The Pros have 10Gbps 3.0 speeds. Might want to get your details straight before ranting.
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The Pros have 10Gbps 3.0 speeds. Might want to get your details straight before ranting.
You now have iPhone options with high speed transfer. If you just want to remain angry, well, I guess they allowed you to do that too.
Furthermore, USB 3.0 in 2023 is pathetic. Macs have had USB 3.0 support since 2012, and the first smartphone released with USB 3.0 was in 2013, which was 10 years ago.
Is 10 year old technology something to get excited about in 2023, after paying up to $1599 for it?
For that price, Thunderbolt 4 should've been included. What the hell is the point of Macs having Thunderbolt if no iPhones can transfer at those speeds?
Man, no wonder Tim Cook gets away with ripping customers off: so many fanboys will defend him no matter how low he goes!
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In 2023, USB 3.0 doesn't qualify as "high speed".
What is the point of Thunderbolt 3 or 4 being included on all Macs for years if no iPhones have them?
So many people on this forum will defend Tim Cook no matter how disrespectful he is to his customers.
Ah, how this has aged... as Apple just announces the iPhone 15 with USB-C 2.0 speeds. Yep, 0.48 Gbps. Released in 2000, 23 years ago.
Meanwhile:
Intel just announced Thunderbolt 5 at 80 Gbps. 160 time faster.
My 2021 16" M1 Pro MBP has Thunderbolt 4 / USB-C 4 at 40 Gbps. 80 times faster.
At least the iPhone 15 Pro has USB-C 3.1 at 10 Gbps. Released 2013, 10 years ago.
4 times slower than my 2021 MBP.
Why would you when the data speeds of Lightning are 0.48 Gbps, whilst the USB-C 4 on a MBP is 40 Gbps. 80 times faster.
Lightning is so excruciatingly slow that there's no point in bothering.
Exactly.
Thunderbolt 3 has been included on Macs for the past 7 years, since 2016. Therefore, if Tim Cook had any competence, he should've included Thunderbolt 3 with USB-C on the 2016 iPhone 7.
If a data transfer operation between an iPhone and a Mac would take only 1 minute to complete with Thunderbolt 3, it will instead take 1 hour and 20 minutes with USB 2.0.
Let me repeat that: 1 minute versus 1 hour and 20 minutes. How on earth is that not a big deal?
It's unbelievable that so many people on a forum like this are defending Tim Cook's blatant corporate greed.
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Can't people we got people defending those stingy décisions
It's been that way for many many years, and will never change. Many people are too ingrained in using Apple products, and cannot comprehend alternatives in the market which may offer a superior service/user experience.
Apple is first and foremost a business, and will act to protect its interests (ie shareholders).
Much cheaper to spend a few million on market research and identify what the majority of users do on their phones, than to spend 10's or 100's of millions on technology which whilst being beneficial (who doesn't want faster data transfer speeds, or a universal port that is compatible with multiple other device) is only taken advantage of by a small portion of their current user base.
I doubt USB-C would have been implemented on the iPhone without direct EU intervention...
It's all about money. Always has been, always will be...
Apple likes to boast about how iPhones have "ProRes" video. According to Apple, a one-minute 10-bit ProRes video is approximately 1.7GB in 1080p and 6GB in 4K.
With file sizes like those, what the hell is the point of using USB 2.0?
Tim Cook is either grossly incompetent, or he is aware of how awful it is but does it anyway to cut costs so him and his shareholders can pocket the resulting increased profits.
With file sizes like those, what the hell is the point of using USB 2.0?
Tim Cook is either grossly incompetent, or he is aware of how awful it is but does it anyway to cut costs so him and his shareholders can pocket the resulting increased profits.
Exactly—"stingy" is the perfect word. The iPhone 15 Pro has USB 3.0, which is stingy enough in that it is too little too late. But what makes it even more stingy is that the USB-C cable that comes in the iPhone 15 Pro box is USB 2.0. That is how unbelievably stingy Tim Cook is.
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The MacRumors forum poster, @sideshowuniqueuser , made an excellent post on another thread predicting Tim Cook's roadmap for wired data transfer speeds on future iPhones:
I would be totally unsurprised if that happened. Cook does not want to give users the latest technologies when they are available, even though Apple would still make massive profits by doing so. Cook wants to maximize profits as much as possible by using cheaper parts, and on top of that, cunningly provide incentive for customers to buy new iPhones every year.
I would be totally unsurprised if that happened. Cook does not want to give users the latest technologies when they are available, even though Apple would still make massive profits by doing so. Cook wants to maximize profits as much as possible by using cheaper parts, and on top of that, cunningly provide incentive for customers to buy new iPhones every year.
Although Tim Cook included USB 2.0 to increase profits by saving money on parts and manufacturing, and also to increase profits by collecting money from third-party companies who make Lightning cables under the MFi Program, those two greedy reasons weren't enough for him. He has a third greedy reason to include USB 2.0 on new iPhones: it causes many people to pay money to Apple every month for iCloud storage in order to backup their iPhones.
Cook's corporate greed is immense. He knows that less people would pay for iCloud storage if iPhones had Thunderbolt 3 or Thunderbolt 4 (which are far faster than wireless backups to iCloud), so he intentionally doesn't include it on iPhones.
Cook's corporate greed is immense. He knows that less people would pay for iCloud storage if iPhones had Thunderbolt 3 or Thunderbolt 4 (which are far faster than wireless backups to iCloud), so he intentionally doesn't include it on iPhones.
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Passive-aggressive? The most expensive iPhone 15 Pro Max costs $1599, yet Tim Cook expects us to be happy with very old USB 3 speeds? Macs have had USB 3 since mid-2012. That's 11 years ago. Cook expects us to get excited over 11 year old technology and pay up to $1599 for it.What kind of passive-aggressive self talk is this thread?
The iPhone 15 Pro line's USB 3 has speeds of 10Gb/s, which is the same speed as Thunderbolt 1. The first Mac with Thunderbolt 1 was released in 2011. That's 12 years ago. Cook expects us to get excited over 12 year old speeds and pay up to $1599 for it.
Thunderbolt 5 (which is 80Gb/s) was recently announced. Yet here we are being offered speeds equivalent to Thunderbolt 1. How is it "passive-aggressive" to voice disapproval of that?
From rereading this thread, I get the impression that many people who defend Tim Cook's stingy/greedy/incompetent hardware decisions are people who care more about Apple products being seen as fashion accessories and status symbols instead of being the most user-friendly computing tools on the market (like they were before Cook was CEO).
Then why iPhone 15 Pro gets higher transfer speed? It all about $$$$ to Apple than actual user experience. Just like how they charge ridiculous amount of money for higher storage tire.
Because the iPhone 15 Pro's A17 Pro SoC has the built-in hardware to support USB 3.2 Gen 2 speeds, earlier A-series chips like the iPhone 15's A16 Bionic do not.
But with the rumour that all iPhone 16 models will come with A18 SoCs, it's likely that all iPhone 16 models (Pro and non-Pro) will support USB 3.2 Gen 2.
I care and lots of professional care.
Even midrange Android smartphone has at least USB 3.0 transfer speed, let alone USB 3.0 is in every single computers now days.
And Apple never bothered to integrate USB into their A series processor?
Apple is dragging on their feet as long as possible to force user pay for higher storage tier and higher cloud storage. It is always about profit than user experience.
Until last year, all iPhones had Lightning ports, and Lightning cables only support USB 2 speeds anyway. Possibly they could have made special Lightning cables or adapters in order to enable USB 3 over Lightning, but I guess even Apple could see that would have been a bit ridiculous.
Pretty much all other Apple devices (eg: iPads) that actually have USB-C ports do support USB 3 speeds. The non-Pro iPhone 15 is an anomaly here.