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So does the Apple Watch get put in a case next to those watches or next to the $100-$200 fitness trackers?

Why not, not everything have to looks pretty to sell. Something will sell just because what they are, not what they looks like.

Go to target, take a pic and show us.
Nothing beats real life experience.
 
So does the Apple Watch get put in a case next to those watches or next to the $100-$200 fitness trackers?

I haven't been to Target, but at Best Buy and B&H, Apple products get their own section. So I expect Target to do something similar.
 
Why not, not everything have to looks pretty to sell. Something will sell just because what they are, not what they looks like.

Go to target, take a pic and show us.
Nothing beats real life experience.

Have you seen the beat up or even cracked iPads in plastic cases at targets or walmarts?
 
What makes you so sure they will release version 2 so soon. Personally I think the watch is on a 2-3 year release cycle and we won't see the next model until at least 2017.

I think Apple is too serious about the watch to sit on their laurels that long. It might not be a strict annual cycle but I do believe we will see a new watch before the two year mark.
 
Have you seen the beat up or even cracked iPads in plastic cases at targets or walmarts?

No. Not sure which target did you go. The one around my house is very nice.

Even if the display unit is broken, still does not matter to me. As long as my box is brand new without issue, and when there is any issue on Apple product, I just go back to Apple Store for mfg warranty.
 
We all know that the Apple Watch isn't selling in iPhone numbers, but by all intents and purposes it is selling well compared to the rest of the market. There is no way that Apple will reduce the price of the AW before Gen2 arrives. Then I do forsee then reducing the entry cost significantly (as much as $100 less). What they will probably do though, is reduce the Sport models to $249 and $299 ($100 less than the new v2.0 Sport models). They will also discontinue the Stainless Steel and Solid Gold models for v1 as may even use the same form factor for these models to implement the new circuitry.

I still believe we are talking an 18-24 month cycle for the Watch, so we are talking fall 2016 at the earliest, but possibly Spring 2017.

Although they won't reduce the main RRP of the models, what they may do is introduce a financing model or reduce the cost of some of the bands.
 
I didn't realise that apple watches were such a fad: three pages of posts on them. I don't even consider buying one.

Is this some sort of mild gambling craze? I'm gobsmacked...
 
I didn't realise that apple watches were such a fad: three pages of posts on them. I don't even consider buying one.

Is this some sort of mild gambling craze? I'm gobsmacked...

Welcome back caveman!
We had something call iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch since you left, just want to keep you update.
 
I think Apple will have to either lower the price of the watch or discontinue it.

Sorry I can't be more positive, but I'm afraid it's far too expensive to gain any kind of traction. It's also much too unfocused. Apple should concentrate their efforts on one or two features, but make those features exceedingly good and a compelling proposition; they need to be features that work better than on the iPad, iPhone or Mac. If that isn't possible, they should draw a veil over it and move on.

There's a time for letting go.
Seems like you're thinking is quite correct, here's an article:

Study: People want Apple Watches, aren’t sure why, refuse to pay for them

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/wearab...-the-answer-isnt-too-promising/#ixzz3phdVq7yM

The Apple Watch seems to be having a bigger impact on the Swiss watch industry than expected.
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/...ption-of-the-traditional-watch.html?ana=yahoo

This article is a Puff Piece written by Apple's home town newspaper and a very Pro-Apple writer.
 
How so? Android Wear doesn't work well with iOS. I don't see people changing phone platforms because of a watch. Besides, they are all too busy copying Motorola and rushing out round watches.

2017 might be a stretch, but I can see Fall 2016 for the next Apple Watch. It seems like it would be a natural pairing to the next iPhone release, and a logical holiday purchase.

Even still, Apple wants to keep people in their ecosystem and lure in android users. Hardware changes too quickly to possbily go 2 years without a refresh. More than anything, think about the 2nd gen adopters. I know of a lot of people that say "Oh I'm just waiting for the 2nd gen." There's no way they'll buy an Apple watch next year if there's no refresh. And then if they keep hearing about all the glitzy new android watches (let's admit it, wether they are successful or not there will be dozens to come out next year), their eyes might start to wander.

Fall 2016 would be the latest I could possibly imagine. However, I'm not so sure I agree that it's in Apple's best interest to release a new iPhone, new iPad, and new Apple Watch all within a month (or even 2) of each other. Not many people are willing to shell out for multiple shiny objects in the same month. Spreading them out would, in my mind. be optimal. With that in mind, the Apple Watch seems more like a "holiday purchase" than a iPhone because it's less expensive and you don't have the difficulty of dealing with peoples carrier plans.
 
Seems like you're thinking is quite correct, here's an article:

Study: People want Apple Watches, aren’t sure why, refuse to pay for them

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/wearab...-the-answer-isnt-too-promising/#ixzz3phdVq7yM



This article is a Puff Piece written by Apple's home town newspaper and a very Pro-Apple writer.

Here is problem with this article, if Apple has 70% market share, and writer think people are not buying smart watch, what does that say about other 30%?

Is smart watch market not as big an Apple issue, or just simply people are not understanding or too lazy to do research to understand how big smart watch market really it, and it is just easier to blame it on the biggest market share holder?

It is not Apple's fault, when overall smart watch market is not as big as people expect. Apple could help grow overall market, but simply pick on Apple on the overall market size is just irresponsible and lazy on the writer's part.
 
However, I'm not so sure I agree that it's in Apple's best interest to release a new iPhone, new iPad, and new Apple Watch all within a month (or even 2) of each other. Not many people are willing to shell out for multiple shiny objects in the same month. Spreading them out would, in my mind. be optimal. With that in mind, the Apple Watch seems more like a "holiday purchase" than a iPhone because it's less expensive and you don't have the difficulty of dealing with peoples carrier plans.

It seems to me that Aople Watch would make a perfect holiday gift for many people. Perhaps to avoid product overload, Apple might start releasing iPhones and iPads earlier in he year?
 
It seems to me that Aople Watch would make a perfect holiday gift for many people. Perhaps to avoid product overload, Apple might start releasing iPhones and iPads earlier in he year?

Spring iPad (original release cycle); Summer iPhone (original release cycle); Fall Apple Watch (original announcement date, and speculated original release target) would make sense to me.

iPad's are getting kinda funky anyway because the latest trend appears to be more an every other year cycle.
 
Do you think Apple will lower the price of the Watch? I'm not talking about this first generation of course.

I was thinking about it because it seems like one of the major issues of the product is that users can't justify the price.

I know well that almost every Apple product is considered overpriced, but it looks like users are more prone to justify an iPhone or an iPad than the Apple Watch — probably because they "do more"?

Also, Apple is not going to reveal the numbers, so everything is hypothetical, but what if the sales were not that good? Do you think they could decide to lower the price?

I still remember the price drop of $200 on the original iPhone a couple of months after the launch, but that's a different story.

What do you think?
Usually Apple lowers the price of the second gen product releases. So I hope that it gets lowered. It is not worth the price it's at right now.
 
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Here is problem with this article, if Apple has 70% market share, and writer think people are not buying smart watch, what does that say about other 30%?

Is smart watch market not as big an Apple issue, or just simply people are not understanding or too lazy to do research to understand how big smart watch market really it, and it is just easier to blame it on the biggest market share holder?

It is not Apple's fault, when overall smart watch market is not as big as people expect. Apple could help grow overall market, but simply pick on Apple on the overall market size is just irresponsible and lazy on the writer's part.
The watch market — smart or "dumb" — is simply not as big as the phone market.

If the AW gets bought by five percent of iPhone owners, I would consider it to be a success. Not enough people these days are wearing watches that cost more than fifty bucks anyway.

(and besides, 5% of what, a hundred million compatible iPhones, is still a hell of a lot of sales)
 
I don't see apple lowering the price on the AW, it would be an admission that they screwed up - they don't do that.

I think the sport model is the best selling model of the AW for one reason, its less expensive by a large margin then the SS model. You get the same watch, only different material and people are happy to get the Alu and ion glass when they're saving 200+ dollars.
 
I can't see Apple lowering their price right now. There's no need. The watch is in a extremely strong position against its competitors.
  • Unparalleled iPhone integration.
  • Apple's famous usability.
  • Untouchable build quality.
  • Wide range of interchangeable straps and accessories.
  • Luxury models over $10k lending cachet to the entire range.
  • A growing ecosystem of apps.
  • A growing ecosystem of accessories.
  • Widespread retail availability.
  • Apple stores everywhere to fix the watch when it goes wrong.
  • Easy-to-buy Apple care option.
  • Huge gift-buying season coming up!
 
$50 off of a $400 Sport is a 12.5 % discount.

$350 + $650 (cheapest iPhone 6s) = $1000 - $50 = 5%
I realize that "customer" may only be a portion of the $650 but Apple is still getting there R$650 cut (roughly).

Apple isn't giving the discount just for the Watch - they get a chuck of $$ for the iPhone also. By giving the $50 off they will create more profits from the Watch and iPhone then if they didn't have the deal going. This isn't Apple cutting their profit. Apple is netting more profits. :)
 
$350 + $650 (cheapest iPhone 6s) = $1000 - $50 = 5%
I realize that "customer" may only be a portion of the $650 but Apple is still getting there R$650 cut (roughly).

Apple isn't giving the discount just for the Watch - they get a chuck of $$ for the iPhone also. By giving the $50 off they will create more profits from the Watch and iPhone then if they didn't have the deal going. This isn't Apple cutting their profit. Apple is netting more profits. :)
Understood, but the focus of the thread is a lower price for the watch and that is a significantly lower price for the watch. At least in my world, 12.5 % is significant.
 
Interesting move. Not a naked price cut, which would devalue the watch and cause a backlash from early adopters (remember the original iPhone price cut?)

More a "today-only" opportunity to let the salesperson upsell:
or - to put it another way - a fictitious watch salesperson might have said:
Sir, since you're buying a phone today, I can offer you a sport for just $299. Incredible deal. And if you don't want it yourself, you could always gift it to someone. Your wife would probably love one. A $350 gift for just $299.
Of course, Apple will get most of the $50 back as soon as wifey buys a spare turquoise strap to go with her new outfit :)

Think we'll see a lot more of this as Apple tests (and overcomes) price resistance on the watch.
 
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