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Windows 7 is a threat to Apple's market share
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Well except the Windows Jehovas are out in more force than usual now that the previous cycle was a bit of a downer.
hahaha, I see your point. In a few years from now ppl will be calling Vista the new WindowsME. I see another trend
The problem I have is that very few of the Windows Jehovas (lol that's funny)
do a very good job of articulating just why I'm supposed to be impressed with Win 7.
Speed and stability are "supposed" to be there.
What I'm looking for in an OS is a way to cut down the steps needed for me to complete tasks. I'm looking for efficiency.
Let's face it
Neither the Dock nor the Windows Taskbar were all that good in previous OS generations for OS X and Windows respectively. They are now getting better but I'm not gonna brag about overdue UI changes.
The platform that gets my money is the one that lets me eschew the file folder hierarchy and applies some smarts to the way I collect, manipulate and manage my data.
I haven't seem much in Win 7 that piques my interest in that arena and OS X seems to be heading down the right path.
I find it odd that your playing formats like that and treating it like its wmv files? Is your intention just plain old playback?
I use that format for DVD authoring but thats almost the way of the Dodo at my work. Ive been authoring BD's and havent looked back
Marketshare isn't profit like you said.
Just release the same iMac again but drop the 2.8 GHz model where the current 2.66 GHz model is. Problem solved.
Windows 7 does look very promising. I have been a mac user since system 6 and I am not about to change. But I do think Windows 7 is going to be a big hit. Apple needs to do something I think snow leopard is not the answer. Their hardware is getting too expensive and they love to lock you in tho the Apple way. Just look at the 09 MacPro with it mini display port adapter. Not to mention the lack of a middle of the road desktop. You can only chose a Imac(laptop hardware) or a MacPro(high end server hardware).
To me it looks like all of Apples focus and innovation is going into there phones.
Maybe I be running Windows 8.
To me it looks like all of Apples focus and innovation is going into there phones.
Maybe I be running Windows 8.
Windows 7 does look very promising. I have been a mac user since system 6 and I am not about to change. But I do think Windows 7 is going to be a big hit. Apple needs to do something I think snow leopard is not the answer. Their hardware is getting too expensive and they love to lock you in tho the Apple way. Just look at the 09 MacPro with it mini display port adapter. Not to mention the lack of a middle of the road desktop. You can only chose a Imac(laptop hardware) or a MacPro(high end server hardware).
To me it looks like all of Apples focus and innovation is going into there phones.
Maybe I be running Windows 8.
What exactly is so hot in Windows 7 and what's not in Snow Leopard?
It's not like Vista. Cause that was, like, really awful and stuff.
Well, it runs Windows apps. Because it's like Vista.
His point was that it wasn't all about what wasn't hot in Snow Leopard, but:
So, in other words: SL won't make up for those short comings.
I can add a few:
Glossy screens, lack of and/or nonfunctioning firewire, nonfunctioning Expresscard slot with FW adaptor under OSX (could be fixed in SL, though), Tie-downs of the consumer, becoming a toy company, old tech (no, a "multitouch" tennis-elbow inducing touchpad doesn't count), and last but far from least: Fast dwindling QC to the point of non-existant.
Oh, yeah, i forgot, you can get 64bit CS4 for it. YAY!
His point was that it wasn't all about what wasn't hot in Snow Leopard, but:
So, in other words: SL won't make up for those short comings.
I can add a few:
Glossy screens, lack of and/or nonfunctioning firewire, nonfunctioning Expresscard slot with FW adaptor under OSX (could be fixed in SL, though), Tie-downs of the consumer, becoming a toy company, old tech (no, a "multitouch" tennis-elbow inducing touchpad doesn't count), and last but far from least: Fast dwindling QC to the point of non-existant.
Oh, yeah, i forgot, you can get 64bit CS4 for it. YAY!
"Apple needs to do something I think snow leopard is not the answer".
That's a pretty loaded statement. One that invites a simple question as to what he feels about Snow Leopard.
Frankly the hardware can change on a dime. It's software that defines a computing platform. Snow Leopard is going to be
a nice step forward in evolution.
64-bit from the kernel up
New UI (hopefully unfied)
GPGPU processing via OpenCL
Task management with Grand Central Dispatch
and a plethora of small fixes that will improve a system that is already quite polished. Hardware is always years ahead of software.
It's the software that I look to advance that will affect the largest change.
When I said Snow Leopard is not the answer I was not saying it was not good. It is not enough. We are probably going to be paying $129 for a OS with not alot of new features. Sounds to me like we should get this update for free. People slam Microsoft for being a monopoly and they are But Apple is no better and in someways they are worse. If you want ther OS you must play by their rules.
As it have been said there is no perfect OS. I like OS X and prefer it overs windows but I think Apples hardware is not first class like it used to be. I would love to use OS X on a machine that I can build my self.
As it have been said there is no perfect OS. I like OS X and prefer it overs windows but I think Apples hardware is not first class like it used to be. I would love to use OS X on a machine that I can build my self.
Marketshare isn't profit like you said.
Just release the same iMac again but drop the 2.8 GHz model where the current 2.66 GHz model is. Problem solved.
I never said anything about profit.
I never said anything about profit.
I think he read it as you saying they won't lose anything [any profit], where you said: their market share might slow down, but they won't lose anything [any market share].
Oh I didn't get the sense that you were. I too have championed Snow Leopard as being an OS update that should come at nominal cost after all speed and optimization is what Apple should be doing in the first place.
Apple is worse in the lockin factor though they don't force you to go through something like Windows Genuine Advantage either so in a way the premium you pay on the hardware gives you a pass in some areas (like iWork not being serialized either)
The thing is Microsoft simply "must" improve their software. They've really had one transition and that was major and that was moving developers to .net. They've been X86 the whole way.
Apple's had to manage a transition from System 7, 8 and 9 codebase to an entirely new one with new frameworks. And then they had to migrate to X86 and patch the old framework into Carbon.
Carbon's dead so I expect that Apple has more engineering power now to move forward with Cocoa as the top dog. I think there's still a lot of innovation in Apple and now they aren't developing with a two headed framework approach I expect more stability and rapid development of features.
All in all it's good for us all and Apple does have to get their hardware up to spec. There is such a thing as too thin even in computing.
You'd think that a debt-free multi-billion dollar company with twenty billion dollars in cash would be able to have the "engineering power" necessary no matter what. I doubt that it was a lack of engineering power that kept Apple from moving, say, Finder to cocoa.
Hell, they kept a secret x86 version of the entire OS while selling us the PPC-version. Even before they had all that money in the bank. It should have been doable all along.
Personally I like Windows XP and will continue to use it.
Vista = WindowsME
I am looking forward to Windows 7, but do not see it as hurting the Mac OS market share.
I would also say that hardware in general is becoming less reliable and quality built than before. Companies are cutting everywhere they can to be competitive.
To put it another way, let's say a good reliable high end desktop computer was $5,000 fifteen years ago. Today that same computer would cost almost $10,000. Yet, we would pay $1-2,000 for it. Something has to give.
Vista = WindowsME
I am looking forward to Windows 7, but do not see it as hurting the Mac OS market share.
For me, it is effectiveness. A computer is a tool. I want to use the best tool for the job.
IMHO, part of this has to do with the switch from the PPC to the Intel platform. With the PPC platform, Apple was completing with itself. They controlled the release timeframe. Now they are on line with box makers like HP, Dell, etc. They must update models more frequently to stay competitive.
I would also say that hardware in general is becoming less reliable and quality built than before. Companies are cutting everywhere they can to be competitive.
To put it another way, let's say a good reliable high end desktop computer was $5,000 fifteen years ago. Today that same computer would cost almost $10,000. Yet, we would pay $1-2,000 for it. Something has to give.
No it wouldn't. Why do you think that? Prices have come down, not because of what you're suggesting: Because the quality had to come down because we wouldn't buy something so expensive. They have come down because of benefits of mass production. And the lack of quality can only be prescribed to lack of QC. If your argument was to be trusted, every technology would see a sharp fall in quality the moment it becomes widespread. A) it was expensive to begin with. B) People won't pay that much C) Thus the quality will suffer.
That's simply not how things works. Take a look at something as simple as SSDs. They are coming down in price. Fast. Not because the quality is falling (it actually seems to be rising), but because the yields are higher, they're producing more, thus gaining more benefits.
I find it odd that your playing formats like that and treating it like its wmv files? Is your intention just plain old playback?
I use that format for DVD authoring but thats almost the way of the Dodo at my work. Ive been authoring BD's and havent looked back
I don't understand your post. Who is treating m2ts files as wmv?
Anyway, the video playback issue was just one example where I wasn't satisfied with Mac OS X. It is not because the OS, but the fact is that there is nothing on Leopard that plays big Full HD m2ts files smoothly. Nothing at all.
MPlayer? You have to be kidding me...
I have tried everything that exists on Mac OS X for m2ts FullHD playback. Nothing comes close to the performance and experience I get on the Windows programs. Sorry. That is a fact.
That has nothing to do with the OS but the fact is that when using Mac OS X I dont have choices. I dont want to convert everything to 720p mp4 so that Quicktime can play them.
I have a FullHD camera and I use Premiere to edit my videos and then encode them as m2ts files. On the Mac I had to also convert them to mp4 just to make them playable. I have a PS3 and play the m2ts files there. Now, I don't need to do that since Windows plays the m2ts files very good. The picture quality is also a big difference when playing these files. On the Mac they look interlaced and on Windows they look exactly like on my FullHD TV.
I do not want to focus the discussion on Video playback. That is not the main reason for me switching back to Windows.
I believe apple will have tested windows 7. And they will know that it is a good -ish OS. So i think that they will bring out an amazing, feature in snow leopard.
They need to get ahead again like they did with Mac OS X.
I think it will be something we wont have even dreamed
They need to get ahead again like they did with Mac OS X.
I think it will be something we wont have even dreamed
A Microsoft MVP using a Mac? Isn't that like an iPhone developer who uses a Zune and and Android phone?
I can understand how having a windows version that sucks less than the last(finally) might actually pull someone back into the fold... especially since their whole lively hood is based on shilling for MS. Hardly representative of your average switcher though.
I can understand how having a windows version that sucks less than the last(finally) might actually pull someone back into the fold... especially since their whole lively hood is based on shilling for MS. Hardly representative of your average switcher though.
Hi
I have a 2.33GHz merom 17inch MBP, 3GB RAM, 320GB HD 7200 RPM.
720p videos play fine but 1080p always stutter for me in both quicktime and vlc. I recently downloaded xbmc and plex, and they play said videos perfectly but take a lot of CPU. i don't find either program user friendly like QT and VLC.
Also xbmc/plex both start eating up ram when I play 1080p till I have only 80MB free, then the video starts to stutter and get out of sync. plex recovers from the stuttering but xbmc has to be closed and restarted.
I Agree windows is 10 times better at video playback (they have had hardware decoding H.264 for ages).
I haven't used windows in over a year, but video editing was a lot faster in sony vegas as far as I can remember. imovie sometimes hangs and crashes on occasion. final cut is just too slow for HD vids on my MBP. But I'm sticking with imovie and the rest of the suite, because it is so easy to use.
Windows 7 just seems a lot faster than leopard and better at ram management, it maybe cause I have so many apps open at the same, i dont know.
I have a 2.33GHz merom 17inch MBP, 3GB RAM, 320GB HD 7200 RPM.
720p videos play fine but 1080p always stutter for me in both quicktime and vlc. I recently downloaded xbmc and plex, and they play said videos perfectly but take a lot of CPU. i don't find either program user friendly like QT and VLC.
Also xbmc/plex both start eating up ram when I play 1080p till I have only 80MB free, then the video starts to stutter and get out of sync. plex recovers from the stuttering but xbmc has to be closed and restarted.
I Agree windows is 10 times better at video playback (they have had hardware decoding H.264 for ages).
I haven't used windows in over a year, but video editing was a lot faster in sony vegas as far as I can remember. imovie sometimes hangs and crashes on occasion. final cut is just too slow for HD vids on my MBP. But I'm sticking with imovie and the rest of the suite, because it is so easy to use.
Windows 7 just seems a lot faster than leopard and better at ram management, it maybe cause I have so many apps open at the same, i dont know.