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The difference is Windows can run on some pretty old hardware. Apple, on the other hand, gives users of older Apple stuff the big middle finger and says "F you" after 5-6 years.
A weird way of seeing it. I prefer, Apple doesn't bog down new machines maintaining support for legacy software and hardware. If anything, Apple's issue is that they update their hardware so irregularly that when it comes time to upgrade they are still selling the same stuff.

Win11 looks to be fixing that, by cutting support at Intel gen 8 and Ryzen Gen 2. Hopefully, they stick to this, so they can clean up the OS, but knowing Microsoft they will cave closer to the launch of the product.
 
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Although MS is not officially supporting old hardware (...which is bonkers if you ask me...), the Insider Preview version of Windows 11 has been shown to work just fine on basically anything that runs Windows 10, including some old Athlon 64 X2 and Core 2 Duo systems, once you bypass the install-time compatibility checks. So it seems that this is a business restriction and not a technical restriction.
That's exactly the same as with OS X; it's just standard for operating system releases - you can install the latest MacOS on macs a few generations older with some workarounds.
 
The difference is Windows can run on some pretty old hardware. Apple, on the other hand, gives users of older Apple stuff the big middle finger and says "F you" after 5-6 years.
That's nonsense. The reason is that Windows is backwards compatible to the dark ages with older *software* while Apple has no problem making changes that break (some) apps written for an old version of macOS either completely (like 32-bit apps) or partially (like apps designed for an older version of macOS that run but end up with weirdly places UI elements because their properties changed or random crashes because some undocumented assumption no longer holds).
 
That's not really true. Any new OS release stops supporting older hardware - Windows 11 is stopping hardware support for a whole load of systems that are only 2-3 years old. Hell, at work, we have a couple of Surface Book 2 laptops that are I believe only a little over 2 years old and they do not support Windows 11. Apple's never released an OS that didn't support their own machines that recent.
Windows 11 is actually the first new version of Windows to drop support for older hardware.

I just read here that Surface Book 2 most definitely is compatible with Windows 11.
 
That's nonsense. The reason is that Windows is backwards compatible to the dark ages with older *software* while Apple has no problem making changes that break (some) apps written for an old version of macOS either completely (like 32-bit apps) or partially (like apps designed for an older version of macOS that run but end up with weirdly places UI elements because their properties changed or random crashes because some undocumented assumption no longer holds).
Your "reason" doesn't make what I said any less true.
 
Windows 11 is actually the first new version of Windows to drop support for older hardware.

I just read here that Surface Book 2 most definitely is compatible with Windows 11.
The entry level Surface Book 2 does not support it as it uses the old Core i5-7300U processor. That's likely why Microsoft did a stealth update to the Surface Book 2 line and swapped the entry level processor to a newer variant two years ago.
 
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Just a side thought...

Since Apple won't give us MacOS on our M1 iPads, maybe Parallels will give us Windows 11
 
I don't think this is quite right:

"On Intel-based Mac computers, users can natively run Windows using Boot Camp, as well as through virtualization. However, running Windows natively through Boot Camp is no longer possible on all Apple silicon Macs, leaving virtualization to be the only option."

Windows 10 can run in Boot Camp on Intel machines, but not 11, at least not yet I believe. Microsoft announced that Windows 11 will require TPM (Trusted Platform Module) chips on existing and new devices.
 
I've had Windows 10 on ARM running in Parallels on my M1 MBP since the Parallels Tech Preview, and have continued to be impressed at how well it runs. I've been able to install a handful of 4-8 year old apps I was pretty sure I'd never be able to use again. Windows 11 came up as an update and so far it's been running just as smooth as Windows 10 has been. All of my same apps are still working just fine. No crashes.
I had re-used an older Win10 License I had used for my BootCamp Partition on my older MBP, and now everything still shows as being licensed under Win11. To those that say Microsoft doesn't license Windows for ARM, whelp... The license I'm using was purchased years ago.

It's my understanding that the Windows shell itself in Win11 is basically unchanged from the latest Win10 Dev Previews, though. Lots of spit & polish, but under the hood it's not much different. Microsoft has explained that they plan on releasing new features via Software Updates in the future and are currently concentrating on stability, which explains how well it's running this early on.

Also, to those commenting about how Windows has worked so well on older equipment, that's because Microsoft has been lowering the bar for TPM to 1.2 up until now, and with Win11 will be hard set to TPM 2. Yes, folks with some older computers can make BIOS changes to accommodate, but what about those non-tech-savvy folks that don't want to mess with that? I'm sure a BIOS update could be implemented to change that, too, but BIOS updates can go horribly bad if done improperly by someone that doesn't really understand.
 
That's not really true. Any new OS release stops supporting older hardware - Windows 11 is stopping hardware support for a whole load of systems that are only 2-3 years old. Hell, at work, we have a couple of Surface Book 2 laptops that are I believe only a little over 2 years old and they do not support Windows 11. Apple's never released an OS that didn't support their own machines that recent.
The difference is Windows can run on some pretty old hardware. Apple, on the other hand, gives users of older Apple stuff the big middle finger and says "F you" after 5-6 years.
i Was able to get and run new MacOS releases on my 2012 iMac until MacOS Big Sur in 2020. That was almost 8 years and it is still running Catalina, which is still supported by Apple with security update releases.

Current Mac computer processors are 2-3 times faster than my 2012 iMac i7. Internal SSDs are 5-6 times faster. Thunderbolt 3 is 4 times as fast as the TB 1 that shipped with my 2012 iMac. Even wireless protocols for WiFi and Bluetooth are significantly faster now than then. As long-in-the-tooth my 2012 iMac is, it still runs Catalina quite well and my User experience with it is really not noticeably different than my brand new M1 MacBook for my use cases.

I Was able to get and run new MacOS releases on my 2012 iMac until MacOS Big Sur in 2020. That was almost 8 years and it is still running Catalina, which is still supported by Apple with security update releases. Current Mac computer processors are 2-3 times faster than my 2012 iMac and the internal SSDs are 5-6 times faster. Thunderbolt 3 is 4 times as fast now too. Even wireless protocols for WiFi and Bluetooth are significantly faster. As long-in-the-tooth my 2012 iMac is, it still runs Catalina and my User experience with it is really not noticeably different than my brand new M1 MacBook for my use cases.

Why haven’t I upgraded? I’m waiting for the M2 iMac to be released, assuming I don’t just settle for a 2021 M1X MBPro that dock with multiple monitors for home use.
 
Why doesn't Microsoft just sell their own containerized version of Windows 11 that will run on a Mac?

You double-click the icon... and a virtualized *legal* copy of Windows 11 runs in a self-contained environment.

Microsoft could sell it for $100 to those who really need it. And Microsoft would control the experience.

Why are 3rd-parties like Parallels responsible for making this work?
 
I was able to install both versions, the initial one and the official build on mac mini 2012, although it has to be patched to overrun the restrictions. It worked pretty fast, also bugs as well. Unfortunatelly, due to some ms libraries it ended in some greenscreen error and in boot loop. So i guess, when someone will prepare new working patch for older hardware i will give it a try second time.
 

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I won’t go to m1 until they have bootcamp
Although I'm not debating your reasoning here, because I was also apprehensive. But Running Windows on my M1 MBP really makes it seem more like just an App as opposed to an entire OS. It runs great. It would be WONDERFUL to be able to utilize ALL of my MBP's power and 16GB, but at least for me, I can still have Safari, Mail, Reeder, Photos, Find My, Messages, Tweetbot, Music, MS Edge... ALL running just fine while I'm also running Windows 10 and now 11 in it's own Full Screen window. If you've got 16GB of RAM on an M1, you can easily set 4GB aside to Windows along with 2 Processor Cores. Runs great.

But yes, I agree if it's something you NEED and rely on, hold out or get an Intel Mac. Lots of money to throw around for a few "ifs".
 
I don't like windows at all. Gave up on it after Vista. But I have to say that some thing they are doing look nice.
The windows management feature is very nice
 
That's not really true. Any new OS release stops supporting older hardware - Windows 11 is stopping hardware support for a whole load of systems that are only 2-3 years old. Hell, at work, we have a couple of Surface Book 2 laptops that are I believe only a little over 2 years old and they do not support Windows 11. Apple's never released an OS that didn't support their own machines that recent.
Yeah but Microsoft can and most likely will need to walk back their aggressive stance on cutting off hardware demands to appeal customers, where Apple has zero obligation to do so.
 
Exactly. Microsoft will support my (Intel) Mac's longer than Apple themselves lol.
I've got macOS 12 running on my older 2015 MBP along with Windows 11 in Bootcamp. That's a 6 year old machine that looks like it'll keep getting updates for at least another year. There's some recent Surface Pro machines that won't see Win11 at all.
 
Why doesn't Microsoft just sell their own containerized version of Windows 11 that will run on a Mac?

You double-click the icon... and a virtualized *legal* copy of Windows 11 runs in a self-contained environment.

Microsoft could sell it for $100 to those who really need it. And Microsoft would control the experience.

Why are 3rd-parties like Parallels responsible for making this work?
Let's be real. They would sell it for $200, but they would likely put it in the App store.

Thing is, they don't have to make it themselves, and yet they still get paid for each license. Plus, every time Apple or Microsoft comes out with an update Microsoft gets tons of free press when reports that "Windows now runs on the new Apple [Blank]!" come out.
 
i Was able to get and run new MacOS releases on my 2012 iMac until MacOS Big Sur in 2020. That was almost 8 years and it is still running Catalina, which is still supported by Apple with security update releases.

Current Mac computer processors are 2-3 times faster than my 2012 iMac i7. Internal SSDs are 5-6 times faster. Thunderbolt 3 is 4 times as fast as the TB 1 that shipped with my 2012 iMac. Even wireless protocols for WiFi and Bluetooth are significantly faster now than then. As long-in-the-tooth my 2012 iMac is, it still runs Catalina quite well and my User experience with it is really not noticeably different than my brand new M1 MacBook for my use cases.

I Was able to get and run new MacOS releases on my 2012 iMac until MacOS Big Sur in 2020. That was almost 8 years and it is still running Catalina, which is still supported by Apple with security update releases. Current Mac computer processors are 2-3 times faster than my 2012 iMac and the internal SSDs are 5-6 times faster. Thunderbolt 3 is 4 times as fast now too. Even wireless protocols for WiFi and Bluetooth are significantly faster. As long-in-the-tooth my 2012 iMac is, it still runs Catalina and my User experience with it is really not noticeably different than my brand new M1 MacBook for my use cases.

Why haven’t I upgraded? I’m waiting for the M2 iMac to be released, assuming I don’t just settle for a 2021 M1X MBPro that dock with multiple monitors for home use.
I'm the same here - my Mac is a 2009 Mac Pro (heavily upgraded). Although I know it's possible to run Big Sur on it, I've not bothered to update it because I don't want to run the risk of accidentally clicking update and then having to dig out a recovery usb to fix it. Maybe not an issue but in my days of hackintoshing that could often happen, admittedly usually due to the Nvidia driver and I'm now using ATI cards but still, I need my Mac to work reliably so I'm not taking any chances. I'm hoping for an M2 or M2X machine too. Maybe a new Mac Pro when they finally come out or maybe an iMac Pro or Mac Mini Pro or something. I'd like a *lot* more RAM than they currently offer on the M1 machines though - I'm currently at 85gb of 96gb used. Roughly 30gb is by two VMs though, so 64GB would likely be more than enough.
 
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