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Will the ios on tablets die?
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Seeing the "huge" commercial success of Microsoft's solution, I think our iPads are safe for a while
Yes but how long is a while in techworld?
Apart from the prices of those surface and the kinda "IBM" ish look ...the idea
Is pretty great.
Will apple IOS as it is now be enough for a 12" ipad? No doubt multitasking is needed fast (actual work ipad is hell right now... copy/paste hell.)
I have seen mockups of two window multitasking but is that enough?
I was very impressed with a 40$ android tablet doing a movie "allways on top" window mode while i was surfing...or even 4 mp4 movies playing at once.
Like with apples laptops will we then see an airpad and pro-pad. Then will the propad like macbook pro get so slim that there is actually no difference.
Pencil thin or not i would go for that propad on a 12" device.... More app icons on home screen and more room for ads on safari is not enough for me (maybe if price is the same as air 2 is now)
Multitasking is going to happen so should i prepare to be owner of fast obsolete 1gb devices?
The "will ios on tablets die" headline was maybe a bit overkill but on the 12" then and before its even out?
I like the apps on my phone but honestly on my ipad i do not use many apps (i could be the only one)...imagine if one could do actual work on an ipad..not only monitoring and consumption (and yes i know some people actually work on them ipadses)
Compared to the samsung lineup of devices the apple lineup could be expanded.
Iphone mini, iphone, iphone plus.
Ipad mini, ipad, ipad plus.
Macbook air, macbook air tablet (core m for now)
Macbook pro, macbook pro tablet.
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The ipad is useless to me since it's just a giant media consumption device and I can do everything an ipad can do on my phone.
No file management either is the killer. I just never understood the point of the iPad. Put OS X on it and it would actually be really portable low end computer.
No file management either is the killer. I just never understood the point of the iPad. Put OS X on it and it would actually be really portable low end computer.
Yes...and a 4:3 media device.
When the macpad pro do come out will it have 4g? So you can buy over 6-10-12-24-30 months through your mobile or broadband provider "interest free" like with phones and 4g tablets?
And why is there no 4g in mac now that you do not need a simcard anymore? (They could make the 4g an option like with ipads i would also give extra safety options for macs right?)) What is the cost to put one in a mac and save me room for another device (mobile wifi modem) or the annoying 4g usbstick. Also you get more than one simcard with iphone subscribtion in my country (30$ free talk, 20gigs, 3 simcards etc.)
My bet is there will be a macbook pro/air tablet next year (at the time the apple laptops roll out) and it will do ipad apps and have full OS and will also work with the apple pen there is talked about. The tech is here and will be by next year even with a little intel delay. Okay we will get the multitasking 12" ipad this year with optional pen i will have to live with that.
The next one or two years is what I as techlover have been waiting for (i bet i have been saying that the past many years but this time its true)
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Only someone that doesn't know iOS could say something like that.....
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Seeing the "huge" commercial success of Microsoft's solution, I think our iPads are safe for a while
Yes but how long is a while in techworld?
Apart from the prices of those surface and the kinda "IBM" ish look ...the idea
Is pretty great.
Will apple IOS as it is now be enough for a 12" ipad? No doubt multitasking is needed fast (actual work ipad is hell right now... copy/paste hell.)
I have seen mockups of two window multitasking but is that enough?
I was very impressed with a 40$ android tablet doing a movie "allways on top" window mode while i was surfing...or even 4 mp4 movies playing at once.
Like with apples laptops will we then see an airpad and pro-pad. Then will the propad like macbook pro get so slim that there is actually no difference.
Pencil thin or not i would go for that propad on a 12" device.... More app icons on home screen and more room for ads on safari is not enough for me (maybe if price is the same as air 2 is now)
Multitasking is going to happen so should i prepare to be owner of fast obsolete 1gb devices?
The "will ios on tablets die" headline was maybe a bit overkill but on the 12" then and before its even out?
I like the apps on my phone but honestly on my ipad i do not use many apps (i could be the only one)...imagine if one could do actual work on an ipad..not only monitoring and consumption (and yes i know some people actually work on them ipadses)
Compared to the samsung lineup of devices the apple lineup could be expanded.
Iphone mini, iphone, iphone plus.
Ipad mini, ipad, ipad plus.
Macbook air, macbook air tablet (core m for now)
Macbook pro, macbook pro tablet.
Apple doesn't need to compete with Samsung.
They are playing their own league.
Samsung philosophy is to basically flood the market, throw all at the wall and then see watch sticks.
Apple's is different.
I'm agree with you that iOS has to evolve somewhat, especially for tablets. Multi Windows and support for stylus are good examples.
But we are still speaking about iOS...
Has it occurred to you that maybe it's just you then? I do get a lot of use out of my iPad (both for work and entertainment), so it's far from being "just a giant media consumption device".
Can you create directories in iOS, move files to various locations?
While iOS does have a file system, its not exposed, so the user has no ability to manage their data as they see fit. Its one of the short comings that I don't like in iOS.
Yes, there are work arounds like using the OneDrive or Dropbox apps, but the OS itself doesn't let you.
I need to manage my files, not to see system's folders.
I'm using Dropbox, OneDrive and Goodreader for that.
That is useless to me if I want to download something...
The iPad loses to the Surface because the Surface can actually be used as a full computer and not just a Toy.
No, I do not think iOS will disappear and I don't want it too. iOS is better suited for a tablet than OS X, but iOS needs more tablet optimization.
As of right now iOS is a smartphone OS scaled up which I still prefer to a Desktop OS scaled down.
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I believe iCloud Drive was Apple's attempt at fixing this problem, but its implementation still leaves a lot to be desired.
As of right now iOS is a smartphone OS scaled up which I still prefer to a Desktop OS scaled down.
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I believe iCloud Drive was Apple's attempt at fixing this problem, but its implementation still leaves a lot to be desired.
Essentially most of the people complaining about the iPad are using the same reasons that people used to diss the original iPad when it launched.
People, you don't get the iPad. It's not meant to be a good multitasker, but to bring the convenience of a touchscreen-only input and nothing else on a single focused activity at a time. I do plenty on my iPad - use it for a hotspot with the enhanced battery life, use it to read comics, books, watch movies / Netflix, play some really cool games (e.g Blek and more recently Framed), plan my trips with tripadvisor, track my location in GPS on a large screen map, book a room using hotel tonight, pull up electronic PDFs for bus / train rides and hotel vouchers in a pinch, read the latest news using flip board or Mr. reader, browse through Google+ and maybe Facebook, type and read notes with Quip, read PDF newspapers, check out photos on tumblr, read some great blogs and webcomics etc. etc. etc.)
I own both the cellular iPad and iPad mini, and I make it a point to bring an iPad everywhere I go, and I use it everywhere I go. I use my iPad 80% of the time and my iPhone 20%. It's a no compromise large screen tablet as opposed to phablets (I also own a 6+ and frankly I can't figure out why I'd use it over an iPad mini except if I don't have the space or I need a great phone camera).
If you can't figure out how to use the iPad, it's not for you, just use a normal laptop. I'm a software developer and I wouldn't dream of doing any real programming work on an iPad, but in a pinch Prompt allows me to SSH in and do some quick fixes to my server.
I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement on the iPad.... I think the lack of proper stylus support is a very annoying omission, but basically if you never understood the iPad at launch... You're not going to understand it now.
People, you don't get the iPad. It's not meant to be a good multitasker, but to bring the convenience of a touchscreen-only input and nothing else on a single focused activity at a time. I do plenty on my iPad - use it for a hotspot with the enhanced battery life, use it to read comics, books, watch movies / Netflix, play some really cool games (e.g Blek and more recently Framed), plan my trips with tripadvisor, track my location in GPS on a large screen map, book a room using hotel tonight, pull up electronic PDFs for bus / train rides and hotel vouchers in a pinch, read the latest news using flip board or Mr. reader, browse through Google+ and maybe Facebook, type and read notes with Quip, read PDF newspapers, check out photos on tumblr, read some great blogs and webcomics etc. etc. etc.)
I own both the cellular iPad and iPad mini, and I make it a point to bring an iPad everywhere I go, and I use it everywhere I go. I use my iPad 80% of the time and my iPhone 20%. It's a no compromise large screen tablet as opposed to phablets (I also own a 6+ and frankly I can't figure out why I'd use it over an iPad mini except if I don't have the space or I need a great phone camera).
If you can't figure out how to use the iPad, it's not for you, just use a normal laptop. I'm a software developer and I wouldn't dream of doing any real programming work on an iPad, but in a pinch Prompt allows me to SSH in and do some quick fixes to my server.
I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement on the iPad.... I think the lack of proper stylus support is a very annoying omission, but basically if you never understood the iPad at launch... You're not going to understand it now.
... and I could say that the Surface miss entirely the point, because it can't be really used as tablet ...
Perhaps, but since I've largely moved away from apple apps, i.e., use MS office instead of iWork. I'm not really using the iCloud Drive.
I agree though, it is apple's attempt to provide some level of user interaction on files, and folders.
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Apple does compete with samsung but that is not what I was talking about.
I compared apples lineup of devices to samsungs lineup (have read somewhere that samsung also wants to focus on less devices) and there is room for more mobile devices than mini, air, and iphone 6 & plus ...yesteryears models not included.
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Apple does compete with samsung but that is not what I was talking about.
I compared apples lineup of devices to samsungs lineup (have read somewhere that samsung also wants to focus on less devices) and there is room for more mobile devices than mini, air, and iphone 6 & plus ...yesteryears models not included.
What prevents surface to be used as a tablet for real?
Design or OS? Both? What would fix it?
Intel will solve design problems of full tablet OS with skylake and beyond ....promised this year and will further eliminate fan on smaller cpus.
If the tech is there........ Keyboard off and touch display on the macAir
The mac app store would gain popularity with touchfriendly or go all the way and find a way to merge both OS like windows is planning with 10
I understand and also use ipad for most of the time... but now i just want more!
What microsoft is doing with surface and windows 10... that I also want from apple...and not in 3 years!
3 years is a lifetime in tech...I could buy new devices that would be old and obsolete in that time.
I tend to use the 6 plus more than the mini because of one hand operation and simply because its right there .... Right in my pocket.
Desktop is not me, laptop is not me, tv is not me.
That 40" phillips 4k monitor with a mac miniserver doing 4k 60hz and full OS/ios 12"+ macpad pro or air is me. I feel it. And the phone and watch ofcourse. Been going through all kinds of tech and screensizes at that is my conclution.
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Lack of touch optimized apps, for one. No point sporting a tablet ui when the app itself is unsuited for touch and still requires you to tack on a keyboard and mouse at the end of the day.
I think its time for iOS on the iPad to evolve a bit more. Going for the blown up iPhone approach was a great move in the beginning as it allowed all the iPhone apps to come along, and its the Apps that seem to make or break a platform.
Better multitasking is what i would really love to see to allow me to do more involved tasks on it. iOS has a kind of dock at the bottom of the home screen, maybe try and utilise this somehow for multitasking on the iPad.
Better multitasking is what i would really love to see to allow me to do more involved tasks on it. iOS has a kind of dock at the bottom of the home screen, maybe try and utilise this somehow for multitasking on the iPad.
Try to actually keep a Surface in your hands for a while, and you will understand why it's not really a tablet
Didn't the tablet PC offer this ten years ago? I'd rather keep my mobile devices running iOS and my OSX devices running OSX.
Some stuff I want to be locked down and some I dont.
To each their own but as it stands now u have choices with all the companies out there. The only thing I'd be interested in change wise in regards to this topic would be boot camp for iPad and ability to run OSX when needed.
Also just thinking out loud here but does anyone really think windows 10 was built literally from scratch to support both? Not really trying to hate on Microsoft here but an OS built from scratch within two or three years doesn't instill confidence when I've used their OS's since before windows 98
The management ability becomes sort of an optional choice to the apps that really operates on a document hierarchy of their own files, where iOS provides system-wide mechanics (Open In, Export and Document Picker) to move and now access directly files around app containers. So yes, within Documents or Byword, I can create directories and move stuff around, export them somewhere else, and access them via document picker.
I wouldn't say this is sufficient for everyone. I assume except for app-crazy users (need to open X there and here with A and B), this is ideally sufficient enough if users pick and consolidate their collections with the right and minimum viable set of apps, I would say based on my recent adventure. But for people who like their own folder structures, like the freedom of opening here and there, or don't like app containers as the first level of the hierarchy, Apple's current implementation is definitely inferior. Even for people who are fine with it, the implementation absolutely still needs more love and serious thoughts.
[rant]For instance, if tags are in fact visible to Document Picker, I don't really see why an iCloud Drive Finder built around containers and tags didn't ever be on the list. Tag the folders and files, list them in a single place, and now the walled garden and a sort of de facto, container-agnostic file system may co-exist without introducing a full OSX-like shared filesystem.[/rant]
It would be interesting to see where Apple would take the iCloud Drive to, while still maintaining the sandboxing and security policy. The point of containers is that apps can access them without explicit permission (as they own their container), and users are explicitly creating and exporting contents in or to them. But for a real common "drive" i.e. system-wide shared filesystem, it would likely become a huge challenge in UX if one wants to keep the bar of security in its current place, where explicit permission or action is a key factor. If one goes the all-in-or-nothing security permission (e.g. 'Grant this app access to your iCloud Super Drive?'), the security control is in fact loosen...
One great example is, IIRC, Byword's Markdown Preview. Try to embed local photos and preview your Markdown documents, and you will see Byword asking for granting permission for a list of pictures with a confirm button one by one...
So in short, I don't see Apple's current approach is totally wrong, but the implementation really needs some love: a usable picker, a better way to discover and friendly way to manage contents. My two cents are on Yosemite's iCloud Drive folder being wrapped in a Finder app, which supports tags and perhaps Spotlight on iCloud documents. Containers are here to stay, likely.
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I did handle a surface pro 2 for a while; the 16:9 form factor turned me off.
When you say that it's not a tablet, do you mean that in a good or bad sense?
In a purposely exaggerated negative sense.
It's more like a small notebook with an alternative input method than a tablet. And you could say the same for its operative system.