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Windows Virtualization on Intel Macs
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anyone try installing the bootcamp drivers yet into parallels?
the installer crashes at the "GetModelInfo" so obviously it doesn't like parallel's bios... im going to extract the drivers from my bootcamp install on iMac. I don't think there should be an issue since VT is inuse..
the installer crashes at the "GetModelInfo" so obviously it doesn't like parallel's bios... im going to extract the drivers from my bootcamp install on iMac. I don't think there should be an issue since VT is inuse..
Holy ***** Batman
Dude, I don't know who to applaud you or the folks at parallels.
That's in one word, simply amazing.
For those of us who must use an app or two in windows, these are heady times. Since I have a mini solo, I'm going to have to use Boot Camp. But for anyone using the other mac intel machines, this is very impressive.
Where is this going? Initially I know it should help sales with a certain segment but I'm not so sure corporate will buy into it. It may be more of the case where individuals justify the purchase and overcome objections.
It would be great to understand better what the roadmap is from Apple's perspective. Steve Jobs is one heady risk taker.
LosJackal said:
Dude, I don't know who to applaud you or the folks at parallels.
That's in one word, simply amazing.
For those of us who must use an app or two in windows, these are heady times. Since I have a mini solo, I'm going to have to use Boot Camp. But for anyone using the other mac intel machines, this is very impressive.
Where is this going? Initially I know it should help sales with a certain segment but I'm not so sure corporate will buy into it. It may be more of the case where individuals justify the purchase and overcome objections.
It would be great to understand better what the roadmap is from Apple's perspective. Steve Jobs is one heady risk taker.
LosJackal said:
Not much slower.
They're not "emulating VT in software".
They're doing software virtualization. This is the way every desktop virtualization product up to now - things like VMware Workstation and Virtual PC for Windows - has done it. And it's still *very* fast. The x86 calls are still getting passed as directly as possible to the software.
VT simply allows this to be done a lot more effectively and efficiently, and directly to hardware (among other things).
Parallels is the first desktop virtual machine product to even support VT. It's by no means slow on the Intel Mac mini.
Fortunately, anyone with an Intel Mac mini can just download it and see for themselves.
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mrplow said:
Um, dude, that won't work. Like, at all. The only hardware Parallels presents directly to Windows is the CPU. None of the Boot Camp drivers will work. As far as an OS running inside of Parallels is concerned, it doesn't even see the Mac hardware.
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Dave Schroeder
University of Wisconsin - Madison
das@doit.wisc.edu
http://das.doit.wisc.edu
This answers my "No Outlook on the Mac" problem. As soon as Apple as a second button to the MacBook Pro, I am picking one up.
THIS IS A GREAT DAY FOR THE COMPUTER WORLD.
THIS IS A GREAT DAY FOR THE COMPUTER WORLD.
Sharkus said:
You sir are a masochist, will you try MS-DOS next?
I do have a question for everyone, I have an old copy of XP, can someone link to easy setup page or simple directions to burn an SP2 disc. Thanks.
The speed of XP on the prodedgy video is awesome! I can't surf that fast in Safari on my Powerbook....
If I actually needed any Windows software, I'd be all over a new Mac. It's nice to know that this will be standard by the time I'm buying a new one.
Cheers.
If I actually needed any Windows software, I'd be all over a new Mac. It's nice to know that this will be standard by the time I'm buying a new one.
Cheers.
Great first starts - although I don't intend to replace my current iMac for several more years, it looks like Leopard and 10.6 may be making real leaps regarding running Windows on an Apple (in however form is most convenient for folks).
Although I don't run Windows at all, I've worked with plenty of clients who do - it would be great to have a portable capable of running both OS X and Windows concurrently. I see a nice future-revision MBP in my future running Leopard...
What fun - Apple stock seems to be bouncing well, too: http://quote.morningstar.com/Quote.html?Ticker=AAPL
Although I don't run Windows at all, I've worked with plenty of clients who do - it would be great to have a portable capable of running both OS X and Windows concurrently. I see a nice future-revision MBP in my future running Leopard...
What fun - Apple stock seems to be bouncing well, too: http://quote.morningstar.com/Quote.html?Ticker=AAPL
mrplow said:
It doesn't have direct access to the hardware. The only hardware it sees in any capacity directly (on VT machines) is the CPU.
it works
Well,
I was patient. I downloaded the software, registered.
It's exceptional. It works. It has bugs. It needs beta testers.
but....
It's the solution we've been looking for. No more virtual pc.
By the way....
It also supports Win98 (which is much faster, requires less memory and disk space). If you are trying to run outlook or just a few pc programs, look into Win98 instead of the feature-heavy XP.
Congrats to parallel and those Russian programmers!!!
- Janet
Well,
I was patient. I downloaded the software, registered.
It's exceptional. It works. It has bugs. It needs beta testers.
but....
It's the solution we've been looking for. No more virtual pc.
By the way....
It also supports Win98 (which is much faster, requires less memory and disk space). If you are trying to run outlook or just a few pc programs, look into Win98 instead of the feature-heavy XP.
Congrats to parallel and those Russian programmers!!!
- Janet
milo said:
Yes, the Mac mini Core Duo is definitely supported, but doesn't have VT support because it is disabled in the firmware on the Mac mini.
I'm glad that the software world is taking on the task of producing a good virtualization solution as it seems that there is more than enough demand for it, but to say that virtualization is "better" than the dual boot option made possible with yesterday's release. I suppose I'm in the minority, but examination software available only for Windows seems to plague my life, and the varying entities responsible for administering the tests I have to take (including the Bar Exam) specifically prohibit virtualization software. I don't know how widespread this is around the country's higher educational facilities, but it would seem that Apple is retaking its prior place within the educational market.
I think one compliments the other, they both have their uses.
I think one compliments the other, they both have their uses.
Emulation is not the Answer
Oh my God, Dell just got into the game and released a new computer which can run Windows and play games too!
Check it out:
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/gaming_xpsdt?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
Only joking! But come on now. I just read 8 pages of posts. For starters, the only reason Apple released Boot Camp (a great name by the way) was because people wanted it! They didn't have to, but they did. My hats off to them for listening to their customers.
But people, please remember, emulation is not the answer! Native applications is the only true solution!
All adopting and accepting emulation programs with near native Window speeds will do is encourage developers to stop porting and writing code for the Mac and dedicate even more resources to Windows.
FYI, I've been using emulation since the SoftPC days and finally last month I was finally able to stop (when my company finally upgraded our Exchange Server). Sure I still launch VPC, to check some code, but it's no longer running all day. And it's so nice!
Oh my God, Dell just got into the game and released a new computer which can run Windows and play games too!
Check it out:
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/gaming_xpsdt?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
Only joking! But come on now. I just read 8 pages of posts. For starters, the only reason Apple released Boot Camp (a great name by the way) was because people wanted it! They didn't have to, but they did. My hats off to them for listening to their customers.
But people, please remember, emulation is not the answer! Native applications is the only true solution!
All adopting and accepting emulation programs with near native Window speeds will do is encourage developers to stop porting and writing code for the Mac and dedicate even more resources to Windows.
FYI, I've been using emulation since the SoftPC days and finally last month I was finally able to stop (when my company finally upgraded our Exchange Server). Sure I still launch VPC, to check some code, but it's no longer running all day. And it's so nice!
