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deputy_doofy said:
On what do you base this statement?

Don't worry too much about that post. It's a "1st post" for this user so there always is the possibility that this post was made to provoke some reactions. I'll change my opinion when I see supported constructive criticism from this new user.
 
budugu said:
.........I think once people get the prettier windows, most of the "casual" users will fail to see any reason to switch. Most of the people who buy macs (other than the hardcore mac guys) are people who just want a pretty system not because of any technical superiority (as if they understand and even better because they donot care)!!


you make a very good point here. os x could really suffer because of a nice design in the new windows. many people buy macs because they look nice (imacs where advertised mainly with their design. the specs alone aren't that superior anyway.).

the same is true for the look and feel of the os. if windows moves from ugly and user unfriendly to acceptable this will hurt apple.
 
Bear said:
This is neither a rumor, nor is it really Mac related.
The article was from MacWorld and was angled to show similarities between (Hasta la) Vista™ and Tiger...

So, even if saying it's a Mac related news or rumor is stretching it a bit, it has its place... ;)
 
You know, Microsoft kinda reminds me of politicians.

Every election you hear the same things: better health care, improved environment, more jobs! Well...does it ever really happen? No. Just all empty promises.

That's the same with Microsoft. How many times have we read on the back of Windows boxes that cry out: "more secure! faster! user enjoyable!" They seem to write the same crap over and over again and it all seems like bloated propaganda.

I'm not saying that Apple doesn't give its fair share of propaganda, but at least they come up with something different each release. 10.2 was speed and reliability. 10.3 was Exposé and iChat AV. 10.4 was dashboard and spotlight.

Microsoft: always the same talk. Half-empty promises
Apple: inventive, not always perfectly implemented, but inventive.
 
*cough*ripoff*cough*

Apple wasn't kidding with the "introducing longhorn" posters for Tiger. Can Microsoft actually come up with their own ideas for once.
 
emulator said:
At list the CUT function in the file system will work in Vista for sure. :)

Cut works fine in Finder -- it just does something different than you think. :p It cuts and pastes filenames. But yeah, I guess I could see that.

And *shrug* to be honest, I miss spring-loaded folders in Windows (which I still use) more than Cut and Paste in Finder.

OTOH, I suppose Vista will also let you burn MS CDRs from Explorer. Which is *my* biggest pet peeve about Finder. *does not buy any stuff about the Disk Utility approach being better*
 
As a switcher (my new iBook is on its way, still in manufacturing) Vista looks wonderful. I am a CS major in college and any improvements to the Windows OS are welcome with open arms. So what if it looks a lot like Tiger. I agree that Gates has stolen ideas from Jobs for years and will continue to do so. But I don't think it is wise of prudent to begin bashing an entire company just because it has a larger marketshare, and as such gets targeted more frequently. Use logic for a second, if Apple and Microsoft switched places, it would the Mac OS that is getting targeted by malicious hackers, not the other way around. I will agree that Windows has some very large gaping security holes, but I have never personally had a problem because I lways had my computer protected and locked down. So for me an easier to use Windows OS is awesome news. The way I look at it is I will have the best of both worlds on my Mactel Powerbook, when they come out, and be able to troubleshoot and work on either type for years to come. Bring on both OS 10.5 Leopard and Windows Vista, I want both of them!
 
mkrishnan said:
OTOH, I suppose Vista will also let you burn MS CDRs from Explorer. Which is *my* biggest pet peeve about Finder. *does not buy any stuff about the Disk Utility approach being better*

Umm....you can burn CDRs from the Finder... You just click on that radiation sphere thingy...
 
Sorry, I thought you meant Microsoft.

I was a little confused there I admit because I didn't know Microsoft started selling CDR... :eek:

Oh and to REALLY answer your question: Toast.
BAM! :p
 
mkrishnan said:
Cut works fine in Finder -- it just does something different than you think. :p It cuts and pastes filenames. But yeah, I guess I could see that.

And *shrug* to be honest, I miss spring-loaded folders in Windows (which I still use) more than Cut and Paste in Finder.

OTOH, I suppose Vista will also let you burn MS CDRs from Explorer. Which is *my* biggest pet peeve about Finder. *does not buy any stuff about the Disk Utility approach being better*

I agree. I really hate moving files from once place to another in Windows, but spring-loaded folders make it completely painless in Mac OS X. Spring loaded folders were important enough for me that I wouldn't use Mac OS X until 10.2 reintroduced that facility.

Hey, Microsoft! Why don't you clone that feature too? Go on, you know you wanna.
 
I know it's early days but this beta looks like XP with RSS and some transparency...woopee.

It's also worrying that people are reporting IE7 still doesn't render CSS right :rolleyes:
 
mkrishnan said:
You're definitely right, but how is any of what you're saying not true of Windows XP, or Server 2003, or unlikely to be true of Vista? UPnP as a standard aside, the state of plug-and-play functionality on Macs is much better than it is on Windows -- things like Bonjour allowing printers to be run without setup are pretty much still unheard of on PCs, aren't they? Unless you run Apple Bonjour for Windows, I guess. And PnP on Windows is still terrible.
Someone I know told me that Windows Media Player 10 has a feature that allows people to connect to other Windows Media Player libraries on the local network.

Gee, I wonder where Microsoft stole that idea from?

Vista is nothing more than a wholesale rip-off of Apple's innovation with a different GUI.
 
"More secure" my ass. I think they've pretty much been saying that since 98. The spyware and virus programmers will get around any security measures they have. Windows users make up more than 90% of the world, they need to get that junk on people's systems and will find a way to do so.
 
stridey said:
Also, I'm still curious as to what two windows maximized at once looks like...


Goto winsupersite and Thurrott himself answers this.
As you'd imagine, it's pretty bad.

AppleMatt
 
AppleMatt said:
Goto winsupersite and Thurrott himself answers this.
As you'd imagine, it's pretty bad.

AppleMatt

Thanks.
winvista_b1_50.jpg

winvista_b1_49.jpg


Eww.....
 
MacHamman said:
Use logic for a second, if Apple and Microsoft switched places, it would the Mac OS that is getting targeted by malicious hackers, not the other way around.

This is not logic. This is logical fallacy, and I'll explain why.

I've heard this argument many times, and I've shot it down many times as well. Basically, you are implying that Mac OS X is not in any way superior to Windows security wise and that only because Windows is dominant is the only reason why it has so many problems.

Thus you argue that the Mac would be in the same position if it were dominant. It is a logical fallacy because you can't possibly make that conclusion because the situation NEVER has occurred, and is 100% hypothetical.

A lot of people use this argument to discount Mac OS X's security, while in reality, at a fundamental design level, it is simply done better than Windows... a huge part is because Apple based the core of their OS on the battle harded BSD, and other open unix variants... Microsoft's is by all accounts all proprietary and made at Microsoft. This speaks worlds about the advantages of an open system rather than a closed one. Closed systems, due to their secrecy, ironically, invite malicious parties much more than open ones.

The current situation speaks more about Microsoft's overall strategy for software development more than it does the effects of having a popular system. Microsoft is VERY guilty of pushing feature after feature without any thought into the ramifications of those features. Microsoft introduced ActiveX , opening a world of functionality that can happen through Internet Explorer, and allowing it to interface with the OS, and do cool stuff. That was YEARS ago... ActiveX and other features that Microsoft bluntly pushed out in previous OS releases have come and bite them in the butt... Spyware, Adware, viruses, trojans. It's a jungle, and Microsoft is responsible. Microsoft's approach is to push out potentially vulnerable features first, and then pick up the pieces later. Patch after patch after patch... Most Windows users still don't update their patches, so there are TONS of computers out there that hackers turn into zombies.

Apple has made similar mistakes in the past, but in my opinion, not as badly as Microsoft has.
 
myapplseedshurt said:
I hope people will see with the release of Vista that MS products truly are superior.

Apple has touted it's OS as something better than MS, however I disagree.
I hope Vista finally crushes mac osx.

Windows Directory....

Need I say more about Microsoft's "superiority"?
 
I see not much has changed in the looks department.
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like one..
it's a duck :rolleyes:
 

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If anything, people will avoid upgrading. MS could experience some of the same problems Apple has had with people switching. Change what they are used to using and they freak out. "What are these funny icons?", "Why can I see behind this window, can I still click on it?" "Do I need to be connected to the internet to use the virtual folders?"

Yes, the geeks and 0-25 crowd won't complain but others will. Yes, it will all basically be the same and work the same but people will be uncertain. I have encountered this with three different people I have had switch. A big seller for Mac OS X is the virus and stability issue. I have college students at least once a month literally say "wow" when I force quite a program w/o restarting and relaunch it in no time.

So, well Vista windows will make some strides MS reputation and people's tendency to buck change may slow things down a bit. Remember, the beta 2 or 3 may be out by Xmas 2006 but will they actually ship a BETA with new machines? Not to mention the reputation for viri - which I wouldn't be suprised if many viri writers were on MS's list for developers!
 
wow, this looks like the final demise of microsoft. you know I really didn't hate M$ untill they started using their monopoly to bully governments... no company should do that. thats just way to freeking huge.

MacNews said:
Not to mention the reputation for viri - which I wouldn't be suprised if many viri writers were on MS's list for developers!

Bahahahaha!!! yah, you got that right. I wonder how much norton and McAffee are paying these guys to keep them in business.


haha, "developers." thats gonna crack me up all day.

"Developers, developers, developers, developers. Developers, developers, developers, developers." Stupid... other Steve.
 
wow they FINALLY got rid of the '+' '-' for viewing folder contents in list view and adopted apple's use of the triangle. Took them long enough to copy it. ;)

Oh and anyone else notice the light white halo that is around all the letters that have a translucent background from the screenshots?. Guess they can't rely on consumers to give em that halo feeling eh?
 
somewhere_here0 said:
I'm certain it's better than Tiger, but what about Leopard? Will see
Yeah, keep dreaming, PC boy. :rolleyes: Windows XP was kicked squarely in the butt by OS X 10.1. Now that they have a new skin and a search function that they bummed off Apple, it's better than 10.4?? Where's the logic in that?
Oh wait, you'll have to tell me after you've finished your virus updates and your reboot. :rolleyes:
 
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