Will the iPhone 15 Launch in (PRODUCT)RED Next Year?

[JamesHolden]

This will probably get deleted as off-topic but I see where you're coming from. I wouldn't say they have no values at all. But as you say it's on a scale. Everything is so personal and emotional these days.

It's just that they, like everyone else in this insane society, are forced to constantly shout about how virtuous they are lest they be accused of not being virtuous enough. It's gone beyond human rights and environmentalism simply because those things make sense. It's become a religion.

Never be the first to stop clapping

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I hope our comments don't get deleted as "off topic". That's one of the things I really dislike about this site. Discussions should be allowed to meander. Interesting things happen when discussions dare to veer off topic.

In my mind, values are not something one compromises. What Apple and other big companies do these days is performative. Are they "forced" to do this? I don't think so. They choose to, because, in the social media era, big companies and individuals alike, willingly participate in performative feedback loops. We could all stop the madness right now...if we all just stopped. No one is forcing anyone, yet we all participate. It's perverse.

It's hard for me to take any corporation seriously when it comes to "values". It's all just marketing. I find Apple's hypocritical relationship with China disturbing on many levels. One of the primary things that convinced me the App Store monopoly needs to end was when the Chinese government forced Apple to pull a bunch of apps from the Chinese App Store...and they simply rolled over. And it's not just Apple. Look at how many celebrities and CEOs have had to make public apologies when the Chinese government didn't like something they said...lest they lose access to the Chinese market.

What do all of these companies and individuals who kowtow to China value? Money. Not privacy. Not democracy. Not freedom of expression. Not freedom of religion. Not human rights. Just watch the John Cena apology video. It's nauseating.

 

[VisceralRealist]

What do all of these companies and individuals who kowtow to China value? Money. Not privacy. Not democracy. Not freedom of expression. Not freedom of religion. Not human rights. Just watch the John Cena apology video. It's nauseating.

I'm not intending to make light of your comment, but it is interesting to me the way people apparently need to continually re-learn that corporations are motivated by financial gain. Apple's focus on the environment, privacy, and social issues is absolutely a form of marketing; everything corporations do serves the goal of increasing profit. Apple doesn't do anything for the "greater good". That doesn't mean a corporation's actions can't positively affect the net good of humanity, but if it were unprofitable to do so, they would not do it!

That also doesn't mean we can't enjoy our Apple products, but it's worth keeping in mind that these are corporations at the end of the day; they aren't our friends and they aren't "looking out for us", no matter what they may claim in their sleekly-edited presentations. All we can do is try to be more aware of the marketing and know what we are supporting and where our money is going.

 

[JamesHolden]

I'm not intending to make light of your comment, but it is interesting to me the way people apparently need to continually re-learn that corporations are motivated by financial gain. Apple's focus on the environment, privacy, and social issues is absolutely a form of marketing; everything corporations do serves the goal of increasing profit. Apple doesn't do anything for the "greater good". That doesn't mean a corporation's actions can't positively affect the net good of humanity, but if it were unprofitable to do so, they would not do it!

That also doesn't mean we can't enjoy our Apple products, but it's worth keeping in mind that these are corporations at the end of the day; they aren't our friends and they aren't "looking out for us", no matter what they may claim in their sleekly-edited presentations. All we can do is try to be more aware of the marketing and know what we are supporting and where our money is going.

Of course it's about the money. Please see my earlier post where I wrote:

So let's be real. Apple has no values. Like all businesses, they're all about the $$$. I have no problem with that. I do, however, have a problem with hypocrites and liars. I wish Apple would drop all of this nonsense virtue signaling and pretend morality and just get back to being a business. I still love the products, but every year I respect them less and less as a company.

 

[CarAnalogy]

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I hope our comments don't get deleted as "off topic". That's one of the things I really dislike about this site. Discussions should be allowed to meander. Interesting things happen when discussions dare to veer off topic.

In my mind, values are not something one compromises. What Apple and other big companies do these days is performative. Are they "forced" to do this? I don't think so. They choose to, because, in the social media era, big companies and individuals alike, willingly participate in performative feedback loops. We could all stop the madness right now...if we all just stopped. No one is forcing anyone, yet we all participate. It's perverse.

It's hard for me to take any corporation seriously when it comes to "values". It's all just marketing. I find Apple's hypocritical relationship with China disturbing on many levels. One of the primary things that convinced me the App Store monopoly needs to end was when the Chinese government forced Apple to pull a bunch of apps from the Chinese App Store...and they simply rolled over. And it's not just Apple. Look at how many celebrities and CEOs have had to make public apologies when the Chinese government didn't like something they said...lest they lose access to the Chinese market.

What do all of these companies and individuals who kowtow to China value? Money. Not privacy. Not democracy. Not freedom of expression. Not freedom of religion. Not human rights. Just watch the John Cena apology video. It's nauseating.

It’s a problem in America too but I’ll just say China is a particularly scary example because they have been so effective at censorship and control of information in general. I think a lot about the Clinton speech where he was so sure the internet would open up China and sadly the exact opposite has happened. It has helped them control information just as well if not better than ever. It’s scary to see them succeed and western governments look at that with envy.

And of course it’s standard practice for Apple to argue that they aren’t part of this and they’re just selling phones and stuff but they are in fact “Gatekeepers” because all the open platforms are dying, being strangled by these very gatekeepers.

Scary combination of circumstances.

 

[Four oF NINE]

I would defiantly get a red 15PM. I like the product red color.


James

"Defiantly", huh... What's defiant about a red phone?

 

[darngooddesign]

"Defiantly", huh... What's defiant about a red phone?

Compared to the current boring colors, lots.

 

[NagasakiGG]

Not a big fan of “(PRODUCT)RED” branding and I’m not convinced that’s the most efficient organization to donate money to if you want to maximize good. Maybe just a “red” color option and a big corporate donation to a better charity?

Tbh, I am not a fan of them either, but better low donation than nothing

 

[Expos of 1969]

I am not in the market for a new phone as my Red SE 3 is serving me well. I would get red again for no other reason than liking the colour. Of course I do not see much of it with the case on.

 

[slothinker]

Just got my iPhone 15 in (very dark) blue. Nice but I can't help but recall what Steve Jobs said about a prototype of the original iMac: "Not ****ing blue enough!"

 

[darngooddesign]

Just got my iPhone 15 in (very dark) blue. Nice but I can't help but recall what Steve Jobs said about a prototype of the original iMac: "Not ****ing blue enough!"

What's funny is that the original Bondi Blue iMac wasn't as blue as the second generation Blueberry iMac G3.

 

[NightFox]

...while the rest of the back plane will be a pale red, a whiteish red.

I think the word you're looking for is 'pink'

 

[Populus]

I think the word you're looking for is 'pink'

You know what? I thought it, but I purposely -and consciously- said pale red because I truly believe that a red iPhone with the whitish glass wouldn’t look like the pink one. But I haven’t seen the pink (or any other iPhone 15 for that matter) since the launch, so I couldn’t assure it now.

 

[darngooddesign]

I think the word you're looking for is 'pink'

I think its right on the edge of being warmer light red or cooler pink; really depends on the lighting.

 

[WLS]

I wouldn't mind this, but happy with my choice of Natural Titanium...

"It should be noted that not every color can be produced with titanium anodizing. In particular, red anodized titanium is not possible due to the physics of the optical interference phenomenon. The nearest available colors to red would be magenta, rose (reddish violet) or purple."

 

[MRrainer]

"It should be noted that not every color can be produced with titanium anodizing. In particular, red anodized titanium is not possible due to the physics of the optical interference phenomenon. The nearest available colors to red would be magenta, rose (reddish violet) or purple."

Noooo!

 

[WLS]

I Appreciate this thread. It has given me hope that Product Red iPhone 15 will make a midseason appearance in 2024. I would upgrade to that immediately. I have the red iPhone 13 mini now. I have the Red watch too although I had to buy a separate band for it.