Windows 10 mid-2010 MacBook Pro?

[ThisOldMacHead]

I´d say you could stop to bore people with your uneducated guess, when it comes to Windows. Do your homework and try again. People with appropriate knowledge about OSX and Windows would never argue like you do.

Newsflash son... You're on Mac website. While I give you kudos for your well-worn technique of just trying to diminish me to elevate your own position... I actually haven't said jack about Windows itself, other than the fact that if your running Windows - you're not using a Mac.

I was initially responding to someone else... You jumped in on your own volition. This might come as a shock... But there was a time when people who bought Macintoshes were actual Mac users.

 

[z31fanatic]

Btw Oldmachead, a Mac is still a PC.

Your turn now.

 

[johnh57]

Tell you what - go to skeetsoftware.com, pay your $75.00 license fee for the annual subscription and run it on os/x. Get back to me, k?

Simple program, there is no os/x version, there is no os/x competition for it either. It's a must have for what its for though. If some mac database programmer wants to get rich you could develop an os/x version, get it approved, and maintain it. Be available pretty much any weekend by phone or email to fix problems. There could be 50 maybe even 100 people that might pay a $75 subscription fee.

I can either run windoze on my macbook, or, I can go buy another computer for pretty much the sole purpose of running that application. If that makes me a mac traiter -- so be it.

I have a whole boatload of engineering spreadsheets developed in excel with VBA macros - they don't work so good either on os/x.

My ancient and decrepit finite element structural analysis program - not available in os/x. I haven't found many, if any, similar programs available either. So windoze it is. I don't know why, maybe macs can't do matrix manipulations, or can't handle the graphics. Seems odd though.

I don't give a crap about gaming and could care less if the mac is poor gaming computer.

But it is what is. Decent to very good hardware and a good os, with limited application available for it. Windoze on the mac is just another app to have to run to do your work.

ETA: running w10 (infrequently) on a 2010 mbp - through parallels. because of the licensing issues I have not tried to run it in bootcamp.

 

[ThisOldMacHead]

Btw Oldmachead, a Mac is still a PC.

Your turn now.

Clever... Did you just come up with that?

Tell you what - go to skeetsoftware.com, pay your $75.00 license fee for the annual subscription and run it on os/x. Get back to me, k?

Simple program, there is no os/x version, there is no os/x competition for it either. It's a must have for what its for though. If some mac database programmer wants to get rich you could develop an os/x version, get it approved, and maintain it. Be available pretty much any weekend by phone or email to fix problems. There could be 50 maybe even 100 people that might pay a $75 subscription fee.

I can either run windoze on my macbook, or, I can go buy another computer for pretty much the sole purpose of running that application. If that makes me a mac traiter -- so be it.

I have a whole boatload of engineering spreadsheets developed in excel with VBA macros - they don't work so good either on os/x.

My ancient and decrepit finite element structural analysis program - not available in os/x. I haven't found many, if any, similar programs available either. So windoze it is. I don't know why, maybe macs can't do matrix manipulations, or can't handle the graphics. Seems odd though.

I don't give a crap about gaming and could care less if the mac is poor gaming computer.

But it is what is. Decent to very good hardware and a good os, with limited application available for it. Windoze on the mac is just another app to have to run to do your work.

ETA: running w10 (infrequently) on a 2010 mbp - through parallels. because of the licensing issues I have not tried to run it in bootcamp.

If you have to fire up Parallels for a specific need or any reason really... You're still booting into the Mac and just as you said, essentially using Windows as an application. Either way, you're booting into Mac OS - so the Mac is still a Mac. I'm specifically referring to those who spend the money on a new Mac and then regularly bootcamp into Windows - at that point it's just a run of the mill "Windoze" PC.

 

[macenied]

Clever... Did you just come up with that?



If you have to fire up Parallels for a specific need or any reason really... You're still booting into the Mac and just as you said, essentially using Windows as an application. Either way, you're booting into Mac OS - so the Mac is still a Mac. I'm specifically referring to those who spend the money on a new Mac and then regularly bootcamp into Windows - at that point it's just a run of the mill "Windoze" PC.

So for the sake of a peaceful thread: My Apple laptop is not a Mac and your Mac is a Mac. I have no problems with that beside my lack of understanding why it could be important whether a Mac is a Mac or a Mac is no Mac.

In case I will sell my Apple laptop I will restore OSX again ( I removed it completely when I upgraded to W10 ) and it can be a Mac again. No issue . I hope the computer is not angry that it can´t be a Mac for a while.

 

[venom600]

"Hey guys... I just blew a big wad of cash on this new CTS-V, but I didn't like the fuel economy I was getting, so I ripped out that big, honkin' V8 and tossed in a four-banger from a Chevy Cobalt. It still looks the same and I did spend the money on it... So it's still a V, right?"

Your analogy is just bad, wrong, and misleading. If you are a car guy, you should be ashamed of yourself. If we must use tortured analogies, it's the equivalent of taking the 475hp V8 (OS X) out of a Corvette and replacing it with the 475hp Twin Turbo V6 (Windows 10) from the ATS-V. They both make the same power, they get the same work done, but they do so very differently and the reliability of one is far more suspect than the other.

 

[macenied]

I need Windows for my work but I gave OSX seriously a try for more than 5 years now. My view on that is OSX decreased it´s quality while Windows improved in the same time. Lately OSX barely gets above Beta status due to it´s bugs and yearly major releases. Yosemite was very disappointing for me. I don´t say OSX is not good, I just say it´s nothing ( more ) for me.

However, my next laptop will be an Apple again due to the reasons I mentioned already. My head says it should be a MPB mid 2012 ( a maxed out MD101, thats what I need ) and my heart says it should be a rMBP 2015 13" ( that´s what I want ). Curious who wins .

 

[z31fanatic]

However, my next laptop will be an Apple again due to the reasons I mentioned already. My head says it should be a MPB mid 2012 ( a maxed out MD101, thats what I need ) and my heart says it should be a rMBP 2015 13" ( that´s what I want ). Curious who wins .

It won't matter because either one of them will be just another run of the mill Windoze PC.

 

[grunt0300]

Windows on a Mac... I'll never understand that. Ever.

Well, i guess that you never owned an android device. For rooting and doing file work with an android phone, windows works better, and is much easier. Apple however, makes a much better laptop, which is why they have Bootcamp Assisstant. Got it now?

 

[grunt0300]

Apple won't support Windows 10 on your machine. There won't be any native drivers for it, however the Windows 8 drivers work just fine. Just install them when you get it upgraded.

I'll check for windows 8 drivers, and get back to you, thanks.

 

[grunt0300]

Apple Support says NO, NO, NO!!! If i download windows 10, even with the right drivers, it may screw up my hard drive. It's not worth the risk.

Thanks to all who tried to help.

 

[ThisOldMacHead]

Your analogy is just bad, wrong, and misleading. If you are a car guy, you should be ashamed of yourself. If we must use tortured analogies, it's the equivalent of taking the 475hp V8 (OS X) out of a Corvette and replacing it with the 475hp Twin Turbo V6 (Windows 10) from the ATS-V. They both make the same power, they get the same work done, but they do so very differently and the reliability of one is far more suspect than the other.

The point of the analogy was that the LSA motor makes the CTS-V a "V." Without it, it's no longer a V. Just like if you take the Mac OS out of a Mac - it's no longer a "Mac." The four-banger reference was to exaggerate my point; if it makes you feel better, I'll amend my analogy to say the regular, run of the mill, NA 3.6 instead of the four-banger. Better?

And just for the record... That supercharged 6.2 makes 556HP... Not 475.

 

[z31fanatic]

Apple Support says NO, NO, NO!!! If i download windows 10, even with the right drivers, it may screw up my hard drive. It's not worth the risk.

Thanks to all who tried to help.

Don't be discouraged. Many people with 2010 Macs (errr run of the mill PC now ) have upgraded to W10 and have it running well. Head over to the W10 upgrade thread and read it.

 

[doynton]

Apple Support says NO, NO, NO!!! If i download windows 10, even with the right drivers, it may screw up my hard drive. It's not worth the risk.

Thanks to all who tried to help.

I am running 10 on 2007 MBP and it works fine using bootcamp 4 drivers (with AppleHFS disabled). It will not "screw up" your hard drive - that is a ludicrous thing to tell you.

 

[venom600]

The point of the analogy was that the LSA motor makes the CTS-V a "V." Without it, it's no longer a V. Just like if you take the Mac OS out of a Mac - it's no longer a "Mac." The four-banger reference was to exaggerate my point; if it makes you feel better, I'll amend my analogy to say the regular, run of the mill, NA 3.6 instead of the four-banger. Better?

And just for the record... That supercharged 6.2 makes 556HP... Not 475.

I changed your analogy because it's a terrible, misleading comparison. Windows 10 can do everything OS X can, and more in some cases. You aren't losing anything but a bit of reliability and Apple's design ethos by using Windows 10. It's simply a different way to get the same things done.

A 4cyl Cobalt engine is not in any way the equal of the supercharged LSA and to use them in an analogy shows just how biased and flawed your argument is.

I chose the twin turbo V6 out of the ATS-V (ATS, not CTS) to compare to the LT1 in the Stingray because they make similar power very differently. Both can accomplish the same task, but they come from very different schools of engine design, just like Windows and OS X.

 

[venom600]

Apple Support says NO, NO, NO!!! If i download windows 10, even with the right drivers, it may screw up my hard drive. It's not worth the risk.

Thanks to all who tried to help.

It won't mess up anything. If windows 7 and 8 worked, 10 will too. Back up your system and try it, you'll be surprised. Apple simply doesn't want to support any issues you have.

 

[ThisOldMacHead]

I changed your analogy because it's a terrible, misleading comparison. Windows 10 can do everything OS X can, and more in some cases. You aren't losing anything but a bit of reliability and Apple's design ethos by using Windows 10. It's simply a different way to get the same things done.

A 4cyl Cobalt engine is not in any way the equal of the supercharged LSA and to use them in an analogy shows just how biased and flawed your argument is.

I chose the twin turbo V6 out of the ATS-V (ATS, not CTS) to compare to the LT1 in the Stingray because they make similar power very differently. Both can accomplish the same task, but they come from very different schools of engine design, just like Windows and OS X.

I'm not going to get into the same argument that's been going on for 25 years. Truth be told, I don't give a rat's behind what Windows can or cannot do - it's completely irrelevant. Stop looking for unintended slights. The point is - the LSA makes a V a V. The Mac OS makes a Mac a Mac. You want to use Windows, knock yourself out... But Apple branded Intel hardware bootcamped directly into Windows makes it a Windows PC - not a Mac.

 

[grunt0300]

It won't mess up anything. If windows 7 and 8 worked, 10 will too. Back up your system and try it, you'll be surprised. Apple simply doesn't want to support any issues you have.

Well if you're right, and you could be, then that's a hell of a thing to say to a MacBook Pro user. I'll back up my files, and think about it for a while. Thanks for the info.

 

[macenied]

Well if you're right, and you could be, then that's a hell of a thing to say to a MacBook Pro user. I'll back up my files, and think about it for a while. Thanks for the info.

I am running W10 Pro on a mid 2010 13" MBP with 8 GB RAM and 480 GB SSD for 6 weeks now. Everything is fine.

 

[witherwings]

Running Windows 10 Edu on my Bootcamp MacBook Pro 15" mid-2010, 8GB RAM, 500GB SSD since day 1 of Windows 10 release. Buttering smooth and fast. I even think it feels faster than OS X...

 

[grunt0300]

Running Windows 10 Edu on my Bootcamp MacBook Pro 15" mid-2010, 8GB RAM, 500GB SSD since day 1 of Windows 10 release. Buttering smooth and fast. I even think it feels faster than OS X...

OK, how do i backup all my windows 7 files? Can't figure out where to put them? I could use some help.

 

[macenied]

OK, how do i backup all my windows 7 files? Can't figure out where to put them? I could use some help.

The best would be an external drive, USB 2.0, 3.0 or Firewire 800. Then backup the entire Windows partition to this drive ( image backup ) and make sure, you can restore single files from this backup as well. If you need to create an emergency boot recovery media for image restore ( USB stick or CD/DVD ) do this and test if you can boot it.

This way you can restore the entire Windows 7 installation in case something goes wrong and single files or folders ( your data ) after the successful upgrade.

I am sure many programs support this, I use Macrium Reflect free v6.

 

[grunt0300]

The best would be an external drive, USB 2.0, 3.0 or Firewire 800. Then backup the entire Windows partition to this drive ( image backup ) and make sure, you can restore single files from this backup as well. If you need to create an emergency boot recovery media for image restore ( USB stick or CD/DVD ) do this and test if you can boot it.

This way you can restore the entire Windows 7 installation in case something goes wrong and single files or folders ( your data ) after the successful upgrade.

I am sure many programs support this, I use Macrium Reflect free v6.

I'll have to get another USB drive tomorrow. OK, so after i backup my windows 7, i just hit install on the windows 10? If things go south, i still have the original installation disk for windows 7, with the keycode.

 

[macenied]

I'll have to get another USB drive tomorrow. OK, so after i backup my windows 7, i just hit install on the windows 10? If things go south, i still have the original installation disk for windows 7, with the keycode.

You download the correct ISO for your machine ( 32 / 64 Bit, Home or Pro ) from Microsoft and make the install media. You boot Windows 7 and execute the setup program on the install media. You wait with further steps until W10 will be licensed.

After the upgrade you can decide for a clean install, which I would recommend. There are already W10 upgrade threads here, one very specific for your MBP opened by myself. You´ll find plenty of information.

 

[macenied]

Apple Support says NO, NO, NO!!! If i download windows 10, even with the right drivers, it may screw up my hard drive. It's not worth the risk.

Thanks to all who tried to help.

I almost forgot this. Yes, BootCamp 5 under Windows 10 can screw up your hard drive.

The reason is the BootCamp 5 "applehfs.sys" driver, which does not work in Windows 10. It also causes other errors with Windows 10.

To overcome the issue, disable this driver after BootCamp 5 installation and use the free Paragon HFS+ driver for Windows 8/8.1 instead. As a benefit, you will have read and write access to the HFS+ filesystems using the Paragon driver.