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Windows 10 is silly fast, even when compared to Yosemite
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I'm on 10.11.1 Beta (15B38b) running from a 512 GB Samsung 850 Evo SSD on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2011) with 16 GB RAM, 2.4 GHz i7 processor, Intel HD 3000 and Radeon HD 6770 M graphics. I'd say things are silly fast on this machine too. Not really anything to complain about performance wise. And I still like the user interface better in OS X, much quicker to navigate for the most common tasks.
I am running Win 7 Pro on my 27 iMac. I am getting the Win 10 install notices. Am I able to install Windows 10 on my 2 year old iMac. Does it go smoothly? Are all the drivers there? Do not want to kill my computer so help me out, please.
Windows 10 is working extremely fast even compared to El Capitan for me. I like the new interface too.
Now, I find myself using Windows much more often on my MBP than I do OSX.
At this point, I think I am better off switching to a Windows PC completely. Dell XPS 15 looks like a great upgrade to my 2013 Retina Macbook Pro 15.
The reason I no longer prefer OSX, is because i am tired of all app incompatibility issues. I am a developer and they are so many tools which are not available on OSX, besides Windows is more productive OS than OSX in my opinion.
Now, I find myself using Windows much more often on my MBP than I do OSX.
At this point, I think I am better off switching to a Windows PC completely. Dell XPS 15 looks like a great upgrade to my 2013 Retina Macbook Pro 15.
The reason I no longer prefer OSX, is because i am tired of all app incompatibility issues. I am a developer and they are so many tools which are not available on OSX, besides Windows is more productive OS than OSX in my opinion.
Also a friend of mine said that Earth is flat and USA is in Europe.Good luck.
My friend (who works as an IT technician and now is an IT manager) has always been running Windows says he had a problem with Windows 10 ....
I got a blue screen in Windows 10 myself..
Just because one person had a problem doesn't mean that's true for everybody.
In what way? I find the lack of user interface consistency between apps in Windows quite cumbersome. Also have a hard time with the Windows 95 look of many apps.
I didn't say that everyone have issues with Windows 10. You're attacking a strawman. I just said that the experience hasn't been totally smooth for me and my friend. And I'm quite sure we're not alone. Same goes for OS X of course – some people seem to have issues many don't have.
Like I've said El Capitan is working well and smooth for me on the three Macs I use it on. Not really any speed issue to complain about. So not missing Windows because of that reason at least. What is it in OS X that is worse/slower for what you do?
1. I find that OS X seriously hinders my productivity. For example, the Split View implementation of El Capitan is a joke. In Windows I can just snap two windows side by side and STILL see the start bar where i can switch between other applications instantly. In OS X, the Split View takes a full second to render that stupid animation before going to full screen and the worst part is the launcher disappears completely. Meaning if you want to switch to other apps, you have to go to mission control (which again takes a full second due to slow animations). Additionally exiting Split View takes 2-3 seconds.
2. Also as a developer I have to use ECL IDE which is only available in Windows and for that I use Parallels Desktop. But the problem with using Parallels is that it also affects the performance of the virtual machine. The difference between running Windows natively vs Parallels is night and day.
3. I passionately hate the Photos app.
a) There's no other usable photo manager for OS X.
b) Yes there's free Picasa, but it's horrible on Retina display because it's not optimized for it and will soon be abandoned by Google.
c) I have 80 gigs of pictures which were meticulously organized by events in iPhoto over several years. Importing those into Photos app completely destroys hundreds of hours of work I put into organizing my library. The only solution I have is to export those events by folder. Which I did but it comes back to point a) (see above)
1.
Agreed on the split view. Agreed on the animation. Hopefully they will improve it since it's the first time OS X has it. In the meantime, perhaps try this: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/37265/bettersnaptool
Oh, and this is also quite nice: https://bahoom.com/hyperdock/
But I fully agree that's better done in Windows. Don't know why they have to hide the menubar in OS X when using that. But you don't have to go to Mission Control to switch to other apps, use ”cmd tab”.
Which leads me to one of the things I like better in OS X. ”Cmd tab” shows a list of all running applications – not all windows – like how ”alt tab” in Windows does it. I find it much quicker switch to the application I want in OS X when many apps are running. Also the fact that you just have to point at the app you want to switch to and then release ”cmd tab” to make the switch happen – one less click than in Windows which matters in the long run since at least I switch between apps often. It's awesome to have the ”Switch Application” feature of the app SteerMouse mapped to the scroll wheel button of my mouse. Besides that software works with many different mice. Haven't been able to find something similar for Windows – a mouse driver that works for many mice and that triggers ”alt tab”.
I also like that you in OS X have a separate keyboard combo (that is customizable, just like any menu item in OS X) to switch between windows in the frontmost app. In Windows you always switch between all open windows with ”alt tab”. It gets messy when a lot of stuff is open.
Also, the ability for Mission Control to reveal only the windows of the frontmost app can be quite handy.
2.
I haven't developed much, but I hear bot sides having complaints about the other here.
Sor example, a one month old comment I found on YouTube under this video:
”They use Windows at my holiday job. Because they know I study computer science, they asked me to write an application for them. I just wanted to pull my hair out developing on Windows. I noticed there were so much things unsupported that I took for granted while developing on my Mac. It took a day of looking for workarounds and installing 3rd party plugins to setup a decent development environment.”
I don't know, but I'm under the impression that it's pretty flexible to develop for OS X plus it's obviously the only platform that you can use to develop for OS X an iOS. I've been using this a little in OS X when learning to develop in Unity using C#: https://xamarin.com
3.
I don't like the Photos app in its current state either. They need to add more features before I will switch to it. I'm still on iPhoto. Works fine under El Capitan for me. Can't you keep using that?
No other usable foto manager for OS X?
Which ones have you tried?
Lightroom?
Lyn? http://www.lynapp.com
ACDSSee Mac Pro? http://www.acdsee.com/en/products/acdsee-pro-3-mac
Unbound? http://unboundformac.com
Aftershot Pro 2? http://www.aftershotpro.com/en/products/aftershot-pro/#tab=0
What are you using in Windows?
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Some other things I like in OS X (some of these things may(?) have been added to Windows 10, but I'll list them anyway):
•Simple software installations from disk images – many times just drag the app to where you want it.
•Can't overshoot the menubar – just fling the mouse up there an click (Fitt's law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts's_law
•Ability to add or change the keyboard combo shortcut for a menu item (like I mentioned before)
•Ability to search for a menu item by typing it's name in the Help menu
•Ability to drag a file to an app in the application (cmd tab) switcher to open it using that app
•Pressing ”1” or ”arrow down” (while keeping the cmd key down) in the app switcher will reveal all the windows for the highlighted app (i.e. Mission Control's ”Application windows”)
•Drag and drop a folder or a file into an open/save dialogbox in any app and you will navigate to the location of the dragged folder/file.
•Hot corners for Misson Control can be quite convenient.
•More GUI consistency between apps – for example, the Preferences for all apps are almost always in the app's menu (shortcut ”cmd ,”)
•Being able to calculate and list folder sizes in the Finder (is this still missing in Windows 10 or have they added it?)
•Being able to have folders in the Dock and navigate through them via that.
•Quick Look in the Finder is quite handy.
•Easier to type many special characters such as ™ ® and Ω.
•Ability to color tag files and folders
One last thing that is saving me a lot of time having more than one OS X computer is the ”MacUpdate Desktop” service from MacUpdate which costs $20 per year and can be used on up to five computers. It helps updating third party software not installed from Apple's App Store, which most of us have quite a few. It's not flawless, but overall saves me a lot of time having to do all the updates on the tree Macs I use regularly. Is something like this available for Windows? I think not.
Just a few examples.
Not to mention the risk of getting malware into your OS still is much lower in OS X. And it's also much easier to manually remove the malware in case you'd get it (happened for two users at work) – there aren't so many places in OS X that it can hide. No need to scan the entire computer. And during the 10 years I've been working at my current company (yes, I know… It's time to move on) there ave been in total three incidents of on the OS X computers, which I manually removed in a few minutes. I don't want to think about how much time we've spent on this for the Windows computers… And don't get me started on the Windows Update issues that have plagued many computers. Microsoft even has a tool to ”fix it for me” (which doesn't always work): https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/gp/windows-update-issues/en-us
*sigh*
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Agreed on the split view. Agreed on the animation. Hopefully they will improve it since it's the first time OS X has it. In the meantime, perhaps try this: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/37265/bettersnaptool
Oh, and this is also quite nice: https://bahoom.com/hyperdock/
But I fully agree that's better done in Windows. Don't know why they have to hide the menubar in OS X when using that. But you don't have to go to Mission Control to switch to other apps, use ”cmd tab”.
Which leads me to one of the things I like better in OS X. ”Cmd tab” shows a list of all running applications – not all windows – like how ”alt tab” in Windows does it. I find it much quicker switch to the application I want in OS X when many apps are running. Also the fact that you just have to point at the app you want to switch to and then release ”cmd tab” to make the switch happen – one less click than in Windows which matters in the long run since at least I switch between apps often. It's awesome to have the ”Switch Application” feature of the app SteerMouse mapped to the scroll wheel button of my mouse. Besides that software works with many different mice. Haven't been able to find something similar for Windows – a mouse driver that works for many mice and that triggers ”alt tab”.
I also like that you in OS X have a separate keyboard combo (that is customizable, just like any menu item in OS X) to switch between windows in the frontmost app. In Windows you always switch between all open windows with ”alt tab”. It gets messy when a lot of stuff is open.
Also, the ability for Mission Control to reveal only the windows of the frontmost app can be quite handy.
2.
I haven't developed much, but I hear bot sides having complaints about the other here.
Sor example, a one month old comment I found on YouTube under this video:
”They use Windows at my holiday job. Because they know I study computer science, they asked me to write an application for them. I just wanted to pull my hair out developing on Windows. I noticed there were so much things unsupported that I took for granted while developing on my Mac. It took a day of looking for workarounds and installing 3rd party plugins to setup a decent development environment.”
I don't know, but I'm under the impression that it's pretty flexible to develop for OS X plus it's obviously the only platform that you can use to develop for OS X an iOS. I've been using this a little in OS X when learning to develop in Unity using C#: https://xamarin.com
3.
I don't like the Photos app in its current state either. They need to add more features before I will switch to it. I'm still on iPhoto. Works fine under El Capitan for me. Can't you keep using that?
No other usable foto manager for OS X?
Which ones have you tried?
Lightroom?
Lyn? http://www.lynapp.com
ACDSSee Mac Pro? http://www.acdsee.com/en/products/acdsee-pro-3-mac
Unbound? http://unboundformac.com
Aftershot Pro 2? http://www.aftershotpro.com/en/products/aftershot-pro/#tab=0
What are you using in Windows?
---
Some other things I like in OS X (some of these things may(?) have been added to Windows 10, but I'll list them anyway):
•Simple software installations from disk images – many times just drag the app to where you want it.
•Can't overshoot the menubar – just fling the mouse up there an click (Fitt's law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts's_law
•Ability to add or change the keyboard combo shortcut for a menu item (like I mentioned before)
•Ability to search for a menu item by typing it's name in the Help menu
•Ability to drag a file to an app in the application (cmd tab) switcher to open it using that app
•Pressing ”1” or ”arrow down” (while keeping the cmd key down) in the app switcher will reveal all the windows for the highlighted app (i.e. Mission Control's ”Application windows”)
•Drag and drop a folder or a file into an open/save dialogbox in any app and you will navigate to the location of the dragged folder/file.
•Hot corners for Misson Control can be quite convenient.
•More GUI consistency between apps – for example, the Preferences for all apps are almost always in the app's menu (shortcut ”cmd ,”)
•Being able to calculate and list folder sizes in the Finder (is this still missing in Windows 10 or have they added it?)
•Being able to have folders in the Dock and navigate through them via that.
•Quick Look in the Finder is quite handy.
•Easier to type many special characters such as ™ ® and Ω.
•Ability to color tag files and folders
One last thing that is saving me a lot of time having more than one OS X computer is the ”MacUpdate Desktop” service from MacUpdate which costs $20 per year and can be used on up to five computers. It helps updating third party software not installed from Apple's App Store, which most of us have quite a few. It's not flawless, but overall saves me a lot of time having to do all the updates on the tree Macs I use regularly. Is something like this available for Windows? I think not.
Just a few examples.
Not to mention the risk of getting malware into your OS still is much lower in OS X. And it's also much easier to manually remove the malware in case you'd get it (happened for two users at work) – there aren't so many places in OS X that it can hide. No need to scan the entire computer. And during the 10 years I've been working at my current company (yes, I know… It's time to move on) there ave been in total three incidents of on the OS X computers, which I manually removed in a few minutes. I don't want to think about how much time we've spent on this for the Windows computers… And don't get me started on the Windows Update issues that have plagued many computers. Microsoft even has a tool to ”fix it for me” (which doesn't always work): https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/gp/windows-update-issues/en-us
*sigh*
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