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I feel the same way about "my computer making decisions for me" —I abhor predictive text, auto-correct, form auto-filling, and the like. However, I don't think that Lion goes too far in this direction. The automatic spelling correction can be turned off. As for saving, this article pretty well sums up my thoughts on the matter.

For perspective—I'm sure there were computer users who thought the advent of the GUI was "insulting." And the automatic gear shift, for that matter...

I have no complaints about the automatic transmission. I learned to drive on an automatic. however my current car and the one before it are manual and i prefer it. The auto save and auto text correct work well on the ipad and iphone because of its design model and its harder to make corrections especially with the small on screen keyboard. on my iphone i appreciate this and it makes my life easier. now yes you can turn of the auto text replace but it also turns off the auto spell check with the red underline.

but we are getting way off topic of this thread

Apple please fix expose and kill mission control. and yes i have sent feedback
 
If there are any developers reading this,

I'm actually willing to PAY MONEY for some software that ungroups application windows when mission control is activated and brings back NORMAL SAVE AS functions.

Make it a preference pane or something, doesnt matter, just give us that option and I'll gladly pay for it.

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How does pulling the background back make things more cluttered? Does your screen shrink?

The wallpaper shrinks and adds a grey border. This isn't needed. Especially for anyone who doesnt ever use spaces. A lot of people don't.


Is the condescending attitude exclusive to macrumors or does it exist in most apple users?

Why don't I just go back to using a dos box computer with a command line prompt in blue/white display using the arrows keys for navigation.

The whole point of a GUI was to make things easier to... you know..... READ.
 
The wallpaper shrinks and adds a grey border. This isn't needed. Especially for anyone who doesnt ever use spaces. A lot of people don't.
Again it seems a bit odd to have such a problem with a purely graphical element to mission control. The wallpaper shrinks, not the screen.
Is the condescending attitude exclusive to macrumors or does it exist in most apple users?

Why don't I just go back to using a dos box computer with a command line prompt in blue/white display using the arrows keys for navigation.

The whole point of a GUI was to make things easier to... you know..... READ.
You can call me condescending, but I have a hard time believing that most users recognize icons by their colors. While the colors are monotone, the text is large and easily read. Comparing it to command line is nothing short of ridiculous.
 
Basically what we need here is one more hotkey to simply do old expose. When I have 8 finder windows open for instance, it MC shows them like a deck of cards. If I scroll the wheel over that, it ones slightly, but this is not as straightforward as the old expose was. I actually do like MC, but would also like Expose function as well. A 3rd party app would be fine with me.
 
Again it seems a bit odd to have such a problem with a purely graphical element to mission control. The wallpaper shrinks, not the screen.You can call me condescending, but I have a hard time believing that most users recognize icons by their colors. While the colors are monotone, the text is large and easily read. Comparing it to command line is nothing short of ridiculous.

I could easily remember that the iTunes store is green, Music is blue, the Home folder is white and the Downloads folder is green. Please tell me that you read texts faster than discerning pictures with their colors.
 
Ive been trying to find an easy way to do this and to no avail. I figure the easiest way would be to replace the "app specific" expose (which can be activated by 3-finger swipe down via SystemPrefs) with the real expose from SL and Im looking around the dock.app of each version. This would at least let me not go insane when trying to manage windows in lion.

I love how there are at least 4 ways to bring up an app expose (click/hold icons, clicking icons in launchpad, swipe gesture, F10) and absolutely no way to launch a classic expose view. We also have at least 5 ways to launch/view applications (launchpad, stacks, folder, finder window, finder search, and dock). What are they thinking? If they are going to add features willy nilly at least leave the option for us to use the good ones.
 
Sure they may fix some bugs down the road but I thunk expose is dead. Mission control and launchpad are hear to stay and I think il get the hell out of dodge before they burn themselves to the ground

I love how people think that the company is going down because they didn't get what they wanted. :rolleyes:
 
Snow Leopard Expose is better than the entirety of Lion's new features.

Truth, and that's why I love downgrading back.
 
To all the haters of Lion: Suck it up. Do any of you realize how hard it is to design an OS that everyone likes? It seems that there are only a few features (and the lack of) that haters seem to hate, so Lion itself is NOT A DOWNGRADE. It's not revolutionary but it fixes many minor issues and adds a lot of useful features to the mix. Personally I rarely use Mission Control's new Exposé and would LOVE the old one back, but in the meantime, I say we all just sit down and use the wonderful OS that Apple has gave us. Also to the guy who's doing a petition, what are the odds that the world's most valuable company would look at a petition with a mere 50,000 signatures on a website loaded with useless petitions?

Funny how you say that for OS X Lion but you'd likely take every opportunity to trounce on a Windows product.

What is your vision of what a downgrade is? Do you merely look at the product versions and assume the one with the higher number is automatically the upgrade?

Whether an OS is an upgrade or downgrade is primarily measured in the level of productivity by using them. If your workers produce less work using Lion than SL, then Lion hurt productivity which constitutes a downgrade in performance. An OS is a tool, a medium in which a user and a computer can interact with each other. If it allows you to do more work in less time, that's a clear upgrade.

Think about the person who invented the washing machine and presented it to someone who washes clothes by hand. For the machine to be worthwhile, it would have to be easier to use, do more work in less time and/or allow the user to do something else (multitask) while the machine did its work.

- Does Lion provide any advantage over SL for multitasking? No.

- Is Lion faster than SL? No.

- Does Lion use less resources than SL? No.

- Is Lion "smarter" making certain (common) tasks easier than SL? No.

So let's look at other issues.

- Does Lion crash (kernelpanic) more than SL? Yes. Most users of SL have never seen a KP until they moved to Lion, even on clean installs.

- Does Lion slow your work down by using it? Yes. Most users almost immediately have to change a lot of settings starting with the inverted scrolling just to get up and running.

- Does Lion introduce problems, during a clean install, where basic features like video, sound, networking or otherwise won't work whereas moving back to SL instantly resolves all their issues? Yes. The fact that things work in SL and not on Lion, during a clean install shows a clear and major problem with Lion.

Now tell me, is Lion really an upgrade over Snow Leopard? No.
 

How do you get this thing to activate using just the trackpad? There's also a caveat in using it… you often have to cycle through all the windows at least once before they register.

Now tell me, is Lion really an upgrade over Snow Leopard? No.

Even though I agree with most of your points it's all moot and quite pointless to piss and moan about it. You either learn to adapt to whatever Apple dictates or stay in the legacy bubble. This is nothing new.

Personally, if iCloud works with SL I might consider going back until 10.8. But I suspect the next iteration of OSX to be even more iOS specific than it is now.
 
I'm not pissing and moaning about Lion, I'm merely stating issues Apple seems to ignore. OS X Lion has been out since July, it's into October and no resolution or hint regarding any future updates to address serious problems.

Can you imagine if this was about Microsoft Windows instead of Apple's OS X? I'm not 100% clear about whether people who bought machines preinstalled with Lion from Apple are able to use SL or not, however my MBP shipped with 10.6.7 so I have that option to go back and update to 10.6.8.

iCloud was, to my understanding meant to be offered for SL users so that won't be an issue, SL isn't quite "legacy" yet as it continues to receive support from Apple.

Apple's biggest failure with Lion is not listening to their users, classic Apple mistake. They fell into the classic Microsoft mistake of "more gimmicks and features = benefits" none sense. Nobody to my knowledge really liked Mission Control in beta, Launchpad was also received with mostly bad comments. I honestly believe in the idea of "don't fix what's not broke", nobody had an issue with Spaces and Expose in fact it was one of the things everybody on SL really enjoyed. Why Apple felt there was a need to change it goes beyond me.

It would be like going to a steakhouse where the chef comes to your table and asks how much you're enjoying your food, you reply "I love it", then he swipes your plate away and swaps it with something less appetizing.
 
it's into October and no resolution or hint regarding any future updates to address serious problems.
No hints? What is 10.7.2? :)

Can you imagine if this was about Microsoft Windows instead of Apple's OS X?
Were this windows it would impact 9 out of 10 machine users. But as OSX users we're a tiny slice of the pie. Makes perfect sense to me. (I don't like it but it makes perfect fiscal sense).

iCloud was, to my understanding meant to be offered for SL users so that won't be an issue,
Let's hope. :)

Apple's biggest failure with Lion is not listening to their users,

where the chef comes to your table and asks how much you're enjoying your food

The problem with your thinking and analogy is you assume Apple actually seeks out user feedback. They don't. Not even from beta testers it seems.

Plus, you're treating OSX like it warrants some kind of grandiose attention when Apple's stock price over the years tells them to continue the way they have been. There's been no catalyst to change since the 90's.

Our best hope now is that Tim Cook gets really pissed off when his mac beach balls as he's reviewing his Annual Board Presentation. :D
 
It doesn't group windows by applications. It doesn't stack windows so you can pick the right window even faster.


thanks for the response, i can see the advantage it that, mission controll keeps things neat if your using 5 applications but if you only have 5 windows open all in safari, the old way would be better for picking the right safari window
 
I am new to Mac and Lion is my first experience.

However I am unsure what Expose did that is different then missions control?

With mission control you can view all applications and all screens at once. (Good feature)

if you press Ctrl-Down Arrow you can see all the windows that are open of a certain application cascaded on the screen.


What aspect does Expose do better then missions control and why?
 
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