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Windows 10 is getting some good reviews

VulchR

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Regarding passing data onto others. I haven't heard this. Where did you read it?

I was reading some of the stories and blogs about Windows 10 and the issues were raised repeatedly - for example see link. I gather much of the data collection can be turned off, but what functionality is sacrificed when these features are disabled? I just get the feeling that many companies - not just MS- are playing a game along the lines of 'you do not have to give us information, but if you don't our software won't work'. That might be fine for a web site, but it would be much less so for an OS. Also, I wonder how secure the information will be in transit to and storage in MS. But, like I wrote above, I was just curious to see what knowledgeable people make of it. I'm suspicious but perhaps it's not that big a deal.

EDIT: quoted a more reliable link; cleaned up spelling
 
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I'm very sorry but OS X in its current form is a joke for power users. That Unix underbody doesn't save it from being a toy OS.

I manage a devops team that uses Macs to look after a UNIX/Linux datacenter environment with about 1500 physical servers and 10k + virtualised.

Trust me, you're not actually a "power user" even if you think you are. ;)
 
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SlCKB0Y

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As a Linux developer with over 15 years of experience, I can wholeheartedly say that OS X is a far superior operating system compared to both Linux distributions and Windows.

I could give a multitude of reasons why but it seems like those of you that think OS X is a "toy OS" have made up your minds.

Define "far superior". I'd agree with you on the desktop but Linux smokes OS X and Windows as a server.
 

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Anyone have Bluetooth issues? I lost my BT KB & mouse yesterday and unable to pair again since my W10 laptop doesn't see my BT devices anymore.

All in all, I really like it. Much improved over W8.
 

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I manage a devops team that uses Macs to look after a UNIX/Linux datacenter environment with about 1500 physical servers and 10k + virtualised.

Trust me, you're not actually a "power user" even if you think you are. ;)
I work for the federal government in a team of programmers who also look after a lot of servers (about 5x the number of yours) and only Windows has the tools and the capacity to accomplish the things we need to do on a daily basis. We only recently migrated from using Macs to a mix of mostly Windows and some Linux and our efficiency and workflow has increased dramatically (it certainly had to in order to justify the expenditure to the higher ups, and it certainly did).

Trust me, you're not actually a "power user" even if you think you are. ;) There's always somebody who's bigger than you. Don't be so sure you're at the top.

And now that this dick-measuring contest is settled, allow me to say that your and I are wasting our time even bringing that up in this thread. Our jobs are not representative of the vast majority of users of Windows and OS X. No respectable large-enough company would use Windows or Mac servers. Almost everywhere you can work will have Windows or Macs for interacting with a Unix server running in the back. So it really doesn't matter which OS does servers better because they're both crap.

Power users in a consumer scale are the only thing that matters in this argument and, I'm sorry, but OS X still sucks at everything consumer related aside from graphics and for use as a consuming machine. As a producing machine, Windows simply has way more apps (way way way more), way more community support, and way more developer support. If my MacBook Pro didn't allow boot camp with Windows 10 for when I need to do big boy stuff, I'd never have bought it.
 
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Currently road-testing Win 10 on a HP Spectre X360 and I have to say I'm impressed by both the software and hardware. As a heavy Office user it's really slick compared (unfortunately) to Office 365 on OSX which, regardless of updates and patches, has always lagged way behind the Windows counterpart.

I may have to say goodbye to my rMBP. I'd love to use OSX I just can't justify taking it over Windows and Boot Camp kills the awesome OSX battery life.
 

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Even Microsoft has accepted that their phone business will not catch up (never mind unseat android and iPhone). They'll continue to roll out phones and provide targeted solutions, i.e., vertical solutions but the writing on the wall, its not going to be a money maker for MS.

Short term, but think about what happened to blackberry.
iPhone and iOS has been devoid of anything decent in terms of moving the bar for a while. Both iOS platforms and OS X are showing their age.

As a longterm Mac user who doesn't care about the fan boy crap, I'm really impressed with 10, I'm considering removing OS X and just running windows.
 
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Short term, but think about what happened to blackberry.
No argument, but two things, first Windows phones in Europe is more popular, and secondly, since this isn't Microsoft's only product, they're much more able to absorb losses in the phone sector if it means helping out their strategic vision
 
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AFEPPL

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I was more meaning the rate at which market leaders can fall from grace, or the underdogs can become the front runner.
I like the change, the fact windows is a good product doesn't mean all Mac owners have to complain or simply dismiss it for whatever poorly conceived reason they can invent. I want innovation and change - having multiple vendors pushing each other for the next best/big thing is ultimately good for us consumers.
 
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SlCKB0Y

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I work for the federal government in a team of programmers who also look after a lot of servers (about 5x the number of yours)

Canadian Federal Government? What brand/model of servers? 5 times which number? Physical or virtualised (i.e 7.5K physical or 50k virtualised?). What OS are they running? Define "looking after".

Power users in a consumer scale are the only thing that matters in this argument and, I'm sorry, but OS X still sucks at everything consumer related aside from graphics and for use as a consuming machine. As a producing machine, Windows simply has way more apps (way way way more), way more community support, and way more developer support. If my MacBook Pro didn't allow boot camp with Windows 10 for when I need to do big boy stuff, I'd never have bought it.

Ahuh. How long have you been running Windows 10 for your "big boy stuff"?

The thousands of Google and Facebook techs using Macs in the workplace and at home might disagree with you:
http://bgr.com/2013/11/28/mac-chromebook-google-employees/

Or IBM: http://www.techradar.com/au/news/co...-become-the-biggest-buyer-of-macbooks-1300861

Or the half of other US corporations: http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/04/nearly_half_of_us_corporations_issuing_macs_to_employees
 
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Canadian Federal Government? What brand/model of servers? 5 times which number? Physical or virtualised (i.e 7.5K physical or 50k virtualised?). What OS are they running? Define "looking after".
Clearly you've never worked for the federal government if you think I'm allowed to tell you any of that. There's a reason I didn't specify even the specific number of servers we're using. I can answer that they're running Windows 10 though (which is surprising considering they're known to be behind the times a lot of the time).


Ahuh. How long have you been running Windows 10 for your "big boy stuff"?
Since the early insider builds, starting from when it was quite broken. Been quite a ride.

..you do realize most of them run Windows on these machines, right? They bought them for the hardware.

Forrester found that while 46 percent of corporations now issue Macs, only 7 percent of computers given to employees run Apple's OS
Nice job reading your own source.

The ones that are running OS X (Facebook, Google) mostly do web development. Any OS can handle that.
 

SlCKB0Y

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Clearly you've never worked for the federal government if you think I'm allowed to tell you any of that. There's a reason I didn't specify even the specific number of servers we're using. I can answer that they're running Windows 10 though (which is surprising considering they're known to be behind the times a lot of the time).

Cool, thats all I need to know. You're absolutely full of it. Thousands of government servers running Windows 10? Windows 10 has been out less than a week which means that either the government was running prerelease, non-secure, non-server software on servers or they have purchased and upgraded a fleet of thousands of servers in the last week.

Since the early insider builds, starting from when it was quite broken. Been quite a ride.

So you work for a federal government, obviously care about security and you've been doing your "big boy" work on an Alpha/Beta OS which is unstable, insecure, and sends/leaks voluminous amounts data back to Microsoft?

The ones that are running OS X (Facebook, Google) mostly do web development. Any OS can handle that.

Ahuh, those tens of thousands of techs at those companies using OS X are all just doing "web development".
 

LadyX

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Currently road-testing Win 10 on a HP Spectre X360 and I have to say I'm impressed by both the software and hardware. As a heavy Office user it's really slick compared (unfortunately) to Office 365 on OSX which, regardless of updates and patches, has always lagged way behind the Windows counterpart.

I may have to say goodbye to my rMBP. I'd love to use OSX I just can't justify taking it over Windows and Boot Camp kills the awesome OSX battery life.

I keep hearing good things about HP Spectre X360.
 

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Cool, thats all I need to know. You're absolutely full of it. Thousands of government servers running Windows 10? Windows 10 has been out less than a week which means that either the government was running prerelease, non-secure, non-server software on servers or they have purchased and upgraded a fleet of thousands of servers in the last week.
Are you sure you work in the tech industry? I never said the servers run Windows 10. I even specifically said Windows 10 (and Mac) were poor choices for server OSes.

The servers could be running NT 3.1 for all I care; I still don't have to answer to you nor prove anything to you. :)

So you work for a federal government, obviously care about security and you've been doing your "big boy" work on an Alpha/Beta OS which is unstable, insecure, and sends/leaks voluminous amounts data back to Microsoft?
No, I ran Windows 10 on my computer at home as well as my MacBook. I never said my workplace used insider builds. Your strawman failed miserably.

Ahuh, those tens of thousands of techs at those companies using OS X are all just doing "web development".
Facebook and Google are mostly web-based companies. And they certainly use Windows for Android development. I don't see why it's so puzzling that web services companies are mostly doing web work.

Tens of thousands is a laughable number and is really meaningless in the grand scheme of things. And the only source which had anything to say about choice of operating systems mentioned OS X was being used on only 7% of the purchased Mac hardware.

I'll say this: the problem with Mac OS X isn't that it's limited as an OS in any way. It's simply years of head start by Windows that's keeping business using the usual, familiar operating system that they grew up on. Any modern OS can interact with a Unix server cluster. It's simply years of exclusivity and Apple being behind that sort of cemented Microsoft's place in the business industry. It has nothing to do with core capabilities. It just so happens that Windows has a much larger install base and therefore it has more apps and more support. That's all there is to it.

Put me in a room with a few dozen others and I'm probably the biggest Apple fanboy there; I have a top of the line MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and Apple TV, and thinking of getting a Mac Mini to use as a small media centre at home (and remotely). I love Apple's products but I can still admit to areas where they're behind, and business is clearly one of them (in the OS space - they're clearly doing much better in the hardware space). So don't get me wrong.

Pretty sure everybody's tired of reading walls of text and I've said everything that I need to say anyway. So that's it for me.
 
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Since I've only been using it for a few days, I'd say so far so good. I have it installed on my 2 thinkpads and I really like it. Both were upgraded from Windows 7. The install was pretty seamless. Edge is smoother than Explorer and I use it as much as chrome and firefox. It wasn't so with explorer. Also, Office 365 is integrated better. Keep it up Microsoft.
 

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Are you sure you work in the tech industry? I never said the servers run Windows 10. I even specifically said Windows 10 (and Mac) were poor choices for server OSes.

The servers could be running NT 3.1 for all I care; I still don't have to answer to you nor prove anything to you. :)

Ahuh...you won't answer simply because you're being untruthful. What OS do the servers run then? Why do you need Windows to "look after" them.

Clearly you've never worked for the federal government if you think I'm allowed to tell you any of that. There's a reason I didn't specify even the specific number of servers we're using. I can answer that they're running Windows 10 though (which is surprising considering they're known to be behind the times a lot of the time).

I'm not sure how else someone could interpret that other than you're claiming that the servers are running Windows 10.

No, I ran Windows 10 on my computer at home as well as my MacBook. I never said my workplace used insider builds. Your strawman failed miserably.

You said you use use Windows 10 for your "big boy work". If not your job then what is your "big boy work"?

Facebook and Google are mostly web-based companies. And they certainly use Windows for Android development. I don't see why it's so puzzling that web services companies are mostly doing web work.

1. Google does not use Windows for Android development, the use their in-house Goobuntu distro with Android Studio (previously Eclipse).

2. Facebook and Google are mostly web development? Pfft. I would argue that web development is a minor part of what they do. Think of all the sales, support, design, programming, devops, research, testers, db design, db admin, OS coding, algorithm, statisticians, marketing, logistics, etc etc.

I'll say this: the problem with Mac OS X isn't that it's limited as an OS in any way....It has nothing to do with core capabilities.

No, your claim was that OS X was a "Toy" OS and you implied that no serious work could be done on it and it wasn't appropriate for what you called "power users".

Pretty sure everybody's tired of reading walls of text and I've said everything that I need to say anyway. So that's it for me.
 
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spriter

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I keep hearing good things about HP Spectre X360.

I gave heard great things about the spectre 360 as well. Like 11 hour battery life a great experience all around.

I was certainly surprised with the hardware. To me it's an MBA with a HD touchscreen - exactly what I was wishing Apple would do at the last refresh. That it has tent/stand/tablet mode and can be used with a stylus is a bonus.

And back to Win 10, I agree Edge is a good start but needs to catch up with extensions before I'd consider it my primary browser. Haven't really had the need to do much more than general user stuff but it's very slick and even on my brother's aging Lenovo it's running smooth. I think the Tech preview really brought things along quite well.
 

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I still have to switch back to Internet Explorer (didn't realise it was still installed behind the scenes!) in order to use Sky Go!

Still, gotta be done. Can't be missing the start of the football league this saturday.
 

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I think Edge is a good start but before I start considering using that over Chrome, I need to see plugins, such as the ones I use for Chrome.

Good point. I'm also not using it over Chrome. However, I am using it a bit when before, I would avoid explorer.
 

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Ahuh...you won't answer simply because you're being untruthful. What OS do the servers run then? Why do you need Windows to "look after" them.
Because we do for our purposes. :)



I'm not sure how else someone could interpret that other than you're claiming that the servers are running Windows 10.
Yeah sorry, I worded that wrong. I wrote they as in "my workplace."



You said you use use Windows 10 for your "big boy work". If not your job then what is your "big boy work"?
Personal hobbies; FL Studio for music production, a mix of Sony Vegas and other encoding tools for video production, etc. Things that Mac can do with available apps (like Logic Pro, which is great), but Windows can do a bit better (FL is better).

2. Facebook and Google are mostly web development?.
Yeah. :)

No, your claim was that OS X was a "Toy" OS and you implied that no serious work could be done on it and it wasn't appropriate for what you called "power users".
And my reasoning was laid out in the paragraph. Read it again and take down notes, pop quiz next week. :p
 
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I get so bored of this fanboy crap.... from all sides...

Not sure why would you click on this particular thread then as you could probably guess that there would be some fanboy discussion. Personally, I don't really participate all that much, but sometimes when I'm bored, I'll break out the popcorn and watch the fireworks.
 
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