Will Flash on the Mac ever not suck?

[ThomasJL]

Latest Flash Version 10.0.42.34 SUCKS!!!

The latest Flash version--10.0.42.34--was released on December 8, 2009. It still sucks! The fans still spin like crazy when I watch a YouTube video on my 2.13 GHz MacBook with 4 GB RAM.

What the Hell is wrong with Adobe???

 

[ViViDboarder]

The latest Flash version--10.0.42.34--was released on December 8, 2009. It still sucks! The fans still spin like crazy when I watch a YouTube video on my 2.13 GHz MacBook with 4 GB RAM.

What the Hell is wrong with Adobe???

I don't think it's Adobe really... I mean, it works great on the Nexus one... It's gotta be something to do with Apple.

I'm going to go out there and say it's a conspiracy!! Jobs is crippling Mac Flash to validate him leaving it out of iPhone OS!!

 

[ThomasJL]

10.1: Here we go again...

Well, Adobe said 10.1 will use GPU hardware acceleration to make Flash run properly on newer Macs. It still sucks because the same problems have not been solved!

Yes, I have one of those Macs that's supposed to run flash better (mid-2009 MacBook). The fans still spin like crazy.

Adobe acquired Macromedia on December 12, 2005. So, in over four-and-a-half years, Adobe still has not made any noticeable improvements to the way Flash runs on Macs.

Four-and-a-half friggin' years, and they still haven't fixed this problem. What the hell is wrong with Adobe???

 

[Bernard SG]

Well, Adobe said 10.1 will use GPU hardware acceleration to make Flash run properly on newer Macs. It still sucks because the same problems have not been solved!

Yes, I have one of those Macs that's supposed to run flash better (mid-2009 MacBook). The fans still spin like crazy.

Adobe acquired Macromedia on December 12, 2005. So, in over four-and-a-half years, Adobe still has not made any noticeable improvements to the way Flash runs on Macs.

Four-and-a-half friggin' years, and they still haven't fixed this problem. What the hell is wrong with Adobe???

And then some people would like to force Apple to allow Flash on iOS ...

 

[weckart]

I don't think it's Adobe really... I mean, it works great on the Nexus one... It's gotta be something to do with Apple.

I'm going to go out there and say it's a conspiracy!! Jobs is crippling Mac Flash to validate him leaving it out of iPhone OS!!

It's definitely something to do with Apple hardware and the way it interacts with the OS. When I run flash on my hackintosh netbook, the temperature rarely climbs above the high 50°Cs - a good 10-15°C lower than my Macbooks and the fans rarely make more than a low whine. Nothing like the vacuum cleaner impression my Macbooks perform.

Netbooks are built for low heat and power usage albeit at a lower performance, but it is the same youtube videos running on the same OS on all my machines with the same flash plugin and the beefier set up of the Macbooks ought to take those low-res videos in their stride.

 

[KirkL]

It's definitely something to do with Apple hardware and the way it interacts with the OS. When I run flash on my hackintosh netbook, the temperature rarely climbs above the high 50°Cs - a good 10-15°C lower than my Macbooks and the fans rarely make more than a low whine. Nothing like the vacuum cleaner impression my Macbooks perform.

Netbooks are built for low heat and power usage albeit at a lower performance, but it is the same youtube videos running on the same OS on all my machines with the same flash plugin and the beefier set up of the Macbooks ought to take those low-res videos in their stride.

I don't have an issue with Flash and my new MBP. Not saying the problem doesn't exist, just that it might not be universal

 

[hakuryuu]

To be honest i never had any performance issues (and subsequently didn't understand why people complained) with Flash on any of my machines until the most recent update. Now it uses a lot more of the cpu than before.

 

[ViViDboarder]

I just got an EVO 4G and it runs INCREDIBLY well on it. So it's definitely not Adobe. There is something to do with Macs in general. It's definitely odd. Now my tongue-in-cheek comment about the conspiracy is seeming more plausible...

 

[ThomasJL]

I really don't see any noticeable improvement between the way the latest version of Flash runs on my mid-2009 MacBook with 4 GB of memory than the way Flash used to run on my late 2004 iBook during that time.

Adobe always hypes up their upcoming versions of Flash as being more efficient, but it is always a disappointment for Mac users. The CPU gets worked hard, and the fans spin like crazy.

 

[chrono1081]

Basically, in short, its Adobe.

Adobe went to **** after buying out their competition. Adobe needs to re-write flash using current Apple APIs but they wont because it is a lot of work on their end. They claim they need certain access to things in the system, partially for performance, but also knowing Adobe software, partially for planting all kinds of goodies aka garbage like they do on windows machines (and to an extent, on mac, but not as severe).

Apple gave them access to GPU acceleration and thats it. Thats all Adobe really needed (or claimed to need) which makes no sense IMO since flash runs fine on many machines without it. (Ive never had a problem with flash on any mac).

Now that Adobe has GPU acceleration....well, we just have to wait for them to do whatever with it.


Adobe has a long history of ****** software. Even their CS series (which I used to be HUGELY fond of) has gone to hell. It is not the company it used to bed. And don't get me started on acrobat. Acrobat 8 was so buggy that it was always causing our work machines to crash or go corrupt. Adobes solution? (Straight from a high up tech supervisor) Upgrade to Adobe 9 0_0. No fixes, no nothing. Just upgrade.

Ok enough of that tangent. Apple has plenty of fair reason to hate Adobe.

 

[mmulin]

It won't happen. Every single day, Flash is becoming more-and-more used on Web sites. If anything, the world will increasingly adopt Flash...

I think you got it wrong. Flash was the de facto standard of the past. This is why you see it everywhere - perhaps you missed a few years? (j/k). Your argumentation of Flash "becoming more-and-more used" is inherently flawed. You are right though that it is undeniable with us for now. Nevertheless, new standards are pushing and big content players considering the move to HTML5 with a few already having switched. Eventually, the sites you mentioned, will move along. Content doesn't disappear just because the delivery method is changing!

As for your actual question, I don't think so. Adobe proves over and over that they are not able to pull this feat. A lot of people are complaining about the MacOSX version because it is so bad that it makes the Windows version look so good; which it isn't at all. Just playing a bit better over there.

 

[mmulin]

I don't think it's Adobe really... I mean, it works great on the Nexus one... It's gotta be something to do with Apple.
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It works on the Nexus One. I can confirm it but that's it. And for the very same reason, the "how it works", Apple doesn't want to have it on the iOS.. Have some flash running and watch your battery going south.. no thanks.

 

[Tanto]

When I am using Photoshop extensively with iTunes and a couple other programs running, my CPU temps are just below 50 degrees C. However, once I go to a site that is mostly flash, my temps shoot up by ~25 degrees C and my fan starts whirring noticeably. I do not appreciate this at all because I have a laptop and it seriously eats into my battery life (not to mention a very HOT laptop resting on your legs).

HTML5 is the future regardless of what Adobe says. Their Flash products (like all products Adobe) are incredibly expensive and the advantages of Flash grow smaller and smaller everyday as more browsers become more compliant with emerging internet standards. Flash was a big deal back when websites were static, CSS didn't exist, and JS was a shadow of what it has become but that's all changed now. The biggest hurdle of HTML5 is the way each browser chooses to interpret WW3 standards and having to build pages that require coding that takes this into account but its an imperfect science still. It's gotten better with Chrome and Safari's latest editions of their browsers but until every browser interprets code in exactly the same way, the advantage of Flash remains, unfortunately.