Fair point.
It's just funny that folks want the quality of the brand-name at a fraction of the price and then cry when they don't get it.
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Will you buy fake cases
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Fair point.
It's just funny that folks want the quality of the brand-name at a fraction of the price and then cry when they don't get it.
DougFNJ
macrumors 65832
The seller is scamming the original manufacturer by blatantly stealing their ideas and selling it at a lower price thus taking potential profits away from the one who too the initiative and created something. It is stealing.
YMark
macrumors 6502a
I'm not condoning what the seller is doing. But don't change the definition of a word to make your point. The seller isn't "scamming" anybody. He readily admits to what he or she is doing.
DougFNJ
macrumors 65832
So he isnt scamming because he told you he is blatantly knocking off someone elses idea and told you so? So those Chinese iPod and iPhone knockoffs aren't scams either if they say they are knockoffs? A $20 knockoff Rolex isn't a scam either because you KNOW it's a knockoff?
That's the newest in justification 😛 It's not stealing because I TOLD you I was taking it from you.
YMark
macrumors 6502a
You really should invest in a dictionary. There is one in the App Store. Scamming is synonymous with hustling or conning. And the "stealing" example you cite above is robbing, not stealing.
Again, I'm not condoning what the person is doing. But it isn't scamming. 🙂
I don't know too many who are claiming that. Plenty of people, myself included, expect substandard quality.
But what's really funny is that the quality of the authentic, doesn't seem to be all that stellar either. Plenty of complaints on these very forums about authentic cases not living up to expectations - paint chipping, poor reception, poor fit... So if that's true the knock offs are even MORE appealing. Because you get the same crappy qualify for 1/10 of the price! 😀
DougFNJ
macrumors 65832
"Scam: A fraudulent business scheme, to defraud, swindle."
Yea, I think it falls under the first definition pretty well. Did the seller have permission to knockoff the manufacturers product? It's the same as selling fake Rolexes or fake Coach handbags, no? Or is it still not fraudulent because one says it's not?
George Costanza's lesson to effectively lying: "It's not a lie if you believe it" 😉 I guess in today's society in justification, check your morals at the door?
it's not fraudulent if you are not trying to purposely be misleading. these knock off sellers are freely admitting their crappy quality products are copies. They are not selling them at $150 claiming they are the real deal. If they were, THEN it would be fraudulent.
Now, the people on eBay who are claiming they have authentic articles and are charging big dollars for them when they aren't real? THAT's a scam.
When they can charge a more reasonable price, then I'll buy original cases.
However, I would much rather buy several £15 cases that are subpar quality compared to one case that is over £100.
However, I would much rather buy several £15 cases that are subpar quality compared to one case that is over £100.
DougFNJ
macrumors 65832
Let me give you an example of something. I do reviews on watches that began with reviewing Casio G-Shocks. I have a good relationship with Casio and have had some great conversations with their Director of Distribution.
The fact is, Casio spends a LOT of money in marketing, branding, research, quality assurance, manufacturing, and distribution. There are sellers out there that rebrand these fake watches to look like G-Shocks, and they call them S-Shocks with the S looking very similar to a G. They steal the entire look of many of Casio's models, particularly their limited editions and sell them on Ebay and streets. Along with these, there are plenty of knockoffs that do the same thing. So you could sit there and say, who cares, Casio is a multi-billion dollar organization that charges too much anyway. So people sell these fakes, most AS fakes and charge less for them with everybody knowing they are fake. Now Casio has to pay for security too, they try to put one fake seller out of business, and 2 open in its place. So all these watches are being sold. Casio puts out all the creativity, marketing, building the brand recognition, and these sellers illegally and fraudulently capitalize on this.
This process is a scam in itself, that has been my point. It forces companies to have to allot money towards stopping this, it deters creativity and originality, and prices of things that could be lower priced increase as a result. So again, justify any of this activity all you want, but understand the overall scam you are a part of as either a buyer OR a seller.
First, it's against the law to copy another's design and trademark, regardless of how much you charge for the fake.
Second, could you please point me to where the counterfeiters advertise their products as fake? They certainly advertise the authentic look, right down to copying the authentic maker's trademark. And some even provide bogus "Certificates of Authenticity." They try very hard, in fact, to mimic the authentic product in every detail but the price. That's the essence of counterfeiting - and it's illegal regardless of the price.
You're wrong, as a matter of both law and ethics. Stop rationalizing and just admit that you care for neither.
You're right, of course.
VandyChem2009
macrumors 6502a
I currently own 51 iPhone 4/4s cases so I can tell you that while all of my cases are official if I did it again I would deffinitely buy the fakes.
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It's amazing how counterfeiters can produce goods so cheap and still live a nice life. These over priced originals is what people should really be "angry" about.
It's amazing how counterfeiters can produce goods so cheap and still live a nice life. These over priced originals is what people should really be "angry" about.
