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Windows Virtualization on Intel Macs

Does not have to be that way

ebow said:
Wouldn't it have to be, to get the keyboard and mouse to work?
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No, my machine right here ha USB KB/Mouse and the VMs it hosts don't have USB.

VM's don't have to work by sharing the physical hardware. The OS in the VM make a call to a driver to get a ketstoke from a keyboard and the VM gets the character from where ever it wants to get it, liky from the host OS's driver but possibly from a script or file, a second keyboard, internet connection.

Yes the last one is real. VMWare allows for remote control of a VM over the network
 
displaced said:
Any .NET developers out there with an MBP and Parallels?

I build Compact Framework apps in VS2005. From the descriptions of Parallels, and my previous experience with 'native' VM software (VMWare on PC), I'd imagine that Visual Studio itself will run absolutely fine.

But can anyone out there try to connect a PocketPC device (via USB cradle) and see if ActiveSync/Visual Studio detect and deploy to it correctly?

If so, then 'goodbye' to every single PC I own, and work can take their Dell back :)
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Raises Hand.

I'm curious too if this works similar to VM Ware. I would like to setup IIS/SQL Server 2000 and IIS/SQL Server 2005 and VS 2005 on seperate VMs. I would also like to access the websites from my Mac and push by graphics/flash files to the VMs.

The VM solution would work better for me as I would like multiple development environments with a master backup in case I trash the Windows Server.

I'm curious about PPC and SmartPhone app development also. I know with VM Ware you would have to tell the the VM about the USB port so it could recognize devices and mount external drives, I hope this does the same too.

This is so awesome!! I already told my boss to repurpose my Toshiba Laptop and need a MBP. I currently have an iMac at home and he said test it out first and get back to him. Woot!
 
wow, this is SO much better than boot-camp. I hate the idea of dual booting and being at the mercy of windows. This allows me to keep windows in a nice little cage, still at the control of OS X. Bravo! :D
 
This is great... First Boot camp by apple... and now this by Parrallel... this is what is going to happen next....

OS 10.5 will have the best of ALL worlds. We will have Native Dual Booting, and we will have the option to run Windows In a Window (within OS10.5) Fully hardware functional.

I cannot WAIT for 10.5
 
AidenShaw said:
Kind of a stretch to say "almost every" MacIntel, but then admit that the Mini isn't included.

At least the Parallels engineers seem to be honest, even if the marketing folks have a tendency towards dubious claims. (This isn't the only bit of hype on those pages.)
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Ok this pissed me off enuff to post .. I read this site constantly but never post.

Lets look at the number of models of intelMacs.

6 ( 7 if you count the 2.16 MacBook Pro as a seperate machine which I won't for this comparison)

Out of those 2 do not use the Intel VT-x setting

So 66.6667( yes I rounded off) DO have Intel Virtualization Technology
and 33.3334 ( again rounded off) do NOT have it


I belive that qualifies as " almost every"

or you coud make it MORE simple...

2models do ( iMAc and MacBook)
1 does not ( Mini)

that means 1 does not .. but all the others do? so almost every one eh?
 
rvillanu said:
Raises Hand.

I'm curious too if this works similar to VM Ware. I would like to setup IIS/SQL Server 2000 and IIS/SQL Server 2005 and VS 2005 on seperate VMs. I would also like to access the websites from my Mac and push by graphics/flash files to the VMs.

The VM solution would work better for me as I would like multiple development environments with a master backup in case I trash the Windows Server.

I'm curious about PPC and SmartPhone app development also. I know with VM Ware you would have to tell the the VM about the USB port so it could recognize devices and mount external drives, I hope this does the same too.

This is so awesome!! I already told my boss to repurpose my Toshiba Laptop and need a MBP. I currently have an iMac at home and he said test it out first and get back to him. Woot!
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USB devices are not supported in this version of the beta: http://forum.parallels.com/thread72.html
 
daveschroeder said:
Just FYI, I have no relationship whatsoever to Parallels, as my sig and affiliations should clearly show.

Try it. It's *that* good. When you can see for yourself how the performance is, you'll be "astroturfing" too.

(And for the record, anyone saying Boot Camp is "dangerous" doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. I didn't respond to any of them because I thought most people wouldn't even pay attention to them...)

---
Dave Schroeder
University of Wisconsin - Madison
das@doit.wisc.edu
http://das.doit.wisc.edu
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That's fine, Dave. How long have you been running it on your Mini? This is the first day I've heard of this product, but I guess you got up earlier than I did :) Oh, and unfortunately, I can't try either BC or this right now, as my current Mini is a G4. I'd like to see if the Intel Minis will take Meroms before buying a new one, or at least wait until mine's a year old :)
 
skochan said:
Thanks for the advice. I did actually get the CD/DVD ROM to be "ungrayed" after inserting a CD into the drive, so I assumed it worked. By the way, I did have to delete my VM file and start over for it to work. I must have gotten it into some weird state.
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Ah, ok.

Yeah, true CD/DVD support is a little shaky right now. If you still have troubles, you can use the ISO method.
 
gkhaldi said:
Can I start a virtual machine / harddrive created with VMWare?
Can I install OS X under Parallels ?
My 2c ;)
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I doubt you can start VMWare images, unless Parallels claims full compatibility with them. You certainly can try, though :)
I doubt you'll be able to install OSX under it without hacking, as it likely doesn't include an EFI emulator. You could probably do whatever people are doing when they install OSX on non-Macs. I don't think the legality would be in question, either, if you're doing it on your Mac :)
 
Photorun said:
Well I'm an established member who has installed it, errr, my assistant did and we've been marvelling it not sure what to try. Sadly we're also trying to work (gets in the way). Boot camp is on one lab machine and the other is running Virtualization and they're both running xpee. How well? We don't know yet.. but they both seem work for what it's worth.
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That's cool. A friend of mine just messaged me and said he's gotten a kernel panic already, on his MBP, right after (during? he was cut off) install. Still, it's a beta :)
 
Boot Camp

I'd rather go the Boot Camp route. Having to allocate your RAM is a ****** thing to have to do. I'd rather be running full steam in whichever OS I decide to boot up in.
 
SamJ said:
hmmm... great idea! i wonder how much of a ram hog this will be:confused:
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One of the nice things about these solutions is that you can assign 256 to Windows but in reality Parallels will grab what it really needs. Essentially the virtual memory windows requests is real memory but the emulator is taking care of that piece. I have 1 gig in MBP and no problems here running multiple apps simultaneously with Parallel xp machine.
 
How about some Benchmarks.
vamp07 said:
One of the nice things about these solutions is that you can assign 256 to Windows but in reality Parallels will grab what it really needs. Essentially the virtual memory windows requests is real memory but the emulator is taking care of that piece. I have 1 gig in MBP and no problems here running multiple apps simultaneously with Parallel xp machine.
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this is great

Let's say you really prefer Windows, but you think it's cooler to have a Mac. Now you have the perfect solution. The price of a Mac without having to deal with all of that weird Apple software. AWESOME!
 
paulchen said:
Please tell me that it is impossible to use os x on a windows pc. If not, good night apple.
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I feel that if you actually think this, then you don't really understand Mac users.

It isn't about the price. I have an extremely high end PC that was certainly less expensive than my G5, and even if I could run OS X on it, I'd still have an actual Apple for OS X. I don't know why, and I can't really explain it, but I'm sure enough other people here agree with me that Apple would certainly not be doomed.

...if anything this may encourage some Windows users to buy Macs even if they only intend on running Windows on it.
 
No one would do this. Believe it or not, there are some 'cool' looking Windows PCs. The Sony Vaio series are quite nice. (some of them)
guez said:
Let's say you really prefer Windows, but you think it's cooler to have a Mac. Now you have the perfect solution. The price of a Mac without having to deal with all of that weird Apple software. AWESOME!
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Boot Camp is free (and I'll be buying Leopard anyway I'm sure). But virtualization for $50? Once I have an Intel Mac and all options have gotten thorough reviews, that's a very tempting deal.

Virtualized Windows is more secure, and much, much easier to work with compared to booting Windows.

I COULD survive with Boot Camp because my occasional need for Windows is for testing I can do offline. But two OS's on one screen is just too cool :) (I'd never dare connect non-virtualized Windows to the Internet because I have zero desire to waste time and money defending Windows and becoming a Windows security expert.)

I'd like to see MS compete too, with a new VPC.
 
wow.. wow,


Just when I was thninking of buying Apple stock. It jumped 10 points... now I am not sure to wait.. or should I still buy. I think this is a great announcement and this should bring a lot of PC users in to the Mac.
 
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