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Will the iPhone 5 differ vastly from 4s?

All I am trying to know is if anyone thinks apple will likely come up with any exclusive upgrades like how we had FaceTime in the 4 and do you think it will be any advanced that it will make the 4s obscure? (I know apple will have some exclusive upgrades in the new phone, but will it be over the top)

Or do you think the transition will be like the 2g to 3g where the two notable changes were the design and 3g speed
 
Iphoneattack said:
Well surely you must have a slight idea about what apple can change in the the iPhone 5?

What are some upgrades they could do that would make the transition similar to the 3GS to 4?
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Just the things I've already mentioned. No idea what they can do.
 
x-evil-x said:
Just the things I've already mentioned. No idea what they can do.
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Or IF they could do it :D

IMO I really think the reason the 4 was "ahead of its time" was because LTE was not available yet so apple had to cram in some goodies that will persuade the customer. But now that LTE is all set apple just have to tweak a bit of the internals and slap on a new design look and they are good to go. That's why I think it will be a 2g to 3G like transition and since the 4s is selling pretty good til now I don't think apple feel its a must to spend money on over the top features which will cost the customer more. Which is a good business view. They can still milk out the 4s features on the 5.
 
Apple keeping the same design as the 4 & 4s would cast a doubt over Apples ability to create new things
In one sense us Apple guys have to respect Samsung for pushing Apple to put more into their Iphones. Without serious competition who knows how the Iphone would look at this point.
 
Iphoneattack said:
Or IF they could do it :D

IMO I really think the reason the 4 was "ahead of its time" was because LTE was not available yet so apple had to cram in some goodies that will persuade the customer. But now that LTE is all set apple just have to tweak a bit of the internals and slap on a new design look and they are good to go. That's why I think it will be a 2g to 3G like transition and since the 4s is selling pretty good til now I don't think apple feel its a must to spend money on over the top features which will cost the customer more. Which is a good business view. They can still milk out the 4s features on the 5.
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The HTC one x kills the 4s. So apple needs to come up with something better than that to stay on top. Im sure a lot of phones over the next few months will be better than the 4s. There wasn't anything as good as the 4 when it came out.
 
bushman4 said:
Apple keeping the same design as the 4 & 4s would cast a doubt over Apples ability to create new things
In one sense us Apple guys have to respect Samsung for pushing Apple to put more into their Iphones. Without serious competition who knows how the Iphone would look at this point.
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true.

but to be fair I wasnt talking about the design or look
 
x-evil-x said:
The HTC one x kills the 4s. So apple needs to come up with something better than that to stay on top. Im sure a lot of phones over the next few months will be better than the 4s. There wasn't anything as good as the 4 when it came out.
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it "kills it" in internal specs like speed, gigs, LTE etc etc but it doesnt have any exclusive features (or at least any persuasive ones) like how the 4s has siri and face time etc

I also dont think any phone that is not made by apple will be better than the 4 or 4s because of the iOS (unless you are talking about internal specs)

so thats why i think the iphone 5 is going to be a internal upgrade with a new look and LTE being its selling points unlike the 3gs to 4 which its selling points were the facetime, retina display, front camera etc. IMO I think apple done all of these "ou la la" exterior upgrades to the 4 because LTE was not available yet.

and besides small tweaks I dont think apple will completely overhaul with these "ou la la" upgrades like they did to the 4.

Although at the time they WERE neccessary because LTE was not available yet, i dont think apple will spend money for now unnecessary features like they did with the 4, while the 4s is still selling well because it wont make sense business wise and it will cost customers more.

sure they could add new features but i personally think it wont be as big as the front camera etc
 
you never know what they can do or are capable of. They could shock you and then you'll be mad you got a 4s. At least i would... reason i didn't go 4s from a 4...
 
x-evil-x said:
you never know what they can do or are capable of. They could shock you and then you'll be mad you got a 4s. At least i would... reason i didn't go 4s from a 4...
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they could but i doubt it because A anything "over the top" will cause battery drain and B I think the LTE and big screen will be the BIG UPGRADE, they also have to save some ideas for the next year, why rush them all into 5? (if we are depending on apples history of yearly releases)

most of the people here that are experienced in this tech seem to think this as well, or at least I think they might ;)
 
how do you know what size battery they are going to have in the phone? if they are changing the shape and adding lte the batter WILL be bigger. also the chip should be more efficient than the a5...

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Also rushing them into the 5 i think we will see more things because the Game right now is very even and iPhone right now is losing.... If they don't do something great they will be losing a lot of money.
 
x-evil-x said:
how do you know what size battery they are going to have in the phone? if they are changing the shape and adding lte the batter WILL be bigger. also the chip should be more efficient than the a5...

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Also rushing them into the 5 i think we will see more things because the Game right now is very even and iPhone right now is losing.... If they don't do something great they will be losing a lot of money.
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The only things anyone can accomplish by rushing are disappointments. The only thing that the other phones beat apple in are the look factor and internal specs. Just fix these up and iPhone will be number one again. The name iPhone is a selling factor right there

No need for rushing in prototypical features

Save that for 2013-14
 
Iphoneattack said:
The only things anyone can accomplish by rushing are disappointments. The only thing that the other phones beat apple in are the look factor and internal specs. Just fix these up and iPhone will be number one again. The name iPhone is a selling factor right there

No need for rushing in prototypical features

Save that for 2013-14
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i don't think you understand though. Apple NEEDS to stay on top or they will lose money and lots of business. Samsung already is beating them first part of this year selling phones.
They have already known what they are going to put in the phone for years now. The products that steve jobs made or approved i think they said go past 5 years...
They have known what they are going to put in the phone for a while now and make changes based on competition. They won't put out a phone barely better than the 4s unless they want to lose money.
 
x-evil-x said:
i don't think you understand though. Apple NEEDS to stay on top or they will lose money and lots of business. Samsung already is beating them first part of this year selling phones.
They have already known what they are going to put in the phone for years now. The products that steve jobs made or approved i think they said go past 5 years...
They have known what they are going to put in the phone for a while now and make changes based on competition. They won't put out a phone barely better than the 4s unless they want to lose money.
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Barely better? It will have 4g LTE, bigger screen, slimmer design internal updates, iOS6 and a slightly better camera.

I think these will be enough to put apple on top

If they add the oulala features in the iPhone 5, then what is there left for 2013 which is net year?
 
Iphoneattack said:
Barely better? It will have 4g LTE, bigger screen, slimmer design internal updates, iOS6 and a slightly better camera.

I think these will be enough to put apple on top

If they add the oulala features in the iPhone 5, then what is there left for 2013 which is net year?
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2013 will be the 5s or whatever its called. Thats just always internal. Thats if they stick with the same plan they have done so far
 
@the OP.

The iPhone 5 will be an upgrade compaired to the iPhone 4S, yet we are taking guesses here about what the exact upgrades will be (probably 4g/LTE, iOS 6 and a different exterior).
How it will exactly look? We don't know.
What will be the new hardware? We don't know.

So what do we really know?
That the "4" and "4S" will not become obsolete when the "5" arrives. Yes, it will be better, probably will look different so that it can't be mixed up with the "4" and "4S" by bystanders.

It's not about what the new iPhone can or can't do compaired to the previous, but what YOU NEED it to do that suits YOUR NEEDS.

There are different type of iPhone users/buyers in the world.
Some go through an iPhone every 8 months and the new features will make usage easier, some just want to have the newest and some will chance every other model (or even every two models).

Since "package-selling" is/was illegal in Belgium, I had to pay €750 (€740 for the iPhone, €10 to switch to a mini-card) for my unlocked iPhone 4S, so at those prices, it will be the "5S" before I even think about upgrading.
Luckily all the features that the 4S has are enough to get me to fall 2013.

Enjoy your iPhone 4S, Apple Inc will be in the telecom business for a long time so there will come enough models for you to buy, even if you skip from time to time a model ;)
 
And I honestly think that 4g LTE, bigger screen, slimmer design, liquid metal, internal updates, NFC, iOS6 and a slightly better camera is a good upgrade for most and will place apple on top, so I don't see any reason to bust out any oulala features until 2013 or so
 
Zendokan said:
So what do we really know?
That the "4" and "4S" will not become obsolete when the "5" arrives. Yes, it will be better, probably will look different so that it can't be mixed up with the "4" and "4S" by bystanders.
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Just have to look at the continued success of the 3GS to know that the 4 and 4S are far from becoming obsolete...
 
sand_man said:
Just have to look at the continued success of the 3GS to know that the 4 and 4S are far from becoming obsolete...
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obsolete in who's eyes? in mine they all will be if they change the design for the better. The 3gs i would never even consider anymore.
 
Iphoneattack said:
Tha what do you consider to be external besides the shape and screen?

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When I think of Internet I think of all the giga's, chipsets, speed, 3G 4g LTE etc
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external is design change of course(everything on the outside)
 
When I say internal I think of all the memory, giga's, chipsets, speed, 3G 4g LTE etc
 
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