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Windows Virtualization on Intel Macs
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JGowan said:
I think that for Apple , the concept of supporting many OSs on the PCMac would be a nightmare. By supporting only a limited number of Windows Versions, they may be able to gain some favours from Billy Gates, and at the same time gain market share.
As an OS/2 guy until 2001, This does not leave me with warm and fuzzys.
As for the virtualization..... The Windows running in a window will be nearly as fast as a native running version. However, since the video calls are made to a generic SVGA driver as setup in the Parallels environment, 3D games are clearly out.
For most of us doing business related work on our machines, this is not an issue. For game time, however, we need to reboot.
The solution may be BOOT CAMP and PARRALLELS.
Max.
Minis Get Software Virtualization That Is Almost As Fast AS Hardware
Minis are supported by Parallels. Minis Get Software Virtualization That Is Almost As Fast AS Hardware.mattham said:
Different solutions
I've been a reader / member for quiet a while now but I post very little. When I saw earlier this week that Parallels was going to come out with this solution, I got so excited I checked their website very 2-3hrs or so.
I have a lot of experience with VMWare, VM (mainframe technology from IBM) VM/VSE, LPAR, DLPAR, and different other forms of virtualisation.
I downloaded the Bootcamp solution but decided not to install for 3 reasons:
I'm running on a production machine and the resizing of a disk (OS X home drive) scares me.
Secondly, I could screw up under OS X since OS X can read the file system (or write in case of a FAT file system)
I don't know about some of the viruses under windows and if they would be able to corrupt another file system.
The Parallels solution is not so bad for me. It gives me a virtual environment where I can create different sandboxes that all run near native speeds. I created a clean install XP PRO SP2 with firewall and anti-virus sw. All I need to do now is to copy that "file" to have a clean install that I can screw up evry now and then.
I truly believe this Parallels virtualisation software has a lot of merit.
I still have to try out 2 things:
Can I start a virtual machine / harddrive created with VMWare?
Can I install OS X under Parallels ?
My 2c
artifex said:
I've been a reader / member for quiet a while now but I post very little. When I saw earlier this week that Parallels was going to come out with this solution, I got so excited I checked their website very 2-3hrs or so.
I have a lot of experience with VMWare, VM (mainframe technology from IBM) VM/VSE, LPAR, DLPAR, and different other forms of virtualisation.
I downloaded the Bootcamp solution but decided not to install for 3 reasons:
I'm running on a production machine and the resizing of a disk (OS X home drive) scares me.
Secondly, I could screw up under OS X since OS X can read the file system (or write in case of a FAT file system)
I don't know about some of the viruses under windows and if they would be able to corrupt another file system.
The Parallels solution is not so bad for me. It gives me a virtual environment where I can create different sandboxes that all run near native speeds. I created a clean install XP PRO SP2 with firewall and anti-virus sw. All I need to do now is to copy that "file" to have a clean install that I can screw up evry now and then.
I truly believe this Parallels virtualisation software has a lot of merit.
I still have to try out 2 things:
Can I start a virtual machine / harddrive created with VMWare?
Can I install OS X under Parallels ?
My 2c
artifex said:
Just FYI, I have no relationship whatsoever to Parallels, as my sig and affiliations should clearly show.
Try it. It's *that* good. When you can see for yourself how the performance is, you'll be "astroturfing" too.
(And for the record, anyone saying Boot Camp is "dangerous" doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. I didn't respond to any of them because I thought most people wouldn't even pay attention to them...)
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Dave Schroeder
University of Wisconsin - Madison
das@doit.wisc.edu
http://das.doit.wisc.edu
Minis Get Software Virtualization That Is Almost As Fast AS Hardware
The Mini is included Alden. Minis Get Software Virtualization That Is Almost As Fast AS Hardware V.AidenShaw said:
This is great news, and Linux too!
Now I can finally get that new Mac, well as soon as they come out with the 13" (in June......).
I guess this was the great Apple release for April.
Now we need to wait until May for something new.
Now I can finally get that new Mac, well as soon as they come out with the 13" (in June......).
I guess this was the great Apple release for April.
Now we need to wait until May for something new.
artifex said:
Well I'm an established member who has installed it, errr, my assistant did and we've been marvelling it not sure what to try. Sadly we're also trying to work (gets in the way). Boot camp is on one lab machine and the other is running Virtualization and they're both running xpee. How well? We don't know yet.. but they both seem work for what it's worth.
Multimedia said:But won't drivers for those be right around the corner?
No. Virtualization makes direct access to hardware impossible. That doesn't mean that 3D acceleration etc. is out of the question--there are several ways to approach the problem--but don't expect anything "right around the corner."
--Eric
woah, this is the real deal ( finally )...
...let's have leopard deliver virtualization feats and play catch up
...let's have leopard deliver virtualization feats and play catch up
skochan said:
According the Parallels forums its a known issue. To get around it.
1. Quit Parallels if its running
2. Insert the disc into the drvei
3. Start Parallels
artifex said:
I'm not sure why you think this. In essence what Parallels does is nothing amazing, its just the first time we've seen this sort of virtualization technology on the Mac.
Of course the main reason for this is because no other operating system of note ran on under PPC, so software like this was of no real use before.
Around 5-6 years ago I was using VMware to do exactly what Parallels does now on a Linux machine. The project I worked on used entirely Linux, but our documentation had to be done in Word, so I ran Win98SE under VMWare. It worked great then, and I'm sure Parallels works great now.
At least for running desktop apps, games are really out of the question.
Cinematographer said:<Re: running OSX on a PC> It is impossible. It has been tried before, but you don't get a stable system. More crashes than Windows 3.1
It is not impossible. I've been running 10.4.3 and 10.4.5 on a Gateway for months. It's pretty stable, the worst thing I can say is I have an nVidia card which isn't supported, the MacVidia project drivers for it aren't so great.
Now, this is not officially supported by Apple (yet) but the technology is there. All Apple has to do is remove the TPM code, and possibly include an SSE2->SSE3 emulator. The hackers are already doing this.
Some Parallels features I'd like to see...
Since Vmware has opened up their spec for their hard disk format (http://www.vmware.com/news/releases/vmdk.html), it would be nice to either include a conversion tool to the Parallels format or for Parallels to support the vmdk format natively. This way you could use an image on Linux, Windows, or Mac and it would work fine in all cases.
Another feature I would like to see (and it may already be possible) is for Parallels to use a native installation (i.e. BootCamp installed copy) of Windows so users could boot into native mode and get full Windows performance, or boot the same copy of Windows up via Parallels. This way you wouldn't have to maintain applications/updates/etc in a Virtual image as well as a native image. I realize there would be issues with differing drivers, but this should be fairly easy to work around.
IMHO, Having these two features added to Parallels would definately sell more copies.
Since Vmware has opened up their spec for their hard disk format (http://www.vmware.com/news/releases/vmdk.html), it would be nice to either include a conversion tool to the Parallels format or for Parallels to support the vmdk format natively. This way you could use an image on Linux, Windows, or Mac and it would work fine in all cases.
Another feature I would like to see (and it may already be possible) is for Parallels to use a native installation (i.e. BootCamp installed copy) of Windows so users could boot into native mode and get full Windows performance, or boot the same copy of Windows up via Parallels. This way you wouldn't have to maintain applications/updates/etc in a Virtual image as well as a native image. I realize there would be issues with differing drivers, but this should be fairly easy to work around.
IMHO, Having these two features added to Parallels would definately sell more copies.
daveschroeder said:
Thanks for the advice. I did actually get the CD/DVD ROM to be "ungrayed" after inserting a CD into the drive, so I assumed it worked. By the way, I did have to delete my VM file and start over for it to work. I must have gotten it into some weird state.
Great timming. As I type this, I have in another window a copy of VMWare Server running. I'm actually installing a few copies of Linux in VMs on a Linux machine. I need access to multiple Linux computers to support my software testing. The host OS is Linux too but now it need not be.
Next year I can envision a small virtual server farm running on a high-end quad core Intel Power Mac.
This has uses other then imply running Window-only games
Next year I can envision a small virtual server farm running on a high-end quad core Intel Power Mac.
This has uses other then imply running Window-only games
skochan said:
I just got DVD working... delete the CD Drive that's there (that Parallel's sets to an image) shut it off.. reload parallels.. insert XP cd (or any most likely) and then goto add DVD drive again.. click..click..save..Start. worked for me!
Did you download it using a Mac or Windows?Backtothemac said:
EDIT: This may seem like a silly question, but I just downloaded it using my windows laptop and transferred it to my Mac with a USB key, and it wouldn't mount. Downloading using Safari did work however.