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Oh right, now we're talking about 'marketshare superiority'. I guess I failed to decifer "I hope Vista finally crushes mac osx" as Vista finally crushing Apple's marketshare.
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Oh right, now we're talking about 'marketshare superiority'. I guess I failed to decifer "I hope Vista finally crushes mac osx" as Vista finally crushing Apple's marketshare.
MacHamman said:
There's a difference between "managing" to have a machine without any of that stuff and a machine that doesn't need any of the scanners, spyware stuff, etc. I hope I'll never have to cut a check to the Norton people ever again and I don't think I'll have to!
Yeah right. Do you remember how long it took to boot 10.1? No journaling, encryption, built-in faxing, built-in compression (?), searching, HARDWARE SUPPORT, SOFTWARE SUPPORT, speed, responsiveness, stability, decent web browsing, video chat, audio chat, decent file browsing...
10.1 sucked hardcore. And it was so damn slow. Do you remember what it was like to resize a window or launch an app? Do you rmember how unstable Mail and Classic were?
Go read Siracusa's review of 10.1 and notice how it's about 75% negative. I know I stayed with OS 9 until 10.2 as did many others (even though our computers shipped with 10.1 as the default).
I give it a week before it hits the torrent pages! Soon all the L33T Haxors will be finding ways to screw it up. I can feel the slashdot crowd chomping at the bit.
dsharits said:Yeah, keep dreaming, PC boy.
Oh wait, you'll have to tell me after you've finished your virus updates and your reboot.
Now where is your logic? 10.1 better than XP ...
I have the IE7 beta. Don't waste your time! It may be faster than other browsers but it has limited support. The UI is absolutely abysmal. I wouldn't wish this browser on my worse of Windows enemies.
MS should be embarassed. I know it's just beta, but I'm talkin UI.
MS should be embarassed. I know it's just beta, but I'm talkin UI.
budugu said:
I agree! Tiger was dissapointing in many respects, also the changes in the interface. I bought a Mac for the OS and not for the iPod.
As I look what Apple is doing lately, they are forcing people to switch to Linux, which is catching up a lot and gives some choices.
pcdoctor said:
Appleworks pretty much got folded into iWork, which is their presentation/document creation software. It's really not a match for a full MS Office suite, but I'd expect to see it grow into a much more impressive suite in the future. No spreadsheet yet, however.
So, MS *finally* opted away from the cattle naming scheme
Seriously, i couldn't believe they would pick a name (even a code name) that's so potentially easily seen as a slam against their user base. Can you imagine the potentially funny commercials you could make if they kept that name? One could be a rip off of VONAGE's "peope do stupid things"....with the running of the bulls.
Seriously, i couldn't believe they would pick a name (even a code name) that's so potentially easily seen as a slam against their user base. Can you imagine the potentially funny commercials you could make if they kept that name? One could be a rip off of VONAGE's "peope do stupid things"....with the running of the bulls.
Peterkro said:
The alpha has been, the beta just "arrived" today, as it was the first time it was even available to MSDN members.Screw Torrents anyway, they all get pinched eventually.
I assume you are referring to this story?JoshH said:
http://www.hardcovermedia.com/lab/articles/fruseg.htm
Or were you saying it was stolen from Apple by MS?
Our dev office downloaded and installed the beta today (MSDN subscription). I only played with it for a few minutes, but it seems alright. Our software won't even install currently, the beta 1 has a new Windows Installer version (version 4.0). Once we get past our install issues it will be interesting to see how many of our apps run without requiring changes.
Hopefully, we'll make a VMware disk image I can use to tinker with it a little more.
I think MS is still focusing on under-the-hood changes as they did with WinXP SP2. That doesn't bother me so much, the UI is better but not as good as Apple's and that's fine. If this version gets released being more secure and stable I'll be happy. I've never really liked the default UI options in Windows fortunately you have quite a few options to alter the look to your tastes. I hated the WinXP look out of the box, but after a few months of tweaking the UI options I settled on a look and feel that I really enjoy using.
Hopefully, we'll make a VMware disk image I can use to tinker with it a little more.
I think MS is still focusing on under-the-hood changes as they did with WinXP SP2. That doesn't bother me so much, the UI is better but not as good as Apple's and that's fine. If this version gets released being more secure and stable I'll be happy. I've never really liked the default UI options in Windows fortunately you have quite a few options to alter the look to your tastes. I hated the WinXP look out of the box, but after a few months of tweaking the UI options I settled on a look and feel that I really enjoy using.
wrong
sorry, but I haven't seen any evidence that mac osx is being used by businesses. I know someone in a small business who had to replace all the computers, and when I asked why she didn't consider apple, she said (get this),
"what's apple"
HA!
LaughingMan11 said:
sorry, but I haven't seen any evidence that mac osx is being used by businesses. I know someone in a small business who had to replace all the computers, and when I asked why she didn't consider apple, she said (get this),
"what's apple"
HA!
hmmm.... looks much better than XP, but it's whats under the hood that counts, and no matter what you can't take micro$oft outta that.
i'm sure it will have a virus within hours of its release.
i'm sure it will have a virus within hours of its release.
Heck, why don't they just save people the trouble and include a virus with it's release?camomac said:
True, 10.1 was horrible. But OS X at it's worst was still better than XP at it's best. Now, there's jusst no comparison, because OS X has progressed lightyears while XP did what? Oh, I forgot, SP2.BGil said:
My thoughts of Vista
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- that black taskbar looks kinda cool
- i kinda like that transparency, it's cool
- everything on it seems to be ripped from Tiger! just take a look at the search symbol, it's 1:1 rip-off of Spotlight symbol!
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- it's heavy as hell (3ghz proc minimum, wan't it?)
- transparecy seems to get messed when more windows are open
- it's 100% certainly infected right out-of-box when plugged to internet. thanks to "limited" developer betas lounging the internet as we speak.
- everything on it seems to be ripped from Tiger! just take a look at the search symbol, it's 1:1 rip-off of Spotlight symbol!
Does anyone remember this picture from Tiger release spectacle?
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- that black taskbar looks kinda cool
- i kinda like that transparency, it's cool
- everything on it seems to be ripped from Tiger! just take a look at the search symbol, it's 1:1 rip-off of Spotlight symbol!
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- it's heavy as hell (3ghz proc minimum, wan't it?)
- transparecy seems to get messed when more windows are open
- it's 100% certainly infected right out-of-box when plugged to internet. thanks to "limited" developer betas lounging the internet as we speak.
- everything on it seems to be ripped from Tiger! just take a look at the search symbol, it's 1:1 rip-off of Spotlight symbol!
Does anyone remember this picture from Tiger release spectacle?
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somewhere_here0 said:
How can something that won't even ship until sometime NEXT YEAR be better than a currently shipping product? Especially one as good as Tiger?
Now don't get me wrong, I understand what you meant, but this is the attitude that MS thrives on - "you won't want to leave us because while what you currently have has a lot of problems, what we are almost ready to roll out in 1, err.. , 3, err.. 9, err.. make that 17 months will ROCK YOUR WORLD!"
Fortunately, even many MS pundits are calling this one a dud, I've heard several people (TWiT and others) compare Longhorn, err... Vista with the Windows ME launch, and just as pathetic. So I don't know how far the MS cachet will carry them this time.
So far all I've seen is some pretty screen shots (not even as pretty as the one's that Sun was pushing for their 3D GUI). I've heard so many promises made and retracted that I really don't know what else will be in there anymore. But they had better pull something better that transparent window headers out of their bag o' tricks or they'll have a pretty tough sell.
Meanwhile Apple is producing the best eye candy on the planet and already backing it up with actual technology like spotlight, core audio, core data, etc. All of which are a little rough around the edges right now, but certainly usable in their current state.