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Will the Zune HD cause Apple to really revamp next gen iPhone?

Well dude...you're disagreeing with me just to DISAGREE ....

I said " IF " then "THEY HAVE A CHANCE "

... obviously their zune-phone doesn't even exist .... thank you for pointing it out... here have a cookie... :rolleyes:

It's all pure speculation... and "What if" scenarios. But they have a good chance to punch a hurting hit, if they manage to pull it off.

They seem to be going in the right direction though. Zune HD is an amazing device. And MS retail stores are coming soon... We'll see...
 
cenetti said:
Well dude...you're disagreeing with me just to DISAGREE ....

I said " IF " then "THEY HAVE A CHANCE "

... obviously their zune-phone doesn't even exist .... thank you for pointing it out... here have a cookie... :rolleyes:

It's all pure speculation... and "What if" scenarios. But they have a good chance to punch a hurting hit, if they manage to pull it off.

They seem to be going in the right direction though. Zune HD is an amazing device. And MS retail stores are coming soon... We'll see...
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How is a MS retail store going to make any difference? They are going to be selling computers from other manufactures with their operating system on it. Sounds like a Best Buy without the Apple products to me . . . .
 
cenetti said:
But they have a good chance to punch a hurting hit, if they manage to pull it off.
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Hurting hit? They have 89% of the market! They sell their software for multiple hundreds of dollars and get away with it. They don't need a "hurting hit". Even calling it that gives full legitimacy to the idea that Microsoft is terrified of Apple.
 
mastershakess said:
How is a MS retail store going to make any difference? They are going to be selling computers from other manufactures with their operating system on it. Sounds like a Best Buy without the Apple products to me . . . .
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Well, it made a huge difference for Apple... if they didn't have a huge retail store in every mall in America... shoving their ipod/iphone line to every non-techy American's face... you think they would have this much success ? think again...


Tallest Skil said:
They don't need a "hurting hit". Even calling it that gives full legitimacy to the idea that Microsoft is terrified of Apple.
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Hurting hit in mobile/PMP sector. Which clearly Apple dominates at this point. And MS should be terrified of Apple. It starts with one ipod..and makes the consumer buy a computer next time. That's how you make people switch.. That's how I switched. I don't own any PCs today. Thanks to my crappy 2nd gen Ipod...

You see.. That's a very clever strategy and MS should be terrified...
 
cenetti said:
It starts with one ipod..and makes the consumer buy a computer next time.

You see.. That's a very clever strategy and MS should be terrified...
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Yes, because no one is going to go, "Hmm, this Zune works well; I'll get rid of my new Mac and go back to buying a PC."

No, if they want Windows, they'll Boot Camp on Apple's hardware.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Yes, because no one is going to go, "Hmm, this Zune works well; I'll get rid of my new Mac and go back to buying a PC."

No, if they want Windows, they'll Boot Camp on Apple's hardware.
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But you're talking about the percentage of people who have ALREADY switched.
MS should be working to prevent more people moving to Apple hardware. Even if those people still continue to use MS windows on their Apple computers.

As we have seen, Mobile/PMP industry is also huge and MS is a part of it. They should start thinking the whole computer/mobile/pmp industry as a whole.

If I have Apple computer, I'll be on the look for Apple products ...
Touch would be my first choice ... not zune... That's how average consumer thinks.

The whole domino effect, which MS didn't care at the beginning... now they see how it affected their windows mobile/pmp line... not to mention the small % they lost to OSX and Linux etc...
 
The Zune HD will cut into Apple's share of the digital media player market like a plastic knife cutting through a solid gold bar.

Did anybody learn from the Palm Pre mess? Just having a shiny device doesn't make it any good. It's 95 percent about what's inside, and Microsoft has worse OS ideas than Palm could ever dream of.

For those of you pointing to the Xbox 360, it was the first console of this generation released and is about $100 cheaper than the PS3. The Wii outsells both, but Microsoft is winning that one mostly on cost.
 
cenetti said:
Well, it made a huge difference for Apple... if they didn't have a huge retail store in every mall in America... shoving their ipod/iphone line to every non-techy American's face... you think they would have this much success ? think again...
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Apple Retail Stores provided a place to buy Apple computers when no department/electronic store carried them. You can buy a Windows based PC anywhere computer products are sold, so its not even the same idea.
 
mastershakess said:
Apple Retail Stores provided a place to buy Apple computers when no department/electronic store carried them. You can buy a Windows based PC anywhere computer products are sold, so its not even the same idea.
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Seriously. Show me someone who has used a computer but never used any version of Windows. You can't. But it took actual computer stores or huge electronics stores to carry Apple stuff before the ARS and the recent addition of some Best Buy stores.
 
Michael CM1 said:
Seriously. Show me someone who has used a computer but never used any version of Windows. You can't. But it took actual computer stores or huge electronics stores to carry Apple stuff before the ARS and the recent addition of some Best Buy stores.
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What? No stores in the Baltimore area carried Apple Computers until the Apple Retail Store opened in 2002 except for Comp USA (horrible store!), which only carried a few models and no software.
 
freeman727 said:
I know that the 3GS is very impressive. But it's not impressive enough for me to upgrade from my 3G phone.
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From reading the threads when the 3GS first came out, I heard thousands of other people say the exact same thing. I still have a 3G myself. If Apple wants me to upgrade to a new iPhone, they are going to have to offer more that just what the 3GS has. The 3GS is Awesome for people that are still using those (cough.cough) blackberry things, but for someone that has a 3G, it's not quite enough to justify the upgrade fee and new contract. Now, if they increase the network speed to 7.2Mbps, then I will upgrade in no time. But I don't see that yet.
 
SFStateStudent said:
+1 ^^^ Yup, iPhone had better watch out if Zune HD starts appearing with a dial pad on it.....LMAO :p:p:p
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I hope you eat your words. :D
Competition is a good thing. Competition is a good thing.

Interstella5555 said:
Zune HD - MP3/Video player/HD Radio/Internet (WiFi dependent)
iPod Touch -MP3/Video Player/Internet (WiFi dependent)
iPhone - MP3/Video player/phone/Internet&GPS (Not WiFi dependent)
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Zune HD - MP3/Video player/HD Radio/Internet (WiFi dependent), $0 per month
iPod Touch -MP3/Video Player/Internet (WiFi dependent), $0 per month
iPhone - MP3/Video player/phone/Internet&GPS (Not WiFi dependent, $80+ per month!

Tallest Skil said:
Continuation:

iPhone: text and image messaging, e-mail, APP STORE.

Zune: Messaging? E-mail? Store?
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Obviously you haven't been following the news. Zune has a new HD App Store coming out soon, and comparing the graphs of App developers for the Zune versus iPhone, the Zune is increasing at a faster rate. Yes, I agree with you 100% that Zune is by no means a threat to Apple right now, BUT only a fool underestimates his/her competition. Have you seen this video yet?
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/zune-hd-video-hands-on-chock-full-of-media-edition/ (courtesy of username cenetti)
 
cenetti said:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/zune-hd-video-hands-on-chock-full-of-media-edition/
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Bingo. If they decide to slip a phone into that thing last minute, they have competition for Android and the Pre.

cenetti said:
Or how about adding some applications?

That's what I meant by it. Change the whole windows mobile structure, not just UI.. OPen a big app store ... and make sure people can play xbox "arcade" games in their zune/zune phones. See then if those 13-16 year olds
would even bother buying an ipod touch...bah! most of them already own xbox..
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Good point. Drop Xbox functionality into the Zune, Allow owners to transfer their Xbox games through an Xbox "App store" onto their Zunes, and add allow them to buy Xbox games at a slightly lower price through the Zune "App store," and Microsoft might actually have a fighting chance against the iPod. Of course, they will need to add something else the iPod doesn't have (maybe some type of WiFi text messaging via a Zune server, not IM but SMS). I'm not saying they would beat the iPod, but they might be able to grab some decent market share.

cenetti said:
Well dude...you're disagreeing with me just to DISAGREE ....
... obviously their zune-phone doesn't even exist .... thank you for pointing it out... here have a cookie... :rolleyes:
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LMAO!!! :D
 
With the Zune HD Microsoft may have managed to finally create a hardware alternative to the Touch, but it still doesn't have a compelling alternative to either iTunes or the iTunes Music Store. That's what still distinguishes Apples offerings from its competitors, the fact that its product consists not only of hardware but also the client software to deliver content to these devices from a well organized online store that offers music, video, and applications.

It's astounding, really, that Microsoft and others brushed off, ignored, or just simply didn't get what was so plainly obvious for so long- That the success of the iPod wasn't just the result of a cool hardware device but rather the integration of this cool hardware device with content delivery software that was well organized with proper media. With the iPhone and iPod Touch this included the delivery not only of media but also of applications that leveraged the hardware.

In truth, Apple hasn't always gotten it either, but it's proven far more agile at correcting its course when this has happened. The lack of applications on the first release of the iPhone is an example of this- Something that took Apple only a year to rectify.

It's great that Microsoft is getting what the iPod Touch is all about, but it still needs to work to do in order to get a solid delivery system to compete with iTunes and the iTMS as well as cultivate a developer community for this product.
 
You have to see, that the Zune HD is actually competing with the ipod touch not the iphone. Personally i believe the Samsung Omnia HD will be the iphone's main competition in the winter. Look at this:

http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-list/coming-soon_samsung-omnia-hd-i8910.aspx

it will be the same thing as the Zune HD capable of playing 720p video. Just that the Samsung Omnia HD is a phone. :p

The iphone most likely will step up there game in 2010, including the ipod touch. :D

We still need to see an OLED screen in the ipod touch, (which will be very likely, and since the ipod is a portable entertainment device, i won't be surprise if apple would make the touch capable of playing 720p video not with the 3rd generation, but maybe the 4th generation including the iphone somewhere in the future. ;))
 
I sincerely hope the Zune HD creates a dent due to how competition in the end means better products for consumers.

The Zune HD is a drop down gorgeous device, and is in fact 100% awesome. I don't have a separate media player from my iPhone, but if I did, I would get a Zune HD in a heartbeat. I can only hope that this finally nudges Apple to put in a higher resolution OLED screen with the next update at the very least...
 
I wouldn't hold my breath.. Apple loves to spoon feed the features, so they can sell more devices... oh and charge $10 bucks for software updates...

I think Ipod touch will get a speed bump, maybe a useless camera and that's about it.... They will sell that one first, theeeen next year you'll probably see OLED screen... but I am sure not before iphone gets it...
 
No, if they want Windows, they'll Boot Camp on Apple's hardware.
But you're talking about the percentage of people who have ALREADY switched.
MS should be working to prevent more people moving to Apple hardware. Even if those people still continue to use MS windows on their Apple computers.

As we have seen, Mobile/PMP industry is also huge and MS is a part of it. They should start thinking the whole computer/mobile/pmp industry as a whole.

If I have Apple computer, I'll be on the look for Apple products ...
Touch would be my first choice ... not zune... That's how average consumer thinks.

The whole domino effect, which MS didn't care at the beginning... now they see how it affected their windows mobile/pmp line... not to mention the small % they lost to OSX and Linux etc...
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Why? MS is a software company above a hardware company, if all the switchers are still buying Windows at full retail price, MS isn't really losing anything. If they really wanted more market penetration with the Zune, they would make it compatible with OS X.

cenetti said:
I wouldn't hold my breath.. Apple loves to spoon feed the features, so they can sell more devices... oh and charge $10 bucks for software updates...

I think Ipod touch will get a speed bump, maybe a useless camera and that's about it.... They will sell that one first, theeeen next year you'll probably see OLED screen... but I am sure not before iphone gets it...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley
 
Interstella5555 said:
Why? MS is a software company above a hardware company, if all the switchers are still buying Windows at full retail price, MS isn't really losing anything. If they really wanted more market penetration with the Zune, they would make it compatible with OS X.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley
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The problem of course is that every other conumer electronic doesn't require the fees. My xbox, ps3, psp, wii, zune, ds, would all NOT charge for software updates of any kind. The game consoles in particular have had just as much functionality changed an iPod touch.
 
freeman727 said:
I know that the 3GS is very impressive. But it's not impressive enough for me to upgrade from my 3G phone.
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Duh - you're not the target market. Apple KNOWS you have a two-year contract. The 3GS was targeted at original, 1st gen Iphone buyers and that's exactly who bought it (along with those entirely new to Iphone, as well.) Next year I bet you'll want the new Iphone that is introduced because it will have much higher capacity (probably 64gb judging by the doubling this year,) much greater speed and who knows what else.

I'm not going to jump on the "bash Microsoft" bandwagon because I'm sure the Zunes have matured into decent products. Microsoft has learned how to build decent players with good software. What they haven't learned how to do is build INNOVATIVE consumer products like Apple has. Like everyone else, they simply wait and see what Apple does and then they make their version of it. Apple obviously didn't make the first internet-capable phone, they just made the first one that really did the interface right . . . which is proven by the fact that we wouldn't see all these copies of the Iphone by everyone else around.
 
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