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Will you return your iPhone 4 if apple doesn't recall?

DSchwartz88 said:
So you just don't read that's it right? Consumer Reports reproduced the issue and said they "couldn't recommend the iPhone 4 until this issue is resolved".

One of the smartest antenna designers said he tried this design 10 or more years ago and the same issue happend.

Engadget took a volt meter to the iPhone and conducted conductivity tests and found the difference to be .06 which is AWFUL.

I dont have to hold this phone for 2 minutes for it to happen, in my apartment I will drop a call in seconds if I switch to holding it that way.

If you search my post history you'll find that when I got the phone at first I thought it was perfect, but this was because I was living in an area with amazing signal. Flash forward to this week, I just moved into my new apartment and dont have great signal, I drop calls left and right, and my data connection cuts out if I hold it the wrong way.

If this problem doesn't affect you, thats awesome, and im being serious. I wish this problem didn't affect me but it does. However, its NOT OK to act like there is no problem just because you don't experience it....Consumer Reports doesn't just come out with statements like that without backing it up...have you seen erica sadun's strength app, its all proof...so stop muddying up this discussion with your fanboyism.
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*sigh*

The majority of reports say, that while the issue exists with dropping bars (which I haven't contested), that most aren't affected on day to day use. Calling me a fanboy for stating an opinion is close to concession, which is okay too.


I suppose the reports of this being "the best smartphone ever" is just "fanboyism"

I am on iPhone 4 #3 due to yellowing. It pissed me off to the point of calling Apple for compensation (which I got). My point is that while the bars may drop, they don't warrant a recall. So go return your iPhone if you doesn't make calls. That's a no-brainer, since it is after all a phone.

Using Consumer Reports as a reason to not buy is a little ignorant. Instead I would urge people to buy the phone, try it for 25 days, and if you aren't happy get your money back. It's all very simple.

Just because I answered your question with a detailed NO, doesn't mean I haven't read (and mind you ONLY read since every owner I have talked to is more than happy) the hoopla.

Blonde Buddhist
 
BlondeBuddhist said:
*sigh*

The majority of reports say, that while the issue exists with dropping bars (which I haven't contested), that most aren't affected on day to day use. Calling me a fanboy for stating an opinion is close to concession, which is okay too.


I suppose the reports of this being "the best smartphone ever" is just "fanboyism"

I am on iPhone 4 #3 due to yellowing. It pissed me off to the point of calling Apple for compensation (which I got). My point is that while the bars may drop, they don't warrant a recall. So go return your iPhone if you doesn't make calls. That's a no-brainer, since it is after all a phone.

Using Consumer Reports as a reason to not buy is a little ignorant. Instead I would urge people to buy the phone, try it for 25 days, and if you aren't happy get your money back. It's all very simple.

Just because I answered your question with a detailed NO, doesn't mean I haven't read (and mind you ONLY read since every owner I have talked to is more than happy) the hoopla.

Blonde Buddhist
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Your right using Consumer Reports as ba sis for anything is quite narrow minded. All I meant by them was that they were a respected publication who wouldn't post something false. But how about Anandtech:

Anandtech said:
"The drop in signal from holding the phone with your left hand arguably remains a problem. Changing the bars visualization may indeed help mask it, and to be fair the phone works fine all the way down to -113 dBm, but it will persist - software updates can change physics as much as they can change hardware design. At the end of the day, Apple should add an insulative coating to the stainless steel band, or subsidize bumper cases. It's that simple
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The dropping bars isn't my issue, its raw dbm thats dropping. If you live in an area with -50dbm signal (which is awesome) than holding the phone will result in a drop to around -70dbm which is still an amazing signal. However, if you live in area with -90dbm which is ok-good (but way more than capable of getting amazing data and voice) than holding the phone will result in a drop to around -110dbm. The lowest a phone can go before dropping everything is -113dbm.

All im saying is look at the science, its been proven. Just because your an edge case that has awesome signal doesn't mean the problem isn't real.

Heres video proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCfyKfIwSDQ

Other than this issue I agree with you, this is the best phone on the market hands down. If they can somehow figure out how to fix this, either by giving people microcells, or by actually fixing the issue in the phone I will 100% stay.
 
If I became absolutely stuck with the current reception problems/proximity sensor problems, YES, as much as I hate to admit it I would be forced to return my iphone 4.... I have significantly worse reception on my iP4 even when I'm NOT touching the corner. It is the absolute worst when I am lying in bed. I feel like if I touch any of the metal at all my reception could be affected. And the proximity sensor is worse. I talk to my fiance on the phone ALL the time (we are long distance right now) and I either mute her, hang up on her, facetime her, call another person, add a contact, or just start pushing random touchtone buttons, on average 4 times a day. It is ridiculous and I would begin to hate Apple and iPhones if I had to live with this for 2 years.

That being said... I have faith that the sensor thing will eventually be fixed, and I can always use a case.. soo.. I don't really plan on returning...
 
Mad Mac Maniac said:
That being said... I have faith that the sensor thing will eventually be fixed, and I can always use a case.. soo.. I don't really plan on returning...
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I wish I had faith the proximity sensor will be fixed. Everyone I know who has a 4 is having that problem, whereas no one I know is having big problems with the signal strength (we all can replicate the drop in strength, it just hasn't been a problem in practice), yet the media/world is only talking about the signal strength problem. The proximity sensor is far more annoying and I would assume far easier fixed.
 
My phone works perfectly and has no problems at all. You'll have to kill me before my iPhone goes anywhere.
 
I have had no issues with mine thus far, in fact I'm geting better reception than I did with my iPhone 3G. All of the cell phones I've ever owned always had some sort of case, the iPhone 4 is no different. It currently has an iFrogz case.

I therefore see no reason at all to return the iPhone 4 because it is working as advertised and I am happy with it.
 
No problems here and getting a reception in places i couldnt with my 3GS. I dont want my baby being recalled its fine the way it is! :eek:
 
Yes I will return 3 iPhone 4 on my business plan i will go back to my 3gs i use this for my business
and this is a joke that i have to hold the phone i a way to not lose the signal
my iphones will lose the signal only by touching that area they are to sensitive

and i am a apple Fanboy bot my business is 1st :mad:
 
I'll tell you what, they better not say something like the new fix will be included in phones being manufactured now, but all previous phones will have to use a bumper to fix the issue or alike.

That would make me return it In a second
 
Keeping mine. I've had the same problems with the ip4 as i did with my 3gs which is none. Its so funny to see so many people on this forum trying to convince other people to return there ip4. If you have a problem return it,there dosen't have to be this grand announcement that your returning your phone. I for one would like to hear more from the people who are happy with there ip4's.Lets be positive apple will fix the problem. the funny thing to watch for is all those people complaining and switching carriers will be BACK! I'm a happy ip4 owner and will never switch to any other phone.
 
I have this aching feeling that there has been a change in the production of future iPhones, but the ones that have already been purchased will receive a software update. And if that doesn't fix it you'll most likely be able to exchange for an updated unit. I doubt this will even be announced, but I bet this is how it'll go down. So in essence nobody will really be beat, but there will be no recall. So I really doubt I'll be returning mine.
 
I'll have to go with no. Even though the reception issue is evident I use a bumper and I can't replicate the issue if I tried. On the other hand regardless I don't think there's a phone out there right now that fits my needs/wants like the iPhone.
 
BlondeBuddhist said:
Absolutely.....NOT.

Can I replicate the "problem"? Sure if I spend minutes with the phone gripped so hard the phone is inches from crumbling. As far as it's effect on my daily use, there is none. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Dealing with a company that says "Deal with it" is a bit refreshing in contrast to a company that basically says the same thing, cuddled and curdled with rhetoric and patronization. Tomorrow's conference is purely an entertaining curiosity for me. Will I accept some free merchandise? Certainly. I, however, won't be affected since the issue has eluded my actual use.

Recall? You must be kidding. Even though a recall would add much more hype than the initial launch, and probably even go Apple's way (since all they touch turns gold), they aren't going to recall a product that most people haven't suffered under. I'd like to know who the first geek (no offense to geeks, since I obviously qualify as for hanging on a forum), but I wanna know who the first geek with too much time on his hands was that took his iPhone 4 and squeezed the antenna until the bars dropped.

What will happen then? My guess is that Steve will talk about the new software and how it has a more precise reading of actual signal strength. Then maybe, and this is a big maybe, offer up some Apple cash to those who have purchased before a certain date (like todays). Then he will (not so) politely tell the world that they have 30 days to return for full refund and strut his 5.5 billon dollar stuff off stage to a certain nostalgic tune of his choosing.

Blonde Buddhist
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You obviously haven't the first clue about the issue then because it doesn't take a crushing grip to reduce the signal. The issue doesn't really affect me that much, and definitely not enough to make me switch to another phone. That doesn't however mean I'm blinded to the actual issue where you can use a fingertip, palm of your hand, coin, or even a paperclip and cause the signal loss. Merely having the phone touch a finger or palm of the hand causes the issue for people. I would hardly say they are using a crushing grip.
 
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I'm on the fence about this.

Overall, the experience my wife and I have had with our iPhone-4's has been great.

I can however, reproduce the antenna issue with 1 bar and zero data quite easily if I take the case off. However my house has always been a black hole for cell phones and even then I need to be in the back room of the house to do it. Since she and I use protective cases I can't say that the issue actually effects me much though.

What concerns me though is resale value when you get to the upgrade time again. Sure it's only $400 for a couple of new phones, and yes, as a Texan I really do spend more than that on ammo some years, but still it's on my mind. To me, buying an iPhone is different from buying traditional phones partly because after two years, you can basically upgrade for free due to that residual value. If Apple chooses to do nothing will these two iPhone 4's I've got have ANY value left? I doubt they will. (and no, going to the range less often is not a viable option.

Also, I've looked at lots of Android phones (Evo, Incredible, Moto Droid) and as a non-geek I just didn't like them. (subjective, I know) I guess that I could go back to my iPhone 3G and wait another 3-6months for Android to catch up as far as screen resolution and front camera integration, but I still don't think I'll like the UI.

Sean
 
They won't let me return mine since the back glass is shattered, so....no. :(

My reception sucks at home, but it's always sucked there (great almost everywhere else :sigh), can't figure out if it's the IP4 or just AT&T. Probably a little bit of both.
 
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