Will Apple release Macbook 2019?

[ng7apoc]

Thanks for the input. It’s very much appreciated.

Certainly going to wait until after WWDC, but I do think it unlikely we will see an update, Hopefully can find a good deal otherwise.

Always get jealous when I see some of the deals available in the US from Best Buy, B&H etc. Here in the UK it’s pretty rare to find retailers selling for much below the price Apple set.

 

[pjny]

Apple is leaving money on the table. At least $2000+ from me. I bought the macbook in 2015 and it is still working but new Sony cameras with big, compressed raw files bog the 1.3ghz chip and 8gb ram down to where it is easier to type in numbers instead of move sliders for exposure due to how slow capture one gets.

I do not want the air as it is heavier than macbook and if i were to go for heavier laptop i would just get the macbook pro 13".

I carry a lot of gear and every 1/2 pound adds up.

I am sure there are people who do not need a 8 core device and value weight over ultimate performance.

BTW, did anyone who processes photo raw files switch from 2015 macbook to 2017 macbook full spec with 16gb ram? i have seen the numbers on geekbench but would like to see how much snappier the new macbook is.

Thanks.

 

[Sodium Chloride]

What are the odds that we are going to see a 12" MacBook, 2 pounds with quad core CPU this year?

 

[Aquamite]

What are the odds that we are going to see a 12" MacBook, 2 pounds with quad core CPU this year?

None.

 

[Zdigital2015]

What are the odds that we are going to see a 12" MacBook, 2 pounds with quad core CPU this year?

If Apple is committed to the 12" MacBook, then it is possible that we will see an update this year with Ice Lake 9w CPUs, but Apple will have to work out the thermals first to keep it fanless. I have zero insight into the potential weight.

Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14436/intel-10th-gen-10nm-ice-lake-cpus
Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...ics-sunny-cove-thunderbolt-3-usb-c,39477.html
Source: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/processors/core/10th-gen-processors.html

 

[Aquamite]

If Apple is committed to the 12" MacBook, then it is possible that we will see an update this year with Ice Lake 9w CPUs, but Apple will have to work out the thermals first to keep it fanless. I have zero insight into the potential weight.

Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14436/intel-10th-gen-10nm-ice-lake-cpus
Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...ics-sunny-cove-thunderbolt-3-usb-c,39477.html
Source: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/processors/core/10th-gen-processors.html

No way a 9W CPU is going inside the MacBook chasis. More like in the MacBook Air if they would tweak the TDP down to 7W.

 

[Zdigital2015]

No way a 9W CPU is going inside the MacBook chasis. More like in the MacBook Air if they would tweak the TDP down to 7W.

Since Intel has not listed out the CPUs in the ARK yet, I cannot even speculate whether there are any formal TDP Down Values. I have read that it can TDP Up, though, to 12w.

I do not dispute your assertion one bit. Frankly, I think Apple should EOL the 12” MacBook, put Ice Lake in the 13” MacBook Air and introduce a 15” MacBook Air as well, with Touch ID only, to bridge the gap between the Air and the Pro. I really would have preferred Apple to have used the 15w U-Series in the 2018 MBA as they had used in the previous iterations, but it was not to be. Hopefully, Ice Lake is on the agenda sooner rather than later.

 

[Aquamite]

I think the MacBook is a great fan less computer that shouldn’t be EOLed but updated to new CPUs as soon as Ice Lake Y CPUs suitable for it are available. And although I doubt it maybe with Ice Lake we could see TB3 support on the MacBook which would be awesome.

 

[Zdigital2015]

I think the MacBook is a great fan less computer that shouldn’t be EOLed but updated to new CPUs as soon as Ice Lake Y CPUs suitable for it are available. And although I doubt it maybe with Ice Lake we could see TB3 support on the MacBook which would be awesome.

Well, Ice Lake-Y has onboard TB3, so we’re good there. IIRC, Apple has TDP Upped a few of the Core-M and the Y-Series, so a TDP down to 7w is possible or maybe the 12” chassis has a bit more headroom that we think it does. Although I still think we’re in for LPDDR3 (-2133 flavored) to keep heat down. Time will tell, I guess.

 

[Aquamite]

Well, Ice Lake-Y has onboard TB3, so we’re good there. IIRC, Apple has TDP Upped a few of the Core-M and the Y-Series, so a TDP down to 7w is possible or maybe the 12” chassis has a bit more headroom that we think it does. Although I still think we’re in for LPDDR3 (-2133 flavored) to keep heat down. Time will tell, I guess.

Current MacBook RAM is clocked at 1866 MHz so maybe it’ll remain the same on the next gen.

Actually I kinda have some hopes for a WWDC unveil of a new MacBook. It would make a great machine for developers.

 

[Zdigital2015]

Current MacBook RAM is clocked at 1866 MHz so maybe it’ll remain the same on the next gen.

Actually I kinda have some hopes for a WWDC unveil of a new MacBook. It would make a great machine for developers.

I don’t get too excited about Intel CPUs anymore, but I am “warming” up to Ice Lake.

 

[deconstruct60]

If Apple is committed to the 12" MacBook, then it is possible that we will see an update this year with Ice Lake 9w CPUs, but Apple will have to work out the thermals first to keep it fanless. I have zero insight into the potential weight.

Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14436/intel-10th-gen-10nm-ice-lake-cpus
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These aren't just CPUs so need to be careful about getting alarmist about TDP creep. These 10th generation chips have a built in WiFi/Bluetooth control functionality. Apple may or may not use Intel's chip. If they don't and there is a way to turn it off. that may claw back 1-2+W right there. The TDP probably also includes using all 4 Thunderbolt ports. MacBook would only have 1 port for the whole entire system (if they stick to the one-port-wonder design). Again, can probably claw back 1-2W. Even if 2W in each case now back to 5W which is a pragmatically a very small gap from 4.5W

Apple has the special Wi-Fi tricks they have for autopairing and AirDrop etc. Even if they do happen to use all that with Intel's chip then the larger discrete chip ( you still need a smaller discrete radio interface chip for Intel's "built in' solution), then it is more so a ballon squeeze on TDP. (loose most of TDP for discrete Wi-Fi and gain TDP for integrated Wi-FI. Overall system wise that could be a clean wash. )

Thunderbolt v3 controller. TDP 2.4W (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...1/intel-jhl7440-thunderbolt-3-controller.html )
there is almost two packed into the CPU package. So if there are fine grain power management dynamic control when 3/4 isn't being used could get back 2+W off the nominal mark for the CPU.
Apple could even try to maximize the "one port wonder" common status with the iPad Pro and not enable the Thunderbolt at all. That even would probably climb over 2W mark. ( If the long term plot is to sub in their iPad Pro SoC solution they may not want to add it. )

the Y version may be just 2 cores but coupled to bigger graphics.

In short, if they unload many of the new I/O features of the CPU package and only emphasize the new x86 cores and new GPU it probably isn't a big jump in TDP.

I think 10th gen (Ice Lake) U is a far closer match to what Apple wanted for either the MBA or a revised MBP 13" with function keys. I suspect the Y class implemtation is off from Apple's "most wanted" list and honestly probably agitated because their A12X is probably pretty competitive with.

 

[Zdigital2015]

These aren't just CPUs so need to be careful about getting alarmist about TDP creep. These 10th generation chips have a built in WiFi/Bluetooth control functionality. Apple may or may not use Intel's chip. If they don't and there is a way to turn it off. that may claw back 1-2+W right there. The TDP probably also includes using all 4 Thunderbolt ports. MacBook would only have 1 port for the whole entire system (if they stick to the one-port-wonder design). Again, can probably claw back 1-2W. Even if 2W in each case now back to 5W which is a pragmatically a very small gap from 4.5W

Apple has the special Wi-Fi tricks they have for autopairing and AirDrop etc. Even if they do happen to use all that with Intel's chip then the larger discrete chip ( you still need a smaller discrete radio interface chip for Intel's "built in' solution), then it is more so a ballon squeeze on TDP. (loose most of TDP for discrete Wi-Fi and gain TDP for integrated Wi-FI. Overall system wise that could be a clean wash. )

Thunderbolt v3 controller. TDP 2.4W (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...1/intel-jhl7440-thunderbolt-3-controller.html )
there is almost two packed into the CPU package. So if there are fine grain power management dynamic control when 3/4 isn't being used could get back 2+W off the nominal mark for the CPU.
Apple could even try to maximize the "one port wonder" common status with the iPad Pro and not enable the Thunderbolt at all. That even would probably climb over 2W mark. ( If the long term plot is to sub in their iPad Pro SoC solution they may not want to add it. )

the Y version may be just 2 cores but coupled to bigger graphics.

In short, if they unload many of the new I/O features of the CPU package and only emphasize the new x86 cores and new GPU it probably isn't a big jump in TDP.

I think 10th gen (Ice Lake) U is a far closer match to what Apple wanted for either the MBA or a revised MBP 13" with function keys. I suspect the Y class implemtation is off from Apple's "most wanted" list and honestly probably agitated because their A12X is probably pretty competitive with.

Intel's lack of product specifics with regards to the above is driving me a bit nuts. I really hate when they announce, provide what seems like a lot of info, but it really isn't. Basically, we'll have to wait until Computex is over and Intel decides to disclose more to the press. I have seen zero useful information so far. Lots of marketing and the basic building bricks, but that is it.

It does make me wonder whether the 12" MacBook is going to go ARM sooner rather than later.

 

[deconstruct60]

Intel's lack of product specifics with regards to the above is driving me a bit nuts. I really hate when they announce, provide what seems like a lot of info, but it really isn't. Basically, we'll have to wait until Computex is over and Intel decides to disclose more to the press. I have seen zero useful information so far. Lots of marketing and the basic building bricks, but that is it.

The systems vendors know and that is primary what counts. Intel really isn't going to sell a tremendously larger number of laptops with most consumers if the Wi-Fi subsystem is integrated or discrete. If it works they aren't going to care. If the battery life gets better , costs the same (or less) , and the laptop is more than faster enough for mainstream work... that's what will work.

I left the Anandtech link in the quote because the fact that Intel integrated a couple of formerly discrete chips/subsystems is part of the their marketing material (it is all over the slideware linked in the article). They don't do a blow-by-blow benefits trade-off analysis of adding them all to the package, but generally "more stuff, means more power". Things like Wi-Fi don't go 100% 'free' power just because got small enough to comfortably put on the same die or package. Thunderbolt even less so.

When Intel Foveros stuff hits the market with the 3-7W PCH chip mounted underneath the CPU system die... that 3-7W isn't going to completely disappear because the PCH didn't disappear.

It does make me wonder whether the 12" MacBook is going to go ARM sooner rather than later.

If the 10th Gen Y makes constructing the system board easier for Apple (i.e., uses the Wi-Fi chip, the re-driver for Thunderbolt is small enough to fit on path to the single port , Apple wants TB on the MacBook with the basic current case design constraints ) then probably later. Apple won't pass up "less work" for themselves.


If the stuff that Intel added to the Y-Series doesn't help them implement the MacBook more quickly then maybe sooner. Or that the MacBook just disappears... becomes the iBook ( with "iPad Pro OS" ). Dropping the MacBook again would make sense if adding back in the 16-17" and going "bigger" ( not 'Air' thin across whole line up) with the Mac laptop line up. The retina MBA is already on a Y-Series. Just stop there and not 'too small'. [ There is a 0.72 pound / 0.33kg difference. which isn't all that large and Apple could shave a bit off over time to make the gap a little smaller. But not so small that drop down to just one port. ]

There are apparently a large group of folks who are about 'done' with the ever thinner MBP path ( and the associated stuff like the butterfly keyboard. Remember the current Macbook is what kicked off this whole butterfly keys as a 'necessity' in the first place. ). If add something to address that and there are only a fixed number of slots for Mac products, something would get dropped. ( e.g., to bring in MBA 11" and 13" the previous MacBook got dropped. )

The case design compromises that Apple made with the MacBook all do line up with an Apple A-series ARM though. The question would be which future OS iteration would they install.

 

[kvyoung]

Isn’t the MacBook 12 the likely contender to eventually move to Apple’s own ARM based chips since they run fanless and allow for a thin and light profile as well as insane battery life. Toss in LTE like the iPads and you have an always connected device to compete against Windows always connected PC’s. If iOS 13 were to add mouse support could we see an ARM based touch screen iOSBook running iOS with ports of some MacOS applications to follow? It would certainly solve the problem of productivity Apps on iPad with no mouse support. It would also fit with the vision of converging OS’s and moving to ARM. I may be just dreaming but Apple under Jobs always seemed to wow us. The iPad Pro already have storage surpassing the MacBook 12. If they are going to move off Intel the MacBook 12 seems like the most appropriate Mac to do it with.

 

[537635]

Would buy that the moment they announced it.

Macbook chassis, ARM, LTE, Apple's productivity suite + normal file
system. Bonus points for touchscreen and FaceID.

Unbeatable combo.



Problem is - that would seriously cut into Macbook Pro sales.

Isn’t the MacBook 12 the likely contender to eventually move to Apple’s own ARM based chips since they run fanless and allow for a thin and light profile as well as insane battery life. Toss in LTE like the iPads and you have an always connected device to compete against Windows always connected PC’s. If iOS 13 were to add mouse support could we see an ARM based touch screen iOSBook running iOS with ports of some MacOS applications to follow? It would certainly solve the problem of productivity Apps on iPad with no mouse support. It would also fit with the vision of converging OS’s and moving to ARM. I may be just dreaming but Apple under Jobs always seemed to wow us. The iPad Pro already have storage surpassing the MacBook 12. If they are going to move off Intel the MacBook 12 seems like the most appropriate Mac to do it with.

 

[Aquamite]

Isn’t the MacBook 12 the likely contender to eventually move to Apple’s own ARM based chips since they run fanless and allow for a thin and light profile as well as insane battery life. Toss in LTE like the iPads and you have an always connected device to compete against Windows always connected PC’s. If iOS 13 were to add mouse support could we see an ARM based touch screen iOSBook running iOS with ports of some MacOS applications to follow? It would certainly solve the problem of productivity Apps on iPad with no mouse support. It would also fit with the vision of converging OS’s and moving to ARM. I may be just dreaming but Apple under Jobs always seemed to wow us. The iPad Pro already have storage surpassing the MacBook 12. If they are going to move off Intel the MacBook 12 seems like the most appropriate Mac to do it with.

The vision of converging OSs is a fantasy that will never happen. Craig F. said.

 

[deconstruct60]

...If iOS 13 were to add mouse support could we see an ARM based touch screen iOSBook running iOS with ports of some MacOS applications to follow?

Apple owns the trademark to 'iBook'. Prune out the "OS" out of iOSBook and ta-da. A name they already own.

It would also fit with the vision of converging OS’s and moving to ARM.

Next weeks WWDC should make it more clear but Apple probably isn't converging the OS's as much as they are on a 1-2 year path to converge the AppStores. Developers will compose an application bundle that can adapt to various OS platforms and "thin" itself on deployment from the AppStore. So if download to an iPhone then you get the iPhone subset of the app. Download to a Mac and you get the Mac app resources subset.

From the end user perspective of bought once deploy where they want it is the "merged OS", but underneath it will be a slightly different story. ( nor will the feature set be 100% the same everywhere on each app. )

If they do that it will be easier to split the macOS coverage into part ARM ( lower 'half' of laptop line up and perhaps grow that over time) and part x86 (desktops and shrink the upper "half" of the laptop line up over time). In short, no "big bang" switch over of Mac CPU.

Apple sells relatively expensive keyboards with iPad Pro ( and iPads) so iOS (at least the subset for the iPad line up) can't just be pure touch only. Touchpad (vs mouse focused ) support may only overlap. iOS for iPad Pro is going to expand but that doesn't mean it is going to grow to subsume all of macOS feature set. (that end goal is 'merge' as opposed to being 'more useful' with set of hardware add ons it is sold with. )

I may be just dreaming but Apple under Jobs always seemed to wow us.

I suspect the 'Wow' is going to be automagically context adapting application GUIs that change to be most useful on the platform you are on. From the outside it will look like "Write once, run anywhere with not sacrifices in looking 'good' ". Under the covers where the developers are it won't be 100% magical. They will be work to do, but Apple is going to try to make it "somewhat easy" to do ( so that more folks do it).

Super good autolayout has been a Holy Grail objective for lots of years. If Apple gets pretty close that will be a 'Wow'.

The iPad Pro already have storage surpassing the MacBook 12. If they are going to move off Intel the MacBook 12 seems like the most appropriate Mac to do it with.

The problem is if that is the only Mac they flip to ARM how does the macOS software ecosystem work? If they keep the binaries separate for a longer period of time how do folks react to their legacy apps and keeping track of which copy goes where.

But yes... tossing the A-series processor that they are doing for the iPad Pro anyway into a MacBook 'container' shouldn't be that hard. Especially if they both have exactly one port that implements the same socket type and implementation. The MacBook and the iPad Pro have been largely coupled all along.
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The vision of converging OSs is a fantasy that will never happen. Craig F. said.

Merging versus converging are a subtle difference. iOS and macOS share a basic kernel (Mach). Same HFS+ and now APFS. Same Metal for graphics stack. That's isn't really a "convergence" or a "merge" since they have been 'shared" all along.

What has crept in are some 'forks' where the development on iOS has added a subset of stuff that Apple didn't fold back into the common subset. For example, HFS+ added a bunch of smaller features that macOS never got. As that HFS+ fork drifted more apart from the mainline, Apple decided to do APFS so that could 'undo' the drift apart and get a more modern filesystem (oriented toward being SSD everywhere. ). Labeling that "fork undo" as convergence is appropriate.

The notion that lots of folks have spread is that Apple is trying to completely merge iOS and macOS into one single OS line of development. "One OS to rule them all". That's seems to be 'No' as they have said. They aren't looking to remove all the differences. Nor looking to put everything into one overly complicated pile. But they also aren't looking to keeping them maximally different either. Sharing major components like the kernel , file systems , etc helps keeps costs and maintenance overhead down. You don't have to 'fix' multiple forked version 2-4 times. Less time spent porting to different code forks means can they can spend more time on fixing more issues (as opposed to 4 variations of the same issue. [ there are always more bugs and new feature requests than there are developers available. ]

Same for tvOS , watchOS . Some subset different, but not wholly different.

Making them so different that developers can't deploy to all four OS without "painful" effort is bad for the whole ecosystem ( especially when there is some baseline commonly present). Apple is probably moving to make that "easier". That is only a merge/convergence of possibly the AppStore not necessarily the operating systems.
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Would buy that the moment they announced it.

Macbook chassis, ARM, LTE, Apple's productivity suite + normal file
system. Bonus points for touchscreen and FaceID.

Unbeatable combo.



Problem is - that would seriously cut into Macbook Pro sales.

For those who have either high amounts of legacy macOS apps , virtual machine workload ( Windows, Linux , etc) , and "heavy lifting" performance there wouldn't be much of a dent in MBP sales.

Folks who get 98+% of their apps from the AppStore, run a single macOS instance all the time, and need always on connection with max mobile size and weight then yes. But not sure that should have been a core MBP sales market in the first place.

Thinnest at all costs also has chance that it screws up LTE. Where will the antennas go? It is doable if they back off of weight slightly, but the mania requirement on reducing weight gets in the way.


P.S. the Macbook would probably have problems with FaceID. The quest to make it as light as possible compromised room for a camera ( which is why it distinctly trails the resolution of the newer design for MBA and MBP in resolution. If trowing resolution out the window to strip weight.... FaceID isn't going to work. It is actually an even bigger camera subsystem.

Nor is Apple likely to put a touchscreen on it with macOS. iOS for iPad Pro and a 360 2-in-1 hinge so that the OS was touch skewed (an iPad with a keyboard permanently attached) perhaps, but not with macOS.

 

[tim0409]

Thanks for the input. It’s very much appreciated.

Certainly going to wait until after WWDC, but I do think it unlikely we will see an update, Hopefully can find a good deal otherwise.

Always get jealous when I see some of the deals available in the US from Best Buy, B&H etc. Here in the UK it’s pretty rare to find retailers selling for much below the price Apple set.

I bought 2 x MacBooks (one is for my wife) and 1 x MBA in the recent BB sale, and I am still deciding whether to keep the MBA or the MacBook so keep an eye out on eBay as I will be selling one of them when I return to Scotland after my holiday! It will be interesting to see what happens at WWDC re the MacBook, but in some respects I hope they don't update them now that I have bought two!

 

[Aquamite]

I wonder if we will get Touch ID or a T chip in a new MacBook Air. I'd really love to have a T chip in a MacBook. That'd really make it the perfect Mac for me with 512GB and 16GB RAM and if it came with Touch ID even better. Thunderbolt 3 I guess is out of the question until the Intel Y Series chip in the MacBook has support for it as standard.

 

[Neodym]

maybe shrink the bezels slightly with a fractionally larger screen (as they can't go any smaller and retain a full sized KB).

Umm - they actually could go smaller: The IBM s30i from 2001(!) offered a (nearly) full sized keyboard with a 10.4” display. Typing on that keyboard is a pleasure still today and can absolutely compete with the MacBook 12, despite slightly smaller keys.

That said, I actually wait for Apple to introduce a fully virtual keyboard with the haptic click feedback of multiple Taptic Engines (which already work pretty well on current Apple Trackpads). I expect that to be Apple’s solution to the continuing problems with their butterfly keyboards. Would be a nice companion to the first ARM CPU in a MacBook ... (where is my popcorn?)

 

[Falhófnir]

Umm - they actually could go smaller: The IBM s30i from 2001(!) offered a (nearly) full sized keyboard with a 10.4” display. Typing on that keyboard is a pleasure still today and can absolutely compete with the MacBook 12, despite slightly smaller keys.

That said, I actually wait for Apple to introduce a fully virtual keyboard with the haptic click feedback of multiple Taptic Engines (which already work pretty well on current Apple Trackpads). I expect that to be Apple’s solution to the continuing problems with their butterfly keyboards. Would be a nice companion to the first ARM CPU in a MacBook ... (where is my popcorn?)

Watch the 2015 MB presentation - they specifically say the dimensions of the computer were dictated by the size of the KB. Maybe they could go smaller by changing the layout etc, but they sounded pretty committed to a full size layout. I guess it's so you don't have to specifically adjust to it coming from another mac? I'm afraid a virtual KB without any real key travel would be the nail in the coffin for me. I already don't prefer the butterfly design, though I think I can make a go of it. I would rather they switched to the magic KB mechanism - near universally praised, even though it's not got much more travel, and not a complaint about reliability in sight. I also have my doubts whether generating feedback for even a moderately fast typer would be possible - think about how quickly your finger is striking the key and leaving it when you're going at speed. There's got to be some delay while the key registers a strike and the engine generates the feedback, and I don't think it can be done quickly enough for it to be felt, then stop in time for the cycle to repeat. I am looking forward to the ARM macs though, Apple's doing some brilliant stuff on the CPU (and now GPU) side of things...

 

[spraycansoul]

Probably very slim, but what are the chances we will see spec updates to the 12” MacBook or MacBook Air?

 

[BODYBUILDERPAUL]

As a huge fan of the MacBook 12"I really have not got a clue as to its future now. Apple seem to be very quiet about it now. Even yesterday, Tim Cook plugged the MacBook Air during his presentation.
It's a real shame. The Air doesn't seem to offer anything exciting. What a shame that the new Air had a brand new design type to it with round screen & Face I.D. just like the incredible iPad Pro.

Currently as it stands, I'm saving for a new design 13"-14" MacBook Pro for 2020 (HOPEFULLY) as I'm not confident in the future of MacBook 12" UNLESS it's the first with ARM but since my MacBook is my main device that I use for everything including a lot of Final Cut Pro work, a new MacBoo Pro would suit me better

 

[skogkatt]

I can't believe they didn't update the Macbook for the WWDC. At least a spec bump! I'm pretty disappointed.
I understand they didn't want to take attention away from the new Mac Pro, but it would have been a nice thing to unveil the professionals-only uber-expensive studio-designed Mac Pro and at the same time the cheapest ultramobile for-everybody Macbook... Both the ends of the spectrum.