bets case scenario from now on is that the desktop line is updated very infrequently until Apple pulls the plug. I get the feeling that the imac, mini and Mac pro are all in the same boat. I thought it was just the pro for a while, but now I think they have anti desktop fever. Low priority all the way around. I don't really think it is a smart business move overall.
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uhh . . no thanks.
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uhh . . no thanks.
If you expect people on an enthusiast site to not be passionate about what they want and when they want it, I'm not entirely sure how to respond.
The only thing that still doesn't make sense to me is the Geekbench scores that leaked awhile ago... what reason could there be for not releasing it this month? I can't think of one.
I agree. It is clear that it was not released during WWDC becuase the new Retina MacBook Pro took the spotlight. Apple never has a little "new" sign next to more than 1-2 computers at a time (or so it seems this way over the past few years). The 2012 iMac is boxed up and ready to rock this week. No doubt. There is a i7 3770 27" beast out there that was geek benched. It is just waiting for the perfect time.
WWDC was the catalyst to spur Retina MacBook Pro sales and MacBook Air sales.
Mountain Lion will be the catalyst to spur iMac and Mac Mini sales.
My thoughts (and I am no expert, just an enthusiast), is that 2013 we will see a new, smaller, redesigned Mac Pro.
I suppose the ONLY reason I see holding up the iMac, is the Retina display. But in all honesty, I don't see that until next year at the earliest due to hardware limitations. And if they wanted their entire Mac lineup to be Retina they skipped the 13-inch MacBook Pro and the Air entirely.
Sorry, but "credible" is not the correct phrase. Some random Blogger suggesting it (and 15 other Blogs running with the story) doesn't make it "credible"
It's a logical assumption, sure. It's a valid theory, I agree.
But when you say something like "credible ..." in regards to something coming up, it's more than looking at numbers and innuendo. It tends to mean that someone, somewhere, who knows wth he's talking about has come forward.
I don't mean some kid that works at an Apple Store, or a mail room guy at Infinite Loop, or even some Blogger that's making logical assumptions.
A credible source would mean someone from corporate that WOULD know has said something. An executive, an engineer, etc. Often the news will leave out the name unless prompted by a subpeona. Like "a credible source confirms the sheriff's department's investigation into corruption" would mean that someone who WOULD know has come forward... but the news outlet might not want to give out his name and risk losing a source or him getting fired/killed/etc.
A credible possibility would mean that a real analyst that has lots of experience in this kind and his finger on the "pulse" of the market has combined grumblings and facts. A real ECONOMICS expert, not a kid in high school.
Some random posters pointing to stats saying that "mobile is obviously the way of the future" is not "credible". Much of what you say also translates to Dell+Windows (the new UI for upcoming Windows, people getting into the tablet game, how LOTS of Dell's sales are laptops) and yet they're still pumping out laptops.
Again, I'm not contradicting your conclusion... that PERHAPS Apple is ready to step out of the Desktop game. I don't agree with it, but it's a valid possibility.
My problem is you using the word credible. It's one of the things that I hate about SOME Bloggers that feel that they're on par with actual News. Sure, some are. But others skip the whole "credible" thing or small things like "fact checking" or "seeing if a source/quote is actually true" Stuff like that just spreads the FUD
The past few big releases (rMPB, "new" iPad), etc have been huge disappointments. I this point I think any new iMac will be a bigger disappointment than a huge sucking vacuum out of Apple.
With ML shortening the life cycle on apple hardware to a few years, I think you'd have to be a complete idiot to buy a computer with a built in $1000 IPS panel and such a short future. I was willing to wait, but that alone convinced me to go hackintosh.
With ML shortening the life cycle on apple hardware to a few years, I think you'd have to be a complete idiot to buy a computer with a built in $1000 IPS panel and such a short future. I was willing to wait, but that alone convinced me to go hackintosh.
Who have they disappointed exactly? I'm guessing just you and not the millions of people who've bought them.
I wouldn't say they're huge disappointments like the previous poster suggested.
But they have had their issues. Then again, nothing you should be surprised at... just about every "Revision A" Apple Product has its problems. My RevA MacBook Pro from a while back (2006? 2007?) took yearS to fix a keyboard issue via firmware. And just about everyone I know who's had a Revision A product has had some kinks to work out.
Plus, some people are cheesed off about gluing stuff in... which I can somewhat agree with.
So it wasn't a perfect release... but only a fool would expect one.
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Agreed. I don't want anything too stellar.
I would just like Ivy Bridge, a CPU bump, and (IF possible) a GPU bump.
OR... a price drop.
My only real concern is, if I'm going to be paying full price for something I'd like it to be a little more current. Also, I'd prefer not to buy something that already lost 1-year shelf life to the tech-calendar.
I think Ivy Bridge, USB 3.0, and a better GPU are a given. SSD and more RAM as a standard as well as an anti-glare option are on my wish list but not make/break.
Well let's see, the rMBP...gluing the battery means after 3-4 years you have a $200 "repair" bill. Even if you want to sell it, that will hurt the resale value because somebody has to pay that "repair". Soldering the memory means you don't have the future-proofness of being able to upgrade the ram later. You either pay top dollar to get it now (and you won't get that difference back on resale), or you buy less memory and hope your needs don't grow. The golden rule of computer hardware is don't buy more than you need. Apple forces you to break that. You lose the second drive bay, I'm not getting into the optical drive debate, but having space for an SSD + 1TB hard drive in a laptop is a lot better than a quarter inch thinner. If you say bring an external drive, it's more bulky and less convenient than the non-retina version. Going to their proprietary SSD stick means you have to pay a lot more for a slower SSD and you can't do cheap upgrades later, again it's better to buy what you need now and upgrade when you need more. Losing the ethernet is pretty bad, and how is yet another dongle to carry more portable? I can't even look at the rMBP without the joke of a magsafe update falling out.
Anybody who's not disappointed by the rMBP is just too stunned by the "oooh shiny" to stop and think.
Oh..and I would pay the extra $400 for the retina display in a heartbeat. But I'm not willing to "pay" the penalty of having a crippled piece of crap in the name of saving 1/4". My MBP is already plenty skinny.
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Ivy bridge, USB 3 (at least 4, preferably 6 ports), a DESKTOP GPU. Minimum of 2 easily accessible hard drive bays (for industry-standard SSD and a 3.5" for main storage). eSATA. 4x DIMM (not SODIMM) slots for memory. Socketed CPU. Thunderbolt or HDMI *INPUT* for the screen. No screen sharing BS running on the iMac, just let it be used as a 27" monitor.
So yeah, I think the iMac will disappoint big time.
There is a socketed CPU,you can upgrade both CPU and GPU.I agree with you about the rMBP.
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I will never understand this argument.
This was the same thing people were saying when 1080p HDTVs came out...
"720p looks amazing -- why would anyone need 1080p?? It's totally pointless."
That's a good point. It seems inexcusable to wait until October for such a minor refresh.
Apple could have started manufacturing them months ago and nobody would have noticed because they're just using different USB ports and processor.
Also, everybody here is being excessively negative about the iMacs future. It may not be Apple's #1 priority, but it's still by far their best selling desktop and tons of pros use it. iOS may be the future but there are plenty of things it can't do and iMac will be around for a while.
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I have only three sources of information about Apple that I consider CREDIBLE:
1. Tim Cook
2. What Apple actually does
3. The numbers that result
If that's not CREDIBLE enough for you, I don't know what to tell you.
I have been among the forefront of those teaching people to dismiss that bull-hockey DigiTimes "October" rumor all this while, because whatever else happens, that's the one thing we can be virtually certain will NOT happen, because what Apple actually does is give the iPhone the sole spotlight for a while after it is released. I'm not chasing after rumor and I'm labeling what I say as speculation and conjecture when it's that -- or being explicit that what COULD happen is X, et cetera.What we know for facts are these: These days, mobility is a gigantic cash cow for Apple, so much so that the desktop Mac line revenue is practically a rounding error by comparison. The iMac has now gone the longest ever between refreshes despite new hardware being available. A significant amount of software and service offerings by Apple since 2011 have functioned such that they obviate or reduce the need for an average mainstream user (as Apple has described them) to own a desktop system (by which I mainly mean iCloud and its associated components). Thunderbolt alone achieves this same thing in hardware, again, for an average mainstream user. Tim Cook has offered no guidance on Apple's plans for the future of the iMac line or whether there will even be any.
Okay, does that disprove that an iMac refresh is on the way? It does not. But it makes the discontinuance of the line, or the continued neglect of the line into 2013, a credible expectation.
Spreading the FUD? Apple's silence is creating more FUD than anything I say ever could. All they have to do is say ANYTHING DEFINITIVE and we would then have certainty. Even the poor Mac Pro community has certainty now. It's a sucky certainty, but by golly they have it. Their line WILL continue.
We will know more in less than 48 hours. We may not have our answer, but we will be able to eliminate more possibilities at the very least.
Just because the iMac isn't the biggest moneymaker doesn't mean it isn't an important part of the product lineup. Apples products are meant to work together and the iMac has a niche in their ecosystem. It's not like their losing any money on them, either.
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I will never understand this argument.
Let me try to explain it for you then. Way, way back when people said that about 1080p, we were looking at 30-40" screens. 1080p was overkill. Now we're pushing up to 90", 1080p is pretty bad. You see, technology changes over time. Needs change over time as technology does.
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ROFL.
No, seriously....just ROFL.
I will never understand this argument.
This was the same thing people were saying when 1080p HDTVs came out...
"720p looks amazing -- why would anyone need 1080p?? It's totally pointless."
TVs are a different story.
My point is that is not necessary at the moment. No gpu can handle such a high resolution with ease. For an iMac it has to be 4K or something. Monitors that have 4K resolution don't come cheap. And the only benefit will mainly be for photos editing and some uncommon use. Not even video editing, 1080p will look like a thumbnail in such screen.
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Ask the 17" Macbook Pro users. Or maybe the Mac Pro guys.
if we see no updated iMacs tomorrow, i will be plunging into, yet another PC, Dell perhaps (XPS 8500: i7 3.4, 16GB, 2TB + 32GB SSD SRT, blu-ray read/write, 2GB 7770 graphics and 32" LED TV as a monitor) hope i am wrong cuz i'm tired of windows, need something extraordinary, like OS X.
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Another thread to solidify why I'm so glad that I purchased my 27" BTO 2011 iMac in June/July 2011. I couldn't be happier at the moment with my iMac.
Don't get me wrong, I'm far from heartless because I sympathize with you guys who are waiting. I was finally able to purchase a 2010 iMac in late November/early December of that year but decided to hold off as the 2010 iMac was about half a year old by then and the fact that the 2010 iMac wasn't much of an upgrade compared to the 2009 iMac. The Sandy Bridge processors were released in early 2011 and Apple updated the MacBook Pro line first. In late May of that year, they finally updated the iMac to the specs that are currently out now. I waited for back-to-school promotion to start in June/July and made my iMac purchase then. In total, I waited a good 6-7 months for the iMac that sits in front of me. I'm still happy with it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm far from heartless because I sympathize with you guys who are waiting. I was finally able to purchase a 2010 iMac in late November/early December of that year but decided to hold off as the 2010 iMac was about half a year old by then and the fact that the 2010 iMac wasn't much of an upgrade compared to the 2009 iMac. The Sandy Bridge processors were released in early 2011 and Apple updated the MacBook Pro line first. In late May of that year, they finally updated the iMac to the specs that are currently out now. I waited for back-to-school promotion to start in June/July and made my iMac purchase then. In total, I waited a good 6-7 months for the iMac that sits in front of me. I'm still happy with it.