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I'm amazed how it's possible for something to be not very good and overused at the same time...

www.microsoft.com/windows/

:D

But seriously, flash is terrible on the Mac, Wifi in Leopard is awful, Office 2008 is a joke (Microsofts' fault), they're desktops apart from the macpro are all way behind the curve of Core i7 systems because they're stuck using a 2 core laptop cpu from 2007...

If I was a potential switcher, I'd have to REALLY hate windows to do it these days. Seeing as I REALLY hate windows and mainly use my mac for general internet and audio work, I couldn't care less about more than the Wi-fi issues and the poor spec of the desktop line myself but flash is part of that.
 
Latest version (10.0.32.18) STILL SUCKS!

My system specs: Latest MacBook 2.13 running OS 10.6.1, using 4GB of Crucial RAM. I did a clean install of Snow Leopard, and then used the Flash uninstaller to do an uninstall of Flash. Then I repaired permissions. Then I did a restart. Then I installed the latest version of Flash (for Intel Macs), which is version 10.0.32.18. Then I restarted and repaired permissions. Then did another restart. I GET THE SAME DAMN CRAP WITH FANS SPINNING LIKE CRAZY WHEN I OPEN A WEB PAGE WITH FLASH! :mad: Will Flash on the Mac ever not suck??? This same crap has been going on for several years already! WHEN will Flash on the Mac finally not suck???
 
The latest scoop is that Flash is causing plenty of problems on the new 27" iMac. As if that qualifies as news! Seriously, is there any Mac in existence where Flash does not cause problems?
 
I'm running a long Flash video on YouTube, also have many more tabs open in Camino + Mail, iTunes, Terminal & Skype are running. The fans are not audible. My trick is not to upgrade to the latest version of Flash, I stick with whatever version Apple ships with OS X and only upgrade if it shows up on Software Updates.

Leaving yourself open to exploits.

Flash is a known security risk and you should upgrade it whenever adobe produce an update, because it is generally to fill in the latest security hole that has been discovered.
 
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What's your temperature? Are you using any sort of fan control software? This is pretty cool...
 
Every time a Flash popup apprears on a Web page, my fans spin like crazy.
I visit sites constantly that are loaded with Flash, but I've never had my fans spin up as a result. I've only had my fans spin up beyond normal levels a handful of times over the past year. I don't think Flash is the sole culprit here. There's got to be something else going on with your system and environment that is contributing to the fans spinning up.
Adobe is run by incompetent windows execs who look no further ahead in time then pushing out fat bloated barely new featured and hugely expensive "editions" just in time for the next quarter's stock / shareholder meeting.
Well said! Adobe is the poster child for bloatware.
clicktoflash is an open source Safari (WebKit) plug-in which prevents Flash loading unless you click the graphic representing the Flash content.
Good recommendation! I've been very pleased with the control that Click2Flash gives.
 
Flash 10 doesn't cause me any problems...2.4 GHz uMBP running 10.5.8. BUT since I'm stuck with 1.5 Mbps internet, I hate flash content other than videos because it uses up all my bandwidth. :mad: I stay away from flash based websites at all costs.
 
As most of Windows use Flash, Adobe will mainly stick around Windows. So probably, no. Too disappointing that Adobe is used on almost webpage nowadays! It keeps getting bigger and bigger. They need to work on versions for the Mac.
 
Is Flash as bad on Intel Macs as it is on G5s at the same clock speed?

No, I would say it is not as bad. This is probably because they didn't have as much PPC optimization in the code as they did x86 optimization that transferred over from Windows/Linux.
 
What's your temperature? Are you using any sort of fan control software? This is pretty cool...
I don't remember with Leopard. Right now with SL the CPU is 77C while a youtube vid is running. Fans are steadily @ ~2000rpm. I've tried fan control software a few years ago but don't do any system tweaking these days.

PS: fans going up to 2500 after watching a few more videos.
 
Can't say it sucks, anymore.

But my old Power Mac G5 (1.8) was horrible.
 

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The worst that usually happens on my end is the fans spin up. The Flash content plats fine, it's just using a helluva lot of cpu. Once I exit the Flash content, everything's back to normal.

It's not *that* bad, at least for me. YYMV, however.
 
I love ClickToFlash as it gives me some control over what flash I want to see.
 
I can't wait until the day that flash bites the dust in favor of HTML5. Just look at how fast this loads and what your cpu usage is at when HTML5 is being used on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/html5

The day YouTube replaces Flash is the day the internet starts replacing Flash, and I can't wait for that day.
 
The title of this thread made me laugh; it is so true.

We have several Mac's at our house, a Power Mac is OK, and an iMac handles it decently, in short usage... But both MacBook Pro's; forget it, (even a 2009 uni-body 2.53 GHz).

The reason it sucks so bad for us is, our 9 year old loves to play those games on Web sites where the whole game plays within a Web browser, all in Flash. Good concept; he can play the games without having to install anything, (and it keeps him busy a while when I'm working!!). But man, after a while I have to ask him to exit, the fan running at max RPM after a while makes it sound like it's gonna blow up!
 
This is the same reply I put in Chromium discussion group about Flash:

I don't think Flash is evil. I just think it sux.
I discover Flash was a very poorly optimized software when I starting
using a laptop. The fan goes up because of the intensive cpu use and
the battery goes down fast.
It doesn't matter what Chromium developers do to change it. This is a
Flash problem. The way to end this problem is to end Flash by itself.
Remember how websites had flash introductions? Well, people realized
that was a waste of time (for the end-user) and bandwidth (for the
server).
You still can see websites made completely in Flash but it's not as
common as before. Today the good web developers are using CSS and
Javascript for animations. They work great and keep the cpu cool. That
means less and less web developers are using Flash. [Check a website
I'm developing, www.miknos.com to see a smooth animation without flash
and cpu friendly].
The only reason Flash is keeping a high user-base (around 95% of
computers) it's because of video. Before we had RealPlayer, Quicktime,
Windows Media and others. Flash manage to fix that problem (at the
cost of having a cpu hog).
Html5 (the new standard) have embed video incorporated. Safari and
Firefox already have it, so you can see html5 sites (google it).
Something pushing back is the standard codec to use. Apple wants H.264
and the other part want OGG. H.264 is better (quality/compression) but
OGG is open-source.
Whatever wins, I believe big websites are going to push Html5 and the
end of Flash. Youtube is already pushing the end of Internet Explorer
6. [ Maybe when html5 becomes standard, we'll see youtube pushing it and Flash crap will end ]

For a better browsing experience, use GlimmerBlocker for blocking ads and Click2Flash for Flash crap. Click2Flash has a nice feature. In youtube, it opens the videos in mp4 format using quicktime instead of flash (like the iPhone).
 
i think the one of the reasons for flash using so much cpu under mac is from apples implement when they deiced to run plug ins as a separate process under 64bit safari.Under 64bit safari there is a 100-105% cpu usage and the fans go crazy! just from flash. Under 32bit safari there is 45% cpu usage and i almost never hear the fans.Problem is 64bit safari is way faster at launching,browsing,etc. Dont worry though because adode is coming out with a GPU powered version of flash mainly aimed at netbooks but will be available on the mac as well...
 
This thread was both entertaining and infromative :D

I had seen REALLY bad Flash performance with Safari on my 1st gen MBP when it first came out. Was much better with Firefox.

Then with an update (I forget when) it started running "better".

On my new iMac it runs well enough, but definitely shouldn't be using as much CPU, I feel. I'll have to do a Dr. Evil benchmark myself. :D One with Safari, Camino and Firefox.

EDIT:
Here are my screen grabs...

Performance isn't too different on 21.5 iMac (with ATI)
 

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