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Or perhaps a discount for switchers only...;) :D

Oh, hell no. No way some of us loyal buyers have to pay full price (after years of buying OSes) only to see some switcher get a discount.

Cell phone companies do stuff like that and I absolutely hate it. Why not reward the people who spend the most?
 
Or perhaps a discount for switchers only...;) :D

Oh, hell no. No way some of us loyal buyers have to pay full price (after years of buying OSes) only to see some switcher get a discount.

Cell phone companies do stuff like that and I absolutely hate it. Why not reward the people who spend the most?

How are they going to know who is a switcher and who isn't? Anybody could just say there a switcher.
Err...it was a joke guys :eek:
 
the reason for the X

I don't have documentation for the X but I read somewhere that the X is kept because underneath the pretty interface is UNIX. Many things that contain UNIX have X in it. So, the X is a subtle way for people to know that the mac OS is just another form of UNIX.
 
It really sucks to have to pay for these minor upgrades. Still looks like the same OS to me. And I thought one of the marketing points of Apple is that all the major "apps" come free.

well, the thing is, it's not minor

and no where did marketing say any of the apple major "apps" come free.
what major "apps" were you thinking?
 
well, the thing is, it's not minor

and no where did marketing say any of the apple major "apps" come free.
what major "apps" were you thinking?

He was thinking (probably) iLife, a great suite, but by no means 'major'. Final Cut is major and expensive. Anyway, its a bargain compared to vista upgrade prices, and you probably get 2-3 OS changes per mac. Claim you're a student!
 
It really sucks to have to pay for these minor upgrades.
Each point revision (10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5) introduces major functionality. It's hardly fair to call it a "minor upgrade."

10.3 introduced Expose and Font Book, among other things. 10.4 introduced Spotlight and Automator. 10.5 will introduce Spaces and Time Machine. Those are just the highlights on a list of 100+ updates/features.

If you're a student, the edu upgrade will be around $69. If you're not, it'll be around $129 ... assuming Apple keeps with their historically traditional release pricing.

That said, no one is forcing you to upgrade. :)

You can expect new versions of iLife and iWork, too, and those will cost you a few bucks.
 
Yes. Something less than $150 (I hope).
SP2 was a minor revision of the existing OS like going from 10.4.n to 10.4.n+1. Leopard is a new operating, like Vista.

uhhh, wrong

SP2 was at least as major an upgrade to XP as Leopard will be to Tiger

Allchin, the man behind the OS, has admitted that SP2 should have been released as XP Second Edition (similar to a Mac OS point release) and cost money, but for various reasons he was opposed to that. SP2 introduced a lot of under-the-hood changes to the OS and was anything but a minor revision
 
SP2 was at least as major an upgrade to XP as Leopard will be to Tiger

SP2 introduced a lot of under-the-hood changes to the OS and was anything but a minor revision

This has been discussed before and I agree that SP2 made lots of underlying changes - as did Tiger in terms of the APIs that developers use.

But I'd suggest that where an Apple OS release introduces features that people want to use (and therefore upgrade for), SP2 didn't. The only 'feature' was to make it more secure which you could argue almost had to be a free upgrade since it should have been secure in the first place.

Anyhow, if people want OS X to stay ahead of the game, it takes R&D and that takes money so you have to pay for it. There are people who just buy a new Mac every other OS so never actually pay for an upgrade.
 
This has been discussed before and I agree that SP2 made lots of underlying changes - as did Tiger in terms of the APIs that developers use.

But I'd suggest that where an Apple OS release introduces features that people want to use (and therefore upgrade for), SP2 didn't. The only 'feature' was to make it more secure which you could argue almost had to be a free upgrade since it should have been secure in the first place.

Anyhow, if people want OS X to stay ahead of the game, it takes R&D and that takes money so you have to pay for it. There are people who just buy a new Mac every other OS so never actually pay for an upgrade.

rich ppl are everywhere!
anyway, OSX's every 0.1 increment should charge less than $60, like I said before. In my opinion, it just worth that much. M$ release one update (Vista) in 5 years, and charge $200, Apple release a 0.1 every 1~2 years, and charge $130, its like in 5 years, Apple's OSX charges user $400, altho I like OSX, its just too expensive. I probably stick with Tiger, maybe waiting for next 10.6, pony?
 
We do every other version. We started with 10.3 Panther, skipped 10.4, and we're planning to upgrade to 10.5 Leopard.
 
As a user of both Windows and OS X, I disagree.

XP SP2 is what XP (pre-SP1) should've been.

the logic is flawed, system restore shouldn't be in OS X 10.1? SP2 is major than SP1, but I agree it does not introduce new functionalities.
But com'on, expose? How many people use it ? automator? how many people use it? font book? how many people use it? space? isnt that close to virtual desktop? which was there for years. time machine? this kind of function is apple should put in in 10.1, not in 10.5
 
rich ppl are everywhere!

Hardly. We're on an 18 month or so cycle of OS's at the moment. So upgrading a computer every 3 years isn't entirely extravagant - particularly if you've bought the low-end Mac each time. You'd still be on a less than 1Ghz G4 iBook if you'd bought something when Panther first came out.

But com'on, expose? How many people use it ? automator? how many people use it? font book? how many people use it? space? isnt that close to virtual desktop? which was there for years. time machine? this kind of function is apple should put in in 10.1, not in 10.5

I suspect lots of people use Exposé at least occasionally. I use Automator and I use Front Book occasionally. I can't see me using Spaces much at the moment but then I couldn't see myself using Dashboard much and I look at it at least daily and find some of the widgets massively useful.

There's a reason Apple didn't put this all in OX 10.0 or 10.1. It wasn't ready to go yet and they'd have ended up with a Vista-esque 5 year development. ;) That's quite aside from the fact that ideas develop over time and as processors/graphics chips get more powerful, the quartz extreme layer gets more efficient some of these things come to fruition that will work on all Macs in Apple's current lineup rather than building things into an OS that won't work on all the Macs.
 
I use expose a ton. That's the one where you can see all windows right now?

I'll use spaces too, but I'll probably wait until 10.6...
 
rich ppl are everywhere!
anyway, OSX's every 0.1 increment should charge less than $60, like I said before. In my opinion, it just worth that much. M$ release one update (Vista) in 5 years, and charge $200, Apple release a 0.1 every 1~2 years, and charge $130, its like in 5 years, Apple's OSX charges user $400, altho I like OSX, its just too expensive. I probably stick with Tiger, maybe waiting for next 10.6, pony?

What logic are you using?

What's the time span between Win 95, win98, win me and win xp. How much did you pay for each upgrade of these?

Don't be fooled by the numbers; Mac OS X 10.1, 10.2 ... etc. They are completely different operating systems. The numbers are there to keep the X, I guess. VISTA came 5 years after XP because they were 3 years late in development not because they were planning on 5 years difference.
 
How are they going to know who is a switcher and who isn't? Anybody could just say there a switcher.

Presently whoever buys a boxed version of OS X, needs to already own a Mac already to run it. So by definition these people can't be switchers. Therefore a rebate on the boxed OS X does not make any sense.
 
What logic are you using?

What's the time span between Win 95, win98, win me and win xp. How much did you pay for each upgrade of these?

Don't be fooled by the numbers; Mac OS X 10.1, 10.2 ... etc. They are completely different operating systems. The numbers are there to keep the X, I guess. VISTA came 5 years after XP because they were 3 years late in development not because they were planning on 5 years difference.

well, i always consider "adding small programs that benefit a fraction of users" is never major. While structural re-construction deserve more money. As far as I can see, 0.1 increments were all adding small pieces into system, while I still wait for people to tell me 10.2,.2,.3,.4,.5 have "major structural change".

lets face it, "how many codes the developer need to write" is the only standard for price. and I don't see apple developer doing as much as code in developing 0.1 increments than M$'s vista projects.

Anyway, I would like to hear why you think each 10.x is so different? more small programs? or structural change? if M$ sold their system like these 10.x increments price, at these 10.x's releasing pace, trust me, PC user will sue M$ to supreme court, LOL
 
And how'd you do that may I ask:D

i didn't do anything.

i was a college student in Boston, they offered free OS upgrades.

prob having a Laptop Purchase Program has something to do with it. it's actually a real good deal cuz: we get 4 yrs of Apple Care (as opposed to 3), a local Apple-authorized repair shop that will fix anything using this Apple Care (fixed minor cosmetic scratches to screen anomalies to new optical drive to new hinge to even simple mouse wear on my TiBook for free), and yes the free OS's.

i'm waiting to see if i'm still eligible for Leopard or not, despite me graduated already but still under the "plan" per se.
 
If you're doing any sort of development, hobbyist or otherwise, the OSX upgrades seem like peanuts for what you get.

That being said, I'm going to go from 10.3 to 10.5 when it comes out. A 2-point upgrade at Edu pricing is a pretty sweet deal costwise, and the OSX updates add enough (And a lot that you don't see - Newer OSX has noticably faster OpenGl, they'll probably improve load times, probably run faster on the same hardware than previous versions and the like, as they always do).

Not to mention that the new features apple add are usually genuinely useful if you try them. Then again, at the end of the day, if you're running Tiger, there's no need for you to really immediately upgrade. Once Leopard apps become standard (You'll see when that happens; suddenly random internet utilities can't be found for your OS), is when the Upgrade is nice. If your OS works and you're perfectly happy though, then don't bother with the upgrade. Apple supports it's OSes for a while at least (I'm downloading a 10.3 Security update as I type this).

I guess if all you use your mac for is browsing Macrumors, then there's about zero point to buying an OS update until a few versions after. But I think that the more 'thoroughly' you use your mac, the more valuable the OS updates are. And to be fair, Apple's prices are quite modest (Especially for something like a Family pack, another $100 AUD gets you 4 more licences.), and if you don't upgrade you're not kicked out of the internet or whatever.

So basically. Buy the update if you need/want it. If you can't justify the update, then don't get it. You won't really get hurt either way.
 
uhhh, wrong

SP2 was at least as major an upgrade to XP as Leopard will be to Tiger

Allchin, the man behind the OS, has admitted that SP2 should have been released as XP Second Edition (similar to a Mac OS point release) and cost money, but for various reasons he was opposed to that. SP2 introduced a lot of under-the-hood changes to the OS and was anything but a minor revision
SP2 was not an upgrade at all.. what are you thinking! SP2 is at most a patch, a security update.. as upgrade suppose to supply new functionality, and SP2 had none of that. as said already, SP2 should've been part of XP... but since nothing is perfect, they can fix the problem they oversaw in then beginning, they release secure updates. for free. just like the secure updates for OS X are free.

rich ppl are everywhere!
anyway, OSX's every 0.1 increment should charge less than $60, like I said before. In my opinion, it just worth that much. M$ release one update (Vista) in 5 years, and charge $200, Apple release a 0.1 every 1~2 years, and charge $130, its like in 5 years, Apple's OSX charges user $400, altho I like OSX, its just too expensive. I probably stick with Tiger, maybe waiting for next 10.6, pony?
you can't directly compare the 0.1 increment in OS X to the imaginery 0.1 increment in Windows, it doesn't make sense.

every 0.1 increment offers a number of new feature, functionality than it's previous version, just like every major release of windows. every 0.1 increment in OS X is a major release.

a full version of any version of windows at release cost, say, $400 (an average between the pro version and home version when there are more than one)... so from 95 to 98 to 2000 to XP to vista, that's like 12 years, for 5 versions... if you get all of them, that's $2000... given OS X release every 18 months, which means there are 8 releases, each cost 100 ((70+130)/2), that's 800... go figure.

even at your 5 yr for $400, 12 yr is maybe 1000.. still half of 2000

But com'on, expose? How many people use it ? automator? how many people use it? font book? how many people use it? space? isnt that close to virtual desktop? which was there for years. time machine? this kind of function is apple should put in in 10.1, not in 10.5
i use expose, automator daily, and i see myself using time machine when it comes out... my mom, who is not your typical geeks, uses expose and automator daily (heck, i use expose at least once every 5~10 minutes)
you made it sounds like those are pointless little features, does Windows offer something equivalent? no.

well, i always consider "adding small programs that benefit a fraction of users" is never major. While structural re-construction deserve more money. As far as I can see, 0.1 increments were all adding small pieces into system, while I still wait for people to tell me 10.2,.2,.3,.4,.5 have "major structural change".
what structural re-construction did vista have over XP that's so significant?
vista has a very nice GUI, that's about it (not to mention OS X has similar GUI features way before vista).. what else does it have that benefit majority of users? my company still uses Windows 2000, that says how little benefit there is with each "major" release of Windows.
lets face it, "how many codes the developer need to write" is the only standard for price. and I don't see apple developer doing as much as code in developing 0.1 increments than M$'s vista projects.
false.
how many codes? there are good codes, and there are bad codes... a line of good codes are short and efficient, and it does the samething 10 lines of the bad codes do... altho it probably takes the CPU the same time to process a line of code each time the code is run.

i dont professionally write software, but what i do does require a moderate level of computer programming... so don't judge me on my exaggeration, but on my logic.
 
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