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It is a mess isn’t it? Like Windows 10 has the old control panel from Win 7, the “we’re also a tablet” settings from Win 8 and a whole new layer of settings for Win 10. It’s like all you have to do is keep scratching the surface to find the stuff that worked 12 years ago.

I’ll give MS the benefit of the doubt that it’s been cleaned up in Win 11 but the strategy for it seems to be more in-line with competing with Chromebooks then fixing Windows problems.

Exactly this - you can still access device manager that looks exactly the same as it did in Windows 95. There's such a strange amount of legacy code in there.

There's also no design ethos in Windows in the same way there is for macOS with third party apps. Nothing will look like the the new menu bar and handful of new windows does in Windows 11 because they don't offer the tools to do that easily like Apple, so nothing looks natively and all that stuff that is just built with text usage and databases still looks like i'ts from Windows 3.11!!
 
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Win 11 (ARM 64) is running nicely on my M1 Macs in Parallels 16. Have to say, I’ve not really spent a lot of time with it yet. But superficially it looks quite nice so far.
 
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If Win11 can be emulated on M1 Macs, I'll definitely get Parallels. I've been struggling with a lot of work-arounds since I got my M1. It'd be nice to have emulation again.
 
We're I in MS's shoes I'd be noticing the writing is on the wall for Intel. With the rising power and usage of ARM based mobile devices and Apple's switch to ARM for it's PCs I'd be targeting the ARM version of windows for boot camp on M1 Macs rather than supporting a market that will be dwindling.
 
Will this run windows on macs with an intel processor below gen 8 processors, I heard Microsoft is looking into bringing support for gen 7 processors, I saw a video that they technically support as far back as gen 6 processors.
 
Microsoft copies Apple. Mac OS X (10.x) is basically at version 10 for two decades. Microsoft says that Windows 10 is the last version. MacOS 11 comes out then a year later Microsoft comes out with Windows 11.
 
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The difference is Windows can run on some pretty old hardware. Apple, on the other hand, gives users of older Apple stuff the big middle finger and says "F you" after 5-6 years.
That is true. The irony is, that you can run the newest Windows 10 version on a 10 years old Mac, but you cannot run officially the newest version of macOS.

(yes, there are hacks, like the dosdudes patches, but officially, there is no support from Apple).
 
Will this run windows on macs with an intel processor below gen 8 processors, I heard Microsoft is looking into bringing support for gen 7 processors, I saw a video that they technically support as far back as gen 6 processors.
If it's anything like the transition to Windows 10 via Bootcamp, Yes. But not from a Clean Install in the Mac's BootCamp app. You'd need to run thru a Windows 10 install first in BootCamp and THEN upgrade to Windows 11. At least until probably macOS 12 is released with some "official" BootCamp support.
 
Microsoft would probably find itself defending against charges of anti-competitive behaviour before they'd even got the product to market. Too much hurt - let someone else do the VM development/support, still benefit from all the additional Windows license fees.
How would competing in a market be anti-competitive?
 
Do you know what the problem with Windows is?
They do not know who to be.

....

I like the new interface but in two clicks I know I am going to face the old applications with the same lack of user experience. There is where Macs run on top of them.
Uh huh... gaming on the PC is such a HORRIBLE experience:
1. Boot PC and wait maybe a minute as it starts up
2. Open steam
3. Launch game
4. Enjoy game
5. Laugh with friends
6. Sign off

Gaming on Mac:
1. Boot Mac and maybe wait a minute as it starts up
2. Open steam
3. Try to search for same game
4. Cry because game does not exist on mac
5. Lurk on MacRumors and diss PC because of "bad user experience"
6. Sign off
 
So they’re going to violate the windows 11 eula too?

the windows 10 one clearly states you can only install if the license was sold with the machine. Did win 11 change?

Depends on the license. I have a perfectly legal licensed copy that I bought years ago as a standalone OS and kept upgrading via MS. Not every copy of Windows is an OEM.

It happened slower than I expected...a whole 8 minutes after the original post. Sigh...

What did you expect? It's Windows...

Hopefully Windows 11 will be available and compatible with VMWare and Parallels. I imagine that for the vast majority of users of Windows VMs on the Mac are only using it for the odd app here or there and just needs something that works rather than blistering performance. I for one use a Windows only app almost every day but it doesn't require any kind of real power so any reasonable x86 emulation that might be baked into Windows 11 arm will likely be more than sufficient. If I needed more power, I'd use a dedicated physical Windows machine.

Same hear. I only use it to check compatibility with the Office, MS Project and Visio.

I won’t go to m1 until they have bootcamp

I doubt that will happen, if ever, until MS releases an ARM version that can be bought as a standalone product.

Why doesn't Microsoft just sell their own containerized version of Windows 11 that will run on a Mac?

You double-click the icon... and a virtualized *legal* copy of Windows 11 runs in a self-contained environment.

Microsoft could sell it for $100 to those who really need it. And Microsoft would control the experience.

Why are 3rd-parties like Parallels responsible for making this work?

MS no doubt doesn't want the headaches of maintaining compatibility with each OS release for what would be a low ROI product.

Let's be real. They would sell it for $200, but they would likely put it in the App store.

Thing is, they don't have to make it themselves, and yet they still get paid for each license. Plus, every time Apple or Microsoft comes out with an update Microsoft gets tons of free press when reports that "Windows now runs on the new Apple [Blank]!" come out.

or "Windows no longer runs on ...." if Apple's release breaks something.

On install, the EULA says it can only be installed on equipment it originally was sold with.

That means that installing it, violates the EULA. That means that when parallels themselves installed it to develop support they violated the EULA. They are also encouraging users to violate it.

This is the sole reason that Fusion doesn't have support yet. VMWare respects license agreements. Parallels doesn't. I don't want to support a company that violates IP rights.

How do you know Parallels doesn't have an agreement with MS? They could have an OEM or development agreement with MS. Or are upgrading non-OEM licenses?

MS had, for years, had a subscription based service that gave developers licenses to all most all of their products, including OS's. getting legitimate access to an OS without buying a computer is not that unusual. If it was, DIY rigs would not be possible. Yes, I realize a lot of DIY's pirate licenses but some of us actually buy one; and since MS has pretty much kept upgrading Windows for free I am on the latest version with a non-OEM license.
 
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The popular software for virtualizing Windows on macOS, Parallels Desktop, has confirmed that support for the newly announced Windows 11 is in the works for Mac computers.

Windows-11-Parallels-Feature.jpg

Last week, Microsoft unveiled Windows 11, the next major version of the Windows operating system. Obviously, Windows 11 won't be supported on Mac computers, but as is normal, some Mac users run virtualized desktops on their Mac with Windows.

As reported by iMore, Parallels has confirmed that it is waiting to dig into Windows 11, once all of its features, such as Teams integration and Android apps, are released and part of the Windows 11 Preview build before they starting working on Mac compatibility. As per the report:
No specifics were given, but Parallels did say that it "will surely do everything that's possible to make it happen." On Intel-based Mac computers, users can natively run Windows using Boot Camp, as well as through virtualization. However, running Windows natively through Boot Camp is no longer possible on all Apple silicon Macs, leaving virtualization to be the only option.

Article Link: Windows 11 for Mac in the Works, Says Parallels Desktop
Great. Now maybe someday they'll support Big Sur as a guest OS on an M1 machine. Currently, when you try to run Big Sur as a guest, it says "intel-based OSs are not supported on M1 hosts."
 
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Yea, screw Parallels for life for all of their past customer-hostile practices. I'm never giving those guys a penny ever again.
Could you please elaborate? I've been a paying Parallels customer since v5 (current is v16.5) and although the actual price can be debated, I've had nothing but good things come from being able to run Windows on my Macs.
 
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Apple is working on Bootcamp 2.0 with support for iPad Pro and Mac with Apple Silicon.. iPad Pro will also support Mac OS with Bootcamp 2.0.. you heard it here first :) from a source on the inside
 
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