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If Apple made a TV it wouldn’t be to sell TVs, it would be to sell services. Imagine an Apple TV bundle with TV+, Fitness+, and Arcade. TV+ for the family, Fitness+ for mom and dad, and Arcade for the kids. Throw in Music and you have a solid $25 a month bundle. They could sell TVs at a low margin and make killing off of services If they market it right.
 
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So what? They can easily sell it for $3,000-5,000 at a hefty 60% margin. Why? Is not about panel, it's about a brand, elegant design, convenience, ease of use and ecosystem:
  • Apple brand
  • Futuristic design
  • 8K LG OLED panel
  • Premium Atmos speakers
  • Build-in Apple Smart Home hub
  • Free AppleTV / Apple Music subscription
  • Build-in MacOS acting as iMac jumbo. Use iPhone as air mouse
  • Webcam for TikTokers and business conference
  • App Store with millions of apps
  • iPhone is instant remote out of the box
  • Apple Watch is instant remote out of the box
  • Apple AirPlay (connect your MacBook instantly)
60% margin easily

I paid $25,000 + tax for this amazing 8K LG 88 inch TV. But Apple can do even better and at a lower price:
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You paid $25k for a TV 😂😂.
 
What is the advantage of an Apple TV monitor, over a “regular” TV with an Apple TV box connected? I don’t get it.

Yes TV OS’ suck but I never use mine since I use my aTV box 95% of the time (the other 5% is a 4k Blu-Ray player). I have 0 need or interest in what’s built into the TV, since the aTV box does it all.
 
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Watch, in reality this is actually going to be the 32" display with 120hz. The size is leading manufacturers to believe it's a TV.
 
What if they made an Apple TV box that had like six HDMI 2.1 input ports on it, so it acts as a receiver, and a TV tuner built in. So it can act as a total replacement for the whole TV. Then again, Apple already removed the TOSlink port, so they are moving away from this direction rather than towards it.

And it will cost a kidney. No thanks.
 
The margins in the TV market are waay to small for Apple to be profitable. If you would make a TV with a 90% profit margin (common for Apple) it would be too expensive for most people. Most TVs these days are sold at a small loss and are subsidised by ads.
The profit is in high end sound systems, Blu-Ray players, movies discs, installations, cabling, stands, mountings, calibrations, financing and extended warranties. Sold home theater for 7 years. Margins in the sets were low single digits, sometimes none. The profits were everywhere else.
 
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I'd buy it in a heartbeat. 99.9% of my TV usage is with Apple TV, and no matter what brand of TV you buy, the TV itself is nothing but an obstacle at getting to the experience you want. It is always a balancing act of settings and connections and remotes to achieve the perfect experience. Still achievable, but it would be better to just take the Apple Television out of the box, turn it on, and be good to go like any other Apple product.
 
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I'd buy it in a heartbeat. 99.9% of my TV usage is with Apple TV, and no matter what brand of TV you buy, the TV itself is nothing but an obstacle at getting to the experience you want. It is always a balancing act of settings and connections and remotes to achieve the perfect experience. Still achievable, but it would be better to just take the Apple Television out of the box, turn it on, and be good to go like any other Apple product.
My aging mother is a perfect consumer for this sort of product. She still can’t figure out how to change inputs on the TV and never even tries. She mainly watches cable, but she likes certain streaming shows. I’ve lately been checking out Roku TVs for her because it offers a more streamlined experience to switch between cable and streaming services. I would much rather buy her an Apple TV, though, since she’s completely rapped in Apple’s ecosystem. She could more easily access photos to listen to music. An Apple branded TV makes a TON of sense.
 
What are you watching in 8K on this TV? I'm genuinely curious. Also, this TV is far outside the optimal viewing distance for 8K, based off this photo anyway. You'd have to sit much closer to that TV than you are to view 8K content as it should be viewed, which would be approximately 3 feet from the screen.
People never buy TV‘s based on optimal distance charts, it’s based on what appears is acceptable PQ at a given distance. Those charts have always had people too close to a display for higher resolutions. It’s better to sit further back and take in the whole screen with minimal eye movement then put an absolute value to your eyes ocular properties.
 
People never buy TV‘s based on optimal distance charts, it’s based on what appears is acceptable PQ at a given distance. Those charts have always had people too close to a display for higher resolutions. It’s better to sit further back and take in the whole screen with minimal eye movement then put an absolute value to your eyes ocular properties.
While I agree the optimal distances are typically closer than what is necessary, there is a big difference between being 3ft away and being 8-10ft+ away. At that distance, a person is not viewing a TV like this in true 8K.
 
While I agree the optimal distances are typically closer than what is necessary, there is a big difference between being 3ft away and being 8-10ft+ away. At that distance, a person is not viewing a TV like this in true 8K.
Does that matter since most content is not native 4K with high bitrates? Most buying 8k sets are satisfied with something marginally better with AI upscaling even though it’s far from equivalent to native 8k. ;)
 
Apple developing a TV? Too late for that! Let Apple develop a seperate payable monitor for the iMac first before we get another half baked product what’s probably just a rebranded TV from LG.

If I could give Timmy some advice: focus on the products where you are strong. Faster refresh rates of the entire line up and a sustainable, reliable platform to build on.

Todays Apple products are getting segmented with half baked products.

Make HomeKit great again even as Siri. It’s getting a total mess these days.
 
Does that matter since most content is not native 4K with high bitrates? Most buying 8k sets are satisfied with something marginally better with AI upscaling even though it’s far from equivalent to native 8k. ;)
Upscaling is generally trash though, so dropping $25k on an 8K TV to upscale 4K content to a resolution that isn't even close to 8K is money spent that you may as well have set on fire instead. I don't care what anyone does with their money though, that is entirely up to them. However, my original point about the viewing distance still stands.
 
My aging mother is a perfect consumer for this sort of product. She still can’t figure out how to change inputs on the TV and never even tries. She mainly watches cable, but she likes certain streaming shows. I’ve lately been checking out Roku TVs for her because it offers a more streamlined experience to switch between cable and streaming services. I would much rather buy her an Apple TV, though, since she’s completely rapped in Apple’s ecosystem. She could more easily access photos to listen to music. An Apple branded TV makes a TON of sense.
Yep. Fiddling with TV's is not intuitive or enjoyable. If it could just be turned on and be Apple, it would work great for a lot of people.
 
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Yep. Fiddling with TV's is not intuitive or enjoyable. If it could just be turned on and be Apple, it would work great for a lot of people.
Can't that just be solved by paying the extra for a new 4K TV to be installed and setup for the new owner? Even Apple products have people requesting assistance over the phone or in the store. ;)
 
I think there's a good chance Apple will make a TV.

In the USA, there are over 32 million active Apple TVs according to Statista. And I would guess that most of Apple TV users barely use built in apps of their smart TV, based on the fact that Apple TV just works better than the majority of smart TVs.

So I think users (including myself) would love to have at least one TV with built in Apple UI and Apps.



My aging mother is a perfect consumer for this sort of product. She still can’t figure out how to change inputs on the TV and never even tries. She mainly watches cable, but she likes certain streaming shows. I’ve lately been checking out Roku TVs for her because it offers a more streamlined experience to switch between cable and streaming services. I would much rather buy her an Apple TV, though, since she’s completely rapped in Apple’s ecosystem. She could more easily access photos to listen to music. An Apple branded TV makes a TON of sense.

As a former cable guy that's been to countless senior homes. This was one of our biggest (and easiest) trouble calls. Especially that some manufacturers like Samsung and LG default to their own streaming TV if the TV doesn't detect a live signal right away. (which can be disabled).
 
I think there's a good chance Apple will make a TV.

In the USA, there are over 32 million active Apple TVs according to Statista. And I would guess that most of Apple TV users barely use built in apps of their smart TV, based on the fact that Apple TV just works better than the majority of smart TVs.

So I think users (including myself) would love to have at least one TV with built in Apple UI and Apps.
Apple would probably do better with just selling an inexpensive set-top-box (Apple TV 4K) that you can plug into any HDMI TV to provide the user a better experience than what they have. This also works great for an older petite TV that is not smart at all. Lots of older 32" TVs as an example that people use that the larger TV manufacturers have abandoned.

Apple should consider adding a ATSC 3.0/1.0 tuner to the Apple TV 4K that would allow people even to use a computer monitor with some speakers. That also might be used with someone's computer setup.
 
If they do it they will buy Sonos and already offer the complete entertainment package.. they wont do it though. the right time to do was mid/late-ish 10s with LG OLEDs panels inside and directly compete with Samsung on more fronts and before LG grew to a behemoth in that premium space, they can set any prices they want on their panels at least until Samsung QD-Oleds grows to be a real quantity competitor.
Its too late now too make any money in the short term, they will have to build the exclusive, upscale brand in that case and raise the TV prices again compared to LG oleds etc.

If they buy Sonos they will have the ready made soundbars, complete immersed surrounds etc. I very much doubt they will make a TV and not get into the home market home cinema segment more and to make all of it will take some time, quality etc to get right
Sonos by Apple. Apple likes to buy ready businesses to build from Like Beats By Apple and many more along the way but this is another level.
I very much doubt any of this will ever happen though, Apple likes profit.
 
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They haven't yet figured out how to get the youtube app on the Apple TV working correctly - I doubt they could produce a TV that would be competitive.
Yeah, the YouTube app on ATV really sucks. Sometimes the app freezes or doesn't respond to swipes. Or only responds to certain swipes, ones I didn't ask for. Not to mention the horrible scrubbing. Plus the app is slow at times and (although this is a cross-platform issue) playlists besides Watch Later are clunky and slooooow to scroll through, with only vertical navigation and huge thumbnails. ATV is great, easily an A, but the YouTube app is an D- at best (gotta give 'em some credit for taking the initial effort, right?).
 
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Personal opinion: perhaps we're all missing the forest for the trees. I wonder if perhaps the best path forward... is basically the same as what they've done with CarPlay? Consider:

The AppleTV in its current form factor is about as optimal as it can reasonably get, in that you can connect your personal AppleTV to any old commodity display using a cheap HDMI cable, promptly granting you access to all of your subscriptions, apps and what have you (assuming an internet connection is available). It's compact and easy to toss in your luggage, so that you can plug it into the hotel's TV while you're travelling or into your parents TV when you arrive for Thanksgiving. Pretty decent, right?

One caveat is that you have to get to that AppleTV interface through whatever UI is provided by the TV vendor. That can be... suboptimal, in many cases; who knows how easy it'll be to find stuff in that interface? Some are better than others, of course... but not all are even remotely good. And of course, once you've found and switched to the input for the HDMI port that you've plugged your AppleTV into, anything involving settings on the TV itself must still be accomplished through that TV vendor's interface.

So the current crop of standalone AppleTV hardware is much like the Mac-Mini-with-any-old-monitor concept, as compared to an iMac-all-in-one concept. There are obviously advantages and disadvantages to both approaches -- but nobody is going to be carrying around their entire big screen television in their luggage... and in a market with so many incumbent brands, is there really any room for one television vendor to come in with something akin to the iMac concept? ... Even if it does happen to be Apple? (To be sure, your hotel won't be buying them -- they usually won't even spring for two-ply toilet tissue!)

Parallel to that, we have the car market. As we all know, (and as was noted in the article) Apple has abandoned their very expensive experimentation in building their own car -- however, CarPlay itself is by no means dead: in fact, conversations in this forum and in other forums have led me to the conclusion that a great many potential car buyers will immediately walk away from any vehicle on the lot which doesn't include CarPlay. (I'm among them, myself.) I think there is an interesting lesson to be learned from that -- which can be applied to the television market.

If Apple took the same approach with TVs, I think it could look something like this: like CarPlay, give TV vendors the option to implement AppleTV as an app (which as many here will know, has already been accomplished for several current TV models) but eventually give TV vendors the option to simply cede the major features of their user interface entirely to Apple -- much like CarPlay 2. Apple puts their spin on a unified TV experience, (TVPlay, maybe?) and interfaces become standardized on even super cheap TVs, such that everyone is instantly familiar with how to use it even if they've never touched that brand of TV before in their life. Different TVs are able to immediately adapt to whoever is connected as the primary viewer, such that your personalized viewing experience, logged in apps and services can all follow you -- perhaps simply by streaming portions of the interface directly off of your iPhone, much as they do with CarPlay.

Apple users win through a broader standardized interface across the TV industry designed by a company they trust, TV vendors win (just like car vendors) by providing products that they already know their customers desperately want, and Apple wins through expanding their services and subscription revenue. So much winning!

I don't know about you... but I'd buy into that in a heartbeat.

(And of course, we all know full well that if Apple does it, Android will immediately follow with their own parallel implementation... so Android users win, too!)
 
If you don't give your TV access to your WiFi you don't have to worry about it. Just hook up your Apple TV to it.
Indeed, my LG C1 was never informed of my WiFi credentials. It was connected via ethernet for a time, to ensure it got software updates.

I pulled that cable years ago, when some "genius" in LG marketing got the idea that the TV's messaging system (a primitive email sort of system that was previously used to inform of available software updates and new features) would be a great way to spam offers for various streaming services, multiple times a week (because maybe you missed the last 7 times we breathlessly told you about a special offer for Disney+).

I never clicked "agree" on the last half of the TV's license agreements, which would have enabled all the apps, and creepy levels of information collection. It doesn't have access to the network, and just serves as a display for my Apple TV and PS5 (though better than a computer monitor would, because it handles auto switching between multiple HDMI inputs, supports Dolby Vision and such, and routes audio to my Sonos speakers via eARC). The only time I touch the LG remote is on rare occasions for watching OTA broadcasts (Super Bowl, Olympics, etc.). And the display is glorious.
 
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