Will it cost anything for Tiger users to upgrade to Leopard?

[clevin]

Off Topic.. i did not talk about your intelligent, i was talking about your intellect, and since you can't differentiate between the two, apparently you had none of the latter.

copy and paste wiki is not respectful here. try summarize.

I expect these posts to be deleted soon, so I will just stop here, the info is there, you read it or not. I said what I should, and I made my points. Im sorry you have a bad mouth, and really, its been difficult to know what you want, info is there, read it or not, its your freedom.

 

[dpaanlka]

I expect these posts to be deleted soon, so I will just stop here, the info is there, you read it or not. I said what I should, and I made my points. Im sorry you have a bad mouth, and really, its been difficult to know what you want, info is there, read it or not, its your freedom.

Yes, you and your marvelous info. This is like deja-vu from that iTunes thread...

 

[clevin]

Yes for them it will be... they wont have to look at that Microsoft Cartoon™ interface anymore. Or maybe they're just so used to never getting major new features, that this will "appear" to be a big upgrade. Of course, those of use who are used to major new features every 18 months or so, rightfully are dismissive of Windows Vista.

I think I can safely call it "personal preference", there is nothing wrong with that, Im just suggesting thinking in pc user's position. and they are more demanding than mac users, in im opinion.

 

[bearbo]

I expect these posts to be deleted soon, so I will just stop here, the info is there, you read it or not. I said what I should, and I made my points. Im sorry you have a bad mouth, and really, its been difficult to know what you want, info is there, read it or not, its your freedom.

oh i suppose it's my turn to apologize to make this nice...

i'm sorry for your lack of intellect.

i suppose you didn't see my previous post.. what kind of scientist are you?

 

[clevin]

Yes, you and your marvelous info. This is like deja-vu from that iTunes thread...

thats what i was saying about being delete soon.
seriously, Im just think from a pc users position, that should be praised here, Im minority here. after all, respecting your opponent is the real base for success.

 

[bearbo]

I think I can safely call it "personal preference", there is nothing wrong with that, Im just suggesting thinking in pc user's position. and they are more demanding than mac users, in im opinion.

you have to admit many new functions featured in vista has been implemented in OS X already... such as Gadget (Widget), and transparent inactive windows (in 10.2)...

if PC users are more demanding, why did OS X get those features first?

 

[bearbo]

thats what i was saying about being delete soon.
seriously, Im just think from a pc users position, that should be praised here, Im minority here. after all, respecting your opponent is the real base for success.

there we go, pulling out affirmative action.

there are plenty PC users.. i use OS X, XP, Vista, 2000 everyday almost equally... PC users are sure not minority.

 

[dpaanlka]

Im just suggesting thinking in pc user's position. and they are more demanding than mac users, in im opinion.

Yeah... no new features in 5 years, then a few "gadgets" and WHOA! Vista is the bestest!!!!!

That's real demanding right there. No wonder Microsoft has such a huge market share, they hardly have to do anything to maintain it.

 

[clevin]

you have to admit many new functions featured in vista has been implemented in OS X already... such as Gadget (Widget), and transparent inactive windows (in 10.2)...

if PC users are more demanding, why did OS X get those features first?

its really attempting to post back, LOL
ok, Ive been using windows for 7 years, and linux for half a year, mac for 5 months so far. let me answer your question in a pc user's mind.
1. Steve Jobs called M$ copy machine, thats fine, I admit at the beginning of windows system, M$ did so, but now, its totally untrue, and people have old memory should face the reality today. sure, there is new featured in vista was in OSX for a long time, but on the other hand, a decent system restoration was in windows for 5 years, and apple now doing time machine stuff, even if i can't call apple copy, at least i can say, they are learning something from windows, can I?
2. PC user is more demanding, like I said before, because their requirements and complaints are more about the OS in a deep, system structure level, not about how many new functions their OS will have, why? coz windows platform has plenty of 3rd party developers who can make small programs. they don;t need M$ to do it, in fact, if M$ did it, they sue M$, such as integrated IE/WMP/Anti-Virus softwares. PC users complaint about system's security (which I agree OSX is doing good enough already), not lack of a software that can do a "desktop search" or "dashboard" or whatever.

 

[dpaanlka]

sure, there is new featured in vista was in OSX for a long time, but on the other hand, a decent system restoration was in windows for 5 years, and apple now doing time machine stuff, even if i can't call apple copy, at least i can say, they are learning something from windows, can I?

The windows restoration features are to restore windows in the chance that you mess up your system or get some kind of big virus attack (which is a very good chance).

Mac OS never had this because it wasn't deemed necessary. System restoration is not what Time Machine is for... Time Machine is just to get files back that you've deleted, or older versions of files.

I find it very difficult to understand what you're saying for the rest of your post. Far too many punctuation marks and character symbols. Are you saying that Windows users don't care about features? I guess I don't disagree with you about that one...

 

[clevin]

The windows restoration features are to restore windows in the chance that you mess up your system or get some kind of big virus attack (which is a very good chance).

Mac OS never had this because it wasn't deemed necessary. System restoration is not what Time Machine is for... Time Machine is just to get files back that you've deleted, or older versions of files.

well, dear, im sure apple would do something better than M$ if they want to, but basic idea of backup and restoration is there, and remind you, there are many 3-rd party backup-restoration softwares on windows

 

[clevin]

I find it very difficult to understand what you're saying for the rest of your post. Far too many punctuation marks and character symbols. Are you saying that Windows users don't care about features? I guess I don't disagree with you about that one...

yeah, u about get it right, yes, as far as i can see, they don't, because there are plenty of 3rd party softwares can do whatever they want. windows for them is more like a platform, rather than a exclusive environment.

 

[dpaanlka]

yeah, u about get it right, yes, as far as i can see, they don't, because there are plenty of 3rd party softwares can do whatever they want. windows for them is more like a platform, rather than a exclusive environment.

So.... what exactly are you trying to say? Microsoft doesn't have to make an effort to produce a unified Windows experience full of nice features because various third party developers make the stuff instead (to varying degrees of integration)?

 

[clevin]

So.... what exactly are you trying to say? Microsoft doesn't have to make an effort to produce a unified Windows experience full of nice features because various third party developers make the stuff instead (to varying degrees of integration)?

yes, indeed

 

[dpaanlka]

yes, indeed

Well... that certainly sucks then. Poor Windows users, I pity them.

 

[bearbo]

its really attempting to post back, LOL
ok, Ive been using windows for 7 years, and linux for half a year, mac for 5 months so far. let me answer your question in a pc user's mind.
1. Steve Jobs called M$ copy machine, thats fine, I admit at the beginning of windows system, M$ did so, but now, its totally untrue, and people have old memory should face the reality today. sure, there is new featured in vista was in OSX for a long time, but on the other hand, a decent system restoration was in windows for 5 years, and apple now doing time machine stuff, even if i can't call apple copy, at least i can say, they are learning something from windows, can I?
2. PC user more demanding, like I said before, in their requirement and complaint about the OS in a deep, system structure level, not about how many new functions their OS will have, why? coz windows platform has plenty of 3rd party developers who can make small programs. they don;t need M$ to do it, in fact, if M$ did it, they sue M$, such as integrated IE/WMP/Anti-Virus softwares. PC users complaint about system's security (which I agree OSX is doing good enough already), not lack of a software that can do a "desktop search" or "dashboard" or whatever.

you used windows for 7 years and you think that's long.

i've been using windows since 1993, and i'm still using windows. windows users aren't more demanding, it's just microsoft aren't providing much of the necessity (security, stability)

to counter your point,
1) system restore has not worked well for me anytime i tried it... i perhaps tried it total of 10 times, give or take a couple, it might have worked once or twice, the other times it just tells me it failed. even the times it worked, it did not achieve my purpose of having the system restored to its previous stage. aka in an event of malware spreading, system restore was not able to get ride of those problem... i'm not sure what do i need to do to make system restore work.
and on top of that, as said, time machine and system restore are completely two different application, for reason aforementioned.
2)HAHAHAHAHA
the reason apple develop a lot of its own "small apps" is so the everything is more integrated, there are not glitch... not because no one wants to develop for apple, or the users aren't as demanding.

complaint about the OS in a deep, system structure level... PC users complaint about system's security

what deep system structure level do PC users demand? aside from system security, which is necessity (which i admit isn't exactly microsoft's fault, when your product gets too popular, hackers take advantage of that... but still.)


you still haven't told me what scientific field are you in.

 

[clevin]

Well... that certainly sucks then. Poor Windows users, I pity them.

again, personal preference, i guess many of them (not all of them) will say the same thing to mac users. "oh, poor OSX users, far few games, can't do this, can't do that......" LOL

 

[bearbo]

yeah, u about get it right, yes, as far as i can see, they don't, because there are plenty of 3rd party softwares can do whatever they want. windows for them is more like a platform, rather than a exclusive environment.

so would you say is it good to have the platform AND nice integration? or just platform?

OS X is not an exclusive environment... it's way more open-sourced than windows.

 

[bearbo]

again, personal preference, i guess many of them (not all of them) will say the same thing to mac users. "oh, poor OSX users, far few games, can't do this, can't do that......" LOL

so it's game vs. every other features.

 

[dpaanlka]

again, personal preference, i guess many of them (not all of them) will say the same thing to mac users. "oh, poor OSX users, far few games, can't do this, can't do that......" LOL

Yeah, or "poor Mac users, it works so well, and is totally integrated, and they all come with so much to do out of the box."

Seriously though... what does games have to do with third party mods to an OS that is so heavily lacking in features?

I guess if it's your "personal preference" to have a very weak base onto which third party developers can haphazardly staple mods and additions to do the simple things an other OS is already doing, then I guess you have no shortage of pleasure when using Windows.

 

[clevin]

2)HAHAHAHAHA
the reason apple develop a lot of its own "small apps" is so the everything is more integrated, there are not glitch... not because no one wants to develop for apple, or the users aren't as demanding.
what deep system structure level do PC users demand? aside from system security, which is necessity (which i admit isn't exactly microsoft's fault, when your product gets too popular, hackers take advantage of that... but still.)
you still haven't told me what scientific field are you in.

1. thats about "open" or "exclusive", at this point, I think the more opening the platform for 3rd party developers, the better, thats why I use firefox.
2. security is the most important thing in windows that need M$ to address, and yeah, i think thats a big enough task for them, windows is, like you said, popular.

 

[dpaanlka]

1. thats about "open" or "exclusive", at this point, I think the more opening the platform for 3rd party developers, the better, thats why I use firefox.
2. security is the most important thing in windows that need M$ to address, and yeah, i think thats a big enough task for them, windows is, like you said, popular.

I'm not even sure how to respond to these two, very well numbered "points." I think I'm just going to stop now. Clearly this person is trying to reveal how great Windows is to Mac users, which is never going to happen.

EDIT: 1. Are you saying your using Firefox solely for the sake of it being a third party app, rather than for any actual reason?
2. Windows is dominant... I wouldn't call it "popular."

 

[clevin]

Yeah, or "poor Mac users, it works so well, and is totally integrated, and they all come with so much to do out of the box."

Seriously though... what does games have to do with third party mods to an OS that is so heavily lacking in features?

I guess if it's your "personal preference" to have a very weak base onto which third party developers can haphazardly staple mods and additions to do the simple things an other OS is already doing, then I guess you have no shortage of pleasure when using Windows.

lol, u pity pc user for some reason, so i was just telling your there are more reasons for pc user to feel pity for OSX users.
Games are developed by 3rd party, and to fulfill a windows user's pleasure, is that not a good reason?

about what I like or dislike when using windows or my personal feeling, I don't feel I should discuss with you. sorry.

 

[dpaanlka]

Games are developed by 3rd party, and to fulfill a windows user's pleasure, is that not a good reason?

That has nothing to do with Windows itself. We're talking about the OS right now, not what games you play.

about what I like or dislike when using windows or my personal feeling, I don't feel I should discuss with you. sorry.

Then why are you posting about it endlessly...

 

[bearbo]

1. thats about "open" or "exclusive", at this point, I think the more opening the platform for 3rd party developers, the better, thats why I use firefox.

hmm... that somehow address the diff between OS X and Windows?

2. security is the most important thing in windows that need M$ to address, and yeah, i think thats a big enough task for them, windows is, like you said, popular.

right, more popular, more people use, that's a fact, i'm not gonna argue with you... but you should also know, general public is always ignorant... which means popular things aren't always the best

i bet there are more ford driver in the US than, say, ferrari