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Will Apple disappoint again?

Oracle1729 said:
Let me try to explain it for you then. Way, way back when people said that about 1080p, we were looking at 30-40" screens. 1080p was overkill. Now we're pushing up to 90", 1080p is pretty bad. You see, technology changes over time. Needs change over time as technology does.
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No, I was talking about around 2007... at the time the smallest available 1080p HDTV were 46". Manufacturers weren't yet able to make them any smaller than that, the technology just wasn't there yet.

My point was that at the time I was researching getting a 46" HDTV -- people on forums and in stores said over and over that it was a waste of money to get 1080p and to just go with 720p. They said 1080p was overkill and pointless.

Now people are saying that Retina-resolution iMacs are pointless and I was simply pointing out the parallel I noticed. Obviously technology changes over time and I completely agree with you that it needs too. Which is why, bringing it back to my original post, I don't understand why people are often so against higher screen resolutions labeling them as "pointless".
 
Oracle1729 said:
Well let's see, the rMBP...gluing the battery means after 3-4 years you have a $200 "repair" bill. Even if you want to sell it, that will hurt the resale value because somebody has to pay that "repair". Soldering the memory means you don't have the future-proofness of being able to upgrade the ram later. You either pay top dollar to get it now (and you won't get that difference back on resale), or you buy less memory and hope your needs don't grow. The golden rule of computer hardware is don't buy more than you need. Apple forces you to break that. You lose the second drive bay, I'm not getting into the optical drive debate, but having space for an SSD + 1TB hard drive in a laptop is a lot better than a quarter inch thinner. If you say bring an external drive, it's more bulky and less convenient than the non-retina version. Going to their proprietary SSD stick means you have to pay a lot more for a slower SSD and you can't do cheap upgrades later, again it's better to buy what you need now and upgrade when you need more. Losing the ethernet is pretty bad, and how is yet another dongle to carry more portable? I can't even look at the rMBP without the joke of a magsafe update falling out.

Anybody who's not disappointed by the rMBP is just too stunned by the "oooh shiny" to stop and think.

Oh..and I would pay the extra $400 for the retina display in a heartbeat. But I'm not willing to "pay" the penalty of having a crippled piece of crap in the name of saving 1/4". My MBP is already plenty skinny.
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I agree. But, that's why Apple left the non-retina for people like you. Thank god they haven't slashed it but I'm sure next year it will be gone.

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Dan415 said:
No, I was talking about around 2007... at the time the smallest available 1080p HDTV were 46". Manufacturers weren't yet able to make them any smaller than that, the technology just wasn't there yet.

My point was that at the time I was researching getting a 46" HDTV -- people on forums and in stores said over and over that it was a waste of money to get 1080p and to just go with 720p. They said 1080p was overkill and pointless.

Now people are saying that Retina-resolution iMacs are pointless and I was simply pointing out the parallel I noticed. Obviously technology changes over time and I completely agree with you that it needs too. Which is why, bringing it back to my original post, I don't understand why people are often so against higher screen resolutions labeling them as "pointless".
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Higher resolution screens in general are good and not "pointless". A higher resolution iMac is. At least to me. Remember iMac's resolution is 2560x1440 which is a lot more than 1080p which is industry standard and not near to be upgraded.
 
Dan415 said:
I will never understand this argument. :confused:

This was the same thing people were saying when 1080p HDTVs came out...

"720p looks amazing -- why would anyone need 1080p?? It's totally pointless."
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Exactly. Some people just can't help but feel the need to hinder technological advancement in society just for the sake of it. Really? Why?

Most likely Apple will release a retina iMac next to the existing design, giving user choices as they did with the new Macbook Pro. If you don't think you'll see the jump to retina, don't buy it. For the rest who want to experience it, no need to convince them otherwise.
 
applefiend95 said:
if we see no updated iMacs tomorrow, i will be plunging into, yet another PC, Dell perhaps (XPS 8500: i7 3.4, 16GB, 2TB + 32GB SSD SRT, blu-ray read/write, 2GB 7770 graphics and 32" LED TV as a monitor) hope i am wrong cuz i'm tired of windows, need something extraordinary, like OS X.


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HP Core2Duo 2.1 320GB 4GB, iPad 1 32GB Wi-Fi, iPad 1 16GB Wi-Fi, iPhone 4S black 16GB
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I suggest giving it until Thursday. Last year with Lion, the hardware refreshes took place the day after.
 
Broseidon said:
As much as I want them, I can't see new iMacs coming in July and I can't see Retina within the next 1 - 2 years.

Why do people want retina? It's close to pointless on such a big screen.
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I DON'T want retina, well not yet if the cost is slower GPU response on the iMac. I just want an updated iMac with Ivy Bridge CPUs and USB3, maybe a Matte screen option but that might be asking a bit much.

I fear we might not see any iMac update until Sept/Oct but wouldn't Apple want them out now for the coming US back to school season? Or are more students new getting laptops? But what if schools fitting out for the coming year?
 
Mike Valmike said:
I suggest giving it until Thursday. Last year with Lion, the hardware refreshes took place the day after.
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Actually, the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, and Apple Thunderbolt Display were all released on the same day as Lion, July 20, 2011.
 
Obviously the Retina display will be an improvement and will probably become the norm eventually. However, buying an iMac right now, I would go for non-retina because of the low framerate, high cost and the fact that everything but apple store apps will look crappy for a while in comparison to the sharpness of the desktop.
Next time I am looking to buy a computer, I think that websites and apps will have adapted and GPUs will have advanced, so a retina will be a better deal.
 
HenryJobs said:
Really want to buy an iMac with Ivy Bridge ad USB 3 but I won't be able to if they never come out. With the lack or rumors about iMacs just 3 days before the suspected launch, I'm starting to think we'll be waiting until fall. If the iMacs don't launch this month, should we expect retina displays web they do?
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I think we can safely say all the news Macs will sport Ivy Bridge and USB 3. Ivy Bridge is the new standard. So why would there be loads of rumours? It's not a massive upgrade. It's just a standard one.
 
I really just hope for:
1. Ivy bridge
2. USB 3
4. Small SSD as standard for OS and big ol' normal drive for the rest

Not too fussed with retina but SSD would be great...

Please be an upgrade this week mr Apple
 
How exactly are Apple disappointing anybody? You're the ones convincing yourselves they might release a new-er iMac. They haven't suggested they are, so have not disappointed anybody. If you're feeling upset about it, you only have yourselves to blame.
 
eddjedi said:
How exactly are Apple disappointing anybody? You're the ones convincing yourselves they might release a new-er iMac. They haven't suggested they are, so have not disappointed anybody. If you're feeling upset about it, you only have yourselves to blame.
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Well excuse me for being disappointed when trying to rely on a certain timetable for my $4000 investments. I guess we all should just be happy and satisfied since Apple never said they will release anything at all.
 
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Stop the arguing, bickering and insults. Stay on topic, otherwise this thread will be headed to the wasteland.
 
Dan415 said:
I will never understand this argument. :confused:

This was the same thing people were saying when 1080p HDTVs came out...

"720p looks amazing -- why would anyone need 1080p?? It's totally pointless."
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Because you need will need 4K video resolution to take advantage of all those pixels, otherwise it will be worse than watching 720 on a full 1920x screen. And 4k my friend is what you get on the cinema, your full length movie will be about 500GB to 1TB. Thats why it is pointless.

And to that guy saying that the "icons" will be about 1k pixels, "endless possibilities for the designers"... what matters if you can put a full HD picture in there, it will still be 1" or less in your screen.

I understand an increase in pixel density on mobile devices but on a 27" screen that has already 2k+ resolution just does not make sense. There is no movie out there that will take such density unless you count IMAX size movies for which you will need a 100Terabytes of storage or Petabyte or whatever it is called... absurd
 
iMcLovin said:
Does anyone still have hopes for an imac release the next 2 weeks ?
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Over here we say that hope dies last, but in all honesty right now it's just a glimmer of wishful thinking.

I'm actually wondering… if they're having "screen lamination issues", it's probably going to be more than just a spec bump. That adds two problems, in my opinion: 1) do I want to be a paying beta tester for a rev. A and all the issues it may have? 2) what if they DO go for a spec bump now AND the new model in October?

I just hope that some shareholder asks something on the matter during the call later today. Even if they don't answer openly, we may still infer something. Ah, there goes the wishful thinking again.
 
Could the screen issues were hearing about be related to an anti-glare display?
 
leerichards1 said:
Was the word 'iMac' even uttered on the call, I don't think it was....
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Apparently not, but: "Reading same rumors and speculation that you are -- this caused a pause in some purchases. Delay in Ivy Bridge impacted sales in April and May."

At least they ARE aware that people have a general idea of what to expect, so while it may not lead to a full blown Osborne effect, it may still be somewha significant. They'd better be quick with the iMacs.
Actually, my question is: are we absolutely sure that the "lamination issues" are about the iMac? What if they are about the infamous Apple TV thing?
 
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