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If there's anyone out there who fits the profile for “the magic quickly wears off for most” and is willing to part with their Vision for a good price, I'm acutely interested in making an offer.
AVP is one of those products that people love to criticize in its original form but will later say "oh, everyone knew that this product category was the future".
 
I am 100% certain that Steve Jobs would skip out on VR completely. He would recognise it for what it is: niche, clunky and geeky. The wired battery hanging from the head would send him into a spiral.
His intuitive ability was knowing what people wanted and translating that to a technical solution. Sure he didn't always get it right but if there was a market for the device he'd have figured a plan. Apple doesn't have a plan.
 
The reason is simple. Experience is not just about ‘What do I see and what do I hear’, but much more about how I feel while using it.

And if something globular is pressed into your face, then I probably feel better served with a ‘ridiculous’ 65 LG OLED.

Which goes back to my point about returning it. I probably should have been more clear. If you don’t even enjoy watching video content on it more than you enjoy watching it on a 65 inch TV, for whatever reason, why on Earth would you keep it given that just about everybody agrees that entertainment is one of the primary reasons for most consumers to use it if they have the cash to be able to justify the purchase?

That’s the part that made no sense to me and it’s why I stopped reading much more of the article after it. IMO if you don’t even enjoy that aspect of the device then why in the world wouldn’t you have sent it back or taken it back to the store either on spot or at the end of the return window? To me it’s too expensive to hang onto if you just hope you’ll get used to it.

Unless somebody gave it to me or sold it to me for some ungodly small amount of money there’s no way I’m keeping a device I don’t enjoy using. The author lost me there….
 
The plan is obvious: mobile computing device that provides the user with large screens/multiple screens.

Don’t forget “when the technology gets there”. It isn’t there yet. However if it gets there Apple won’t be caught flat footed with no solution like they were with the AI craze. AI is a part of the smart phone platform, not an entirely new platform in and of itself requiring a new OS, new UI and re-written apps. That won’t be the case with AR glasses. I don’t blame Apple for putting what they had out there. Meta is. They are keeping up with the Jones’s in that way. I get why people don’t like it but I don’t get people who do nothing but bag on it. Last time I checked it’s a free country and if you don’t want to buy one you don’t have to.

I’d rather Apple put R&D money into products that aren’t always popular than put it all into the pocketbooks of C Level executives and shareholders. There will be flops. There were under Steve Jobs and he was a once in a generation kind of talent in terms of knowing what people wanted in a product before they did. There’s not going to be another like him at Apple, or anywhere else, anytime soon but that doesn’t mean that Apple was, is or will be a massive failure. Now excuse me while I connect my Newton to my Lisa and sync them both to MobileMe.
 
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I like that MacRumors is doing more long form editorial, but “ the magic quickly wears off for most.” seems a bit unsubstantiated. Maybe you guys haven’t found many compelling use cases, but reading an AP Style Guide in Books might be a good one.
Are you saying it is being used a lot? Based on everything I’ve seen in YouTiube, X, etc has been dismal.
 
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If there's anyone out there who fits the profile for “the magic quickly wears off for most” and is willing to part with their Vision for a good price, I'm acutely interested in making an offer. I purchased mine on Day One of pre-orders to enable my PhD research in spatial computing, machine learning and physics visualization, but it was stolen by a corrupt customs agent on the day it was set to arrive. I was on travels overseas and had purchased first-class theft and damage insurance—but came to find out it has an exclusion for state-level scandals or corruption, so I'm still working to replace it to this day.

You can routinely find them on eBay selling for 50% of original cost.

My buddy finally sold his a couple weeks ago after having not powered it on for two months, and was pretty disappointed with the selling price.
 
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I'd NEVER put something like the VisionPro on my face. With that optional support strap going over your head, it looks like you're wearing a jockstrap on your face! But a pair of Ray-Bans, even with fewer features, maybe, if it makes me look like Buddy Holly!
 
I only use mine for fitness and time/timers/alarms. I have all notifications turned off, have never used Apple Pay on it, don't take calls, never used it for music/podcasts. Weather sometimes.

I track my steps, my trail running via gps, yoga, climbing, and all the other workouts I do weekly. I record a workout 6-10 times per week. Not sure what isn't understandable?

I will probably go back to Garmin for my next watch.
What I don’t get is what is tracked? I get running, but it can’t coach Yoga, or improve my tennis forehand, or give climbing hints. I don’t get how Fitness can be such appeal that it sells 50 million units. And as you mentioned, Garmins are better fitness trackers.
My Apple Watch tells when I go for a daily walk with my dog that I “have closed my exercise ring”. What, a walk with the dog? A ring? That’s supposed to be why people buy it. I have my doubts. Because I don’t get it; I don’t know what “track my yoga” means.
(I do think that the health tracking features like heart beat and oxygen saturation are an incentive).
 
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I only use mine for fitness and time/timers/alarms. I have all notifications turned off, have never used Apple Pay on it, don't take calls, never used it for music/podcasts. Weather sometimes.

I track my steps, my trail running via gps, yoga, climbing, and all the other workouts I do weekly. I record a workout 6-10 times per week. Not sure what isn't understandable?

I will probably go back to Garmin for my next watch.
What I don’t get is what is tracked? I get running, or swimming, but it can’t coach Yoga, or improve my tennis forehand, or track weight lifting reps and weights, or give climbing hints. I don’t get how Fitness can be such appeal that it sells 50 million units. And as you mentioned, Garmins are better fitness trackers.
My Apple Watch tells when I go for a daily walk with my dog that I “have closed my exercise ring”. What, a walk with the dog? A ring? That’s supposed to be why people buy it. I have my doubts. Because I don’t get it; I don’t know what “track my yoga” means.
(I do think that the health tracking features like heart beat and oxygen saturation are an incentive).
 
What I don’t get is what is tracked? I get running, but it can’t coach Yoga, or improve my tennis forehand, or give climbing hints. I don’t get how Fitness can be such appeal that it sells 50 million units. And as you mentioned, Garmins are better fitness trackers.
My Apple Watch tells when I go for a daily walk with my dog that I “have closed my exercise ring”. What, a walk with the dog? A ring? That’s supposed to be why people buy it. I have my doubts. Because I don’t get it; I don’t know what “track my yoga” means.
(I do think that the health tracking features like heart beat and oxygen saturation are an incentive).

I don't use fitness plus if that is what you are asking, and I don't need coaching. It just tracks time, heart rate, breathing and, in the case of running or bike riding, distance and pace via gps.
 
We saw similar doubters against the Apple Watch that took a few generations to start taking off, and now you can't turn your head in a city without seeing Apple Watches on every wrist.

Vision Pro was launched from the high end first, an early adopters funding the consumer product to come strategy. While this may be a different approach than what we're used to from modern Apple, this is the strategy Steve Jobs took with the Macintosh. The original Mac was just too expensive for the average user, and over time it was refined until the iMac became the computer for everybody.
Apple Watch had the offer of health features at your wrist it was bound to take off there was no doubters what does the Vision Pro offer to enhance people day to day life nothing atm
 
We saw similar doubters against the Apple Watch that took a few generations to start taking off, and now you can't turn your head in a city without seeing Apple Watches on every wrist.

Vision Pro was launched from the high end first, an early adopters funding the consumer product to come strategy. While this may be a different approach than what we're used to from modern Apple, this is the strategy Steve Jobs took with the Macintosh. The original Mac was just too expensive for the average user, and over time it was refined until the iMac became the computer for everybody.

Big difference between the watch, Macintosh and Vision Pro. Watches are fashionable, can be worn all the time, and are unobtrusive. The Macintosh was a computer and isn't even the same league, plus anyone in the household can use it.

The AVP, is isolating, for a single user only and can't be worn out and about without looking like a tool. I'm currently sitting in an airport terminal waiting on my flight, and have been in multiple since it was released. I've seen zero.

The one person I knew with a Vision Pro sold his after not touching it for two months.
 
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Apple is privacy focused well beyond all other tech companies. They have the market cornered for Smart Glasses in regards to keeping people from worrying about

There are super fast very close proximity low latency high bandwidth WiFi tech that could easily be used to do all computation streamed.

Glasses need to be sensors, a small battery to run them, some sort of projected or transparent displays, and low latency communication to the smartphone. They shouldn’t work without a smartphone as the brain.

This helps reduce the size and weight and increase the acceptable look of the glasses.

Yeah I tend to agree and was on team "let the iPhone do the processing" before the Vision Pro came out, along with half of the people working on it according to rumors.

The communication tech may be there, but the power tech isn't. How long is that iPhone and headset going to last doing that kind of work without a power source?
 
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You all at MacRumors are so accustomed to reviewing highly mature devices like MacBook, iMac, iPhone and Apple Watch which you all admit are so mature that updates are kind of boring at this point. However, when Apple comes out with something that is clearly revolutionary AND immature, you hold the same expectations as all the other mature devices in Apple's ecosystem. Innovating a new platform beyond the iPhone will of course be a difficult task. Punchline however is that AR is the future. AVP is the future. As a 1st generation device of course it has its shortcomings and the next few years are so exciting to see how this platform matures in major to address these shortcomings. You can be part of the revolution or just pan it and stick to your boring rumors of modest increases in chip speed and such.
 
Which is kind of ridiculous because, in Apple’s history, there are so many examples of them introducing something just a little too early.
The Lisa was the ridiculously overpriced computer that Macintosh wouldn’t have existed without.
The Newton obviously was the iPhone/iPad, just about 15 years too early.
The G4Cube of course, and one can almost make a direct line from when Apple introduced the 2013 Mac Pro, then the 2015 MacBook, then in 2016 started working behind the scenes to move their computers over to ARM.
The 12 inch MacBook was basically a trial run for the current line of Apple Silicon laptops.
Four years before the Apple Watch, there was the iPod nano Watch, and even apple’s health features can be linked all the way back to the iPod days.
I’m not disagreeing. That’s why I said “some people” feel that way. I think a lot of Apple fans really only know them from the iPhone and their seemingly straight run of mass market winners they released.

But yeah, Apple to me is a consumer electronics company in the mould of a Sony but with a more focused product line. And that means they need to release products like the Vision Pro to exist in the long run.

But now they are in everyone’s pension and everyone’s got an iPhone it’s like they can’t be seen to fail. I think they have to shut out that type of market scrutiny in my opinion.
 
The current Apple Vision is what the Newton was in the early 90’s. Some technology breakthroughs are required and I don’t expect real AR glasses before the mid 30’s. But I do think they are the future for computing.
 
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The Vision headset is near-useless.

AR glasses are the only device to make. You don’t need great display, it won’t be for watching movies, it will be transparent displays that can allow you to see content drawn in your vision, that is all.

It will be tied to extremely sophisticated AI voice like ChatGPT Advanced Voice Mode. NOT SIRI.

There will be no computation in the glasses, they will have cameras and sensors, but all computation will be on the iPhone in your hand or pocket 100% full stop.

Think of them like they give eyes to this insanely powerful AI that is with you and talks to you in natural language in natural ways where it’s indistinguishable from talking to another person standing right there with you.
Describe for me the use case that would justify wearing AR glasses. Or carrying them with you wherever you go? I get that many people fantasize about such glasses, but I simply can't understand the appeal. Directions? What advantage do AR glasses give over a phone in your pocket?

I own the AVP, and I love it. But my use for it is not mobile. I never use the AR aspect of the AVP. I simply don't understand what the fantasy for glasses is, other than it is a smaller form factor.
 
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Yea, that's a big bummer and my bike has ANT+ sensors. The BT options just don't compare.
Fully agree. It's really awkward that Apple won't pay for an ANT+ license, just like they're not paying MS for a MTP licence. I would really like to be able to connect any media device to my Mac and access the data on it. Alas, I'm directed to some crap protocol from, cough, Google, and their 'Android File Transfer.app'.
 
Apple Watch had the offer of health features at your wrist it was bound to take off there was no doubters what does the Vision Pro offer to enhance people day to day life nothing atm
And Apple Watch had celebrities, wear it, and it was featured in fashion magazines,so it became acceptable as an accessory. Google glass for example was only worn by nerds and it became the opposite of acceptable. That was the whole fashion strategy, not to make the Apple Watch a fashionable item, but to make it acceptable.
 
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I'd argue that the second-gen Apple Watch was the first truly viable version, but the product truly hit its stride with the fourth-gen. The first was so ridiculously slow I still can't believe they released it.

To be honest though, I don't think a pair of Apple Glasses need to do as much as a first-gen Apple Watch.
At a bare minimum for a first release, from a functionality perspective I think they need to:

1. Show notifications (which can then be dealt with on watch or phone)
2. Show map directions
3. Show workout data (with the caveat that this feature would use more battery life)

Basically, three things. The rest of the time they don't need to display anything, which should help with battery life.

Hardware wise, maybe add a compass for map directions and a gyroscope for minimal head gestures (similar to those from AirPods Pro). Keep them light-weight and cool looking.

They don't need apps, a camera (Google Glass proved this was a bad idea), eye tracking, Siri, or even to always display the time. They also don't need a complex or colorful user interface. The focus should be on making them non-intrusive but useful.

AVP is a dead-end, uncomfortable product, that is socially isolating. Get some minimalist AR glasses out that have a feature set that works insanely well and is polished. See how people use them, then work on improving the software and hardware even more.
But why would I charge, carry and wear glasses for these 3 basic uses that I already have on my phone?

I simply do not understand the practical use of AR in a pair of glasses that have, at best, 3-4 hours of battery, and which I'd need to wear all the time. And if I only carry them and put them on occasionally, what' the point when I already have my phone?

I own and love my AVP. But I use it for 3-4 hours at a time on very specific work projects. I never use the AR aspect of the AVP; there's simply no point to overlay onto the real world.

So many of you keep saying "give me small glasses" but for what? Nobody has been able to describe a compelling, day-long use case for AR. Think of how often you use your phone to take a picture, or provide directions. For me, that's maybe an every other day use case. Why would I wear glasses every day all day for such small use cases? Especially when it provides very little advantage over the phone I already carry.

AVP, on the other hand, gives me use cases that I can't do anywhere else.
 
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