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Will someone hack the old expose and bring it to Lion?
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unfortunately as of now it's still called downgrading to snow leopard. Now I did this back in November and will not upgrade back to Lion until some solution to this is come up (if ever).
I love how people think that the company is going down because they didn't get what they wanted.
Oh really? Have you looked at RIM lately?
This is the first time I've seen it on such a large scale though. By the time the 2nd update came out for previous versions of OS X, the criticism had gone. This appears not to be the case for Lion, and to be honest, I'm not at all surprised.
Has anyone managed to come up with a fix for this? I was trying to mess with the dock.app with lion and SL both installed and finally just wiped the lion partition and plan to stay on SL. Also, I was talking to a photographer I know that got a new mac. She was pi$$ed when she found out she can't get a mac without lion on it now.
People have modded expose to the previous version in the past so it doesn't seem like it would be impossible... It's just that alot of the code is compiled in, its going to take someone that knows alot more than me about it to fix it.
People have modded expose to the previous version in the past so it doesn't seem like it would be impossible... It's just that alot of the code is compiled in, its going to take someone that knows alot more than me about it to fix it.
Personally, I know it's the biggest...possibly only... real complaint I have with lion. The typing thing gets annoying when its wrong, namely because it would have been red and I would have seen it to fix it CORRECTLY .... but I now can more easily miss typos because Lion "fixed" them for me. Ah well.
Also, quicktime and preview get really annoying with the automatic re-opening of all your windows .. I keep forgetting to close everything... so finally I found a terminal command to disable it for those two apps only. On the right track.
But expose .... I've tried a handful of games to try to get it to work and like everyone else here, no can do. One of my good friends refuses to update to lion until expose comes to it; and he makes sense with the exception that I always felt Lion preformed quite a bit better with its ram handling on my old Macbook Pro, but at this point I'm really just hoping Apple sees the flaw and brings it back for 10.8. There's no good reason not to at least leave mission control with a no-grouping option as some have suggested. If you're working on a large graphic or web project, the number of files open at once per application makes mission control and the limited version of expose they now have near useless.
Also, quicktime and preview get really annoying with the automatic re-opening of all your windows .. I keep forgetting to close everything... so finally I found a terminal command to disable it for those two apps only. On the right track.
But expose .... I've tried a handful of games to try to get it to work and like everyone else here, no can do. One of my good friends refuses to update to lion until expose comes to it; and he makes sense with the exception that I always felt Lion preformed quite a bit better with its ram handling on my old Macbook Pro, but at this point I'm really just hoping Apple sees the flaw and brings it back for 10.8. There's no good reason not to at least leave mission control with a no-grouping option as some have suggested. If you're working on a large graphic or web project, the number of files open at once per application makes mission control and the limited version of expose they now have near useless
.I think one reason Old-Spaces doesn't work is because of Full Screen apps. Where would new full screens be placed in the grid? Would it create a new row, with 2+ blank "Spaces" under it? That said, Grid functionality would be great if they could make it work.
I would be perfectly happy with Mission Control if:
a) Spaces/Desktops wrapped in a circle, and...
b) Up-scroll over an App would actually spread your windows out... like enough to actually see what's on them... with the window-name underneath. (Integrate Mission Control with App Expose, basically.)
I would be perfectly happy with Mission Control if:
a) Spaces/Desktops wrapped in a circle, and...
b) Up-scroll over an App would actually spread your windows out... like enough to actually see what's on them... with the window-name underneath. (Integrate Mission Control with App Expose, basically.)
Fullscreen apps should just work like they did before. If I want two full screen apps running side by side on two monitors, I should be able to do it. Every other OS out there can do this, and has been able to for some time. Even Snow Leopard could do full screen apps. Apple did it themselves with iPhoto and probably other apps. This notion that a full screen app should create its own workspace that only allows you to use one monitor even if you have multple monitors is just a bad idea.
So why don't we have this by now? Apple's stubbornness that they know best, or they simply are that out of touch with customer feedback?
What a colossally ignorant post. Yeah people read the 10+ items (most of the times more) on the sidebar instead of going by visual cues, especially color coded ones.
I'm not stupid. I can remember the general location of my sidebar icons seeing as how they don't move, and can recognize the icon whether or not it is colored. By your logic, if they would have kept them colored, but changed the colors, you would have the same problem.
Why not just put the full screen apps on a line up top? They are already a small icon in a line up top in Mission Control. No need to make them part of a grid if you wanted to have a 10.6 style spaces.
Mission Control Sucks. You can't see what is going on for more than one Space at a time and even then the windows cover each other up.
Full screen apps should go with all the other non-full screen apps.
Seriously... what makes a full screen app so special that it needs to have its own dedicated real estate? (desktop). Even under SL when running full screen apps they somehow "magically" behave just like every other window with no problem.
But if full screen apps were still treated like separate desktops, but forced above the grid somehow, we wouldn't be able to arrange them as we wanted. Perhaps if a grid was created that didn't necessarily have to be "squared up" this could work. Where it doesn't square up, you can make one of the Desktops wider so that swiping will go there. Wait... that sounds kinda like Windows 8 Metro.
Yeah, just increasing the spread would solve that problem for me. I actually got frustrated with in Snow Leopard not sorting by App by default. There was cmd-1, cmd-2, etc... but never by default.
Which reminds me, make that an option for App Expose, so we don't have that stupid algorithm imposed on us all the time.
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@ the others: I like having full screen apps in separate desktops so I can swipe back and forth with ical. In fact, the my own usage of 2 main spaces (work/home) along with various full screen apps corresponding with those my 2 spaces, coupled with the lack of a loop when scrolling through desktops, is why I want a grip back to begin with.
It looks like the Respace app by Switchstep is coming along nicely. The developer is really responsive and it looks like he is looking to bring back 10.5 Expose/Spaces.
I would suggest participating in the forums and showing the developer that there is a good amount of interest in the application. I know that I'll be buying it when it comes out.
http://switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp
http://switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp/documentation
I would suggest participating in the forums and showing the developer that there is a good amount of interest in the application. I know that I'll be buying it when it comes out.
http://switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp
http://switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp/documentation
No cause I'd re-associate the cues with colour, you remember the general location of 10+ items and you don't need colour cues? If you remember them take the different monochrome icons away too, why not!
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Full screen apps should go with all the other non-full screen apps.
Seriously... what makes a full screen app so special that it needs to have its own dedicated real estate? (desktop). Even under SL when running full screen apps they somehow "magically" behave just like every other window with no problem.
Moronic design by federichi and co. that's what makes them "special".
It's not a downgrade per se if you get your productivity back up.
I did the same. Mission Control isn't the worst part, it's the terrible RAM management. SL on my 2009 machine is SO fast (with 4 GB RAM)...with Lion, it's like taking half the RAM out. I'm not kidding.
Snow Leopard forever (or until Apple sort their RAM management and their awkward, featuring-lacking Mission Control).
+1 to ReSpace app, its bringing us the type of functionality that users of Dexpot are used to.
if You havent seen, today ReSpaceApp v 0.9.6 updated with a spaces grid, that has minimized previews of the windows in each space. Its developing quickly & the developer is taking/applying suggestions often.
http://www.switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp
if You havent seen, today ReSpaceApp v 0.9.6 updated with a spaces grid, that has minimized previews of the windows in each space. Its developing quickly & the developer is taking/applying suggestions often.
http://www.switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp
For those looking for an Expose/Spaces clone in Lion/Mountain Lion, the new Beta of TotalSpaces implements All Windows Expose.
http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/changes
http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/
The implementation is still very early and has a few rough edges to polish out but it looks like the developer is making a lot of progress.
http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/changes
http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/
The implementation is still very early and has a few rough edges to polish out but it looks like the developer is making a lot of progress.