Windows XP Booting on Intel Macs?

[L-Fire]

All this hoopla about not having a 32 bit EFI is killing me. Doesn't anyone think Apple will use 64-bit Intel chips in August for the PowerMacs? Don't you think this will solve the problem.

So you won't have a portable dual-boot system. Big deal. At least you can have one at home. Next year the 64 bit chips will be in the notebooks also.

 

[adamfilip]

Keep Windows Out. PLZ

I dont understand why people who dont want windows on macs are worried

you dont have to install it..

if someone wants to dual boot.. this give them the option.
Personaliy i would like to dual boot. only because i need Quickbooks Canadian edition. which is pc only and a select few games

otherwize. osx is all i need

 

[spaceballl]

Getting excited about my Triple OS boot Macbook Pro rev 2!

Linux, OS X, and Windows all on the same machine

 

[IJ Reilly]

Somebody please help me out here. Why is anyone getting excited about these bad Photoshop jobs? At least two of these photos are obvious fakes.

 

[Bengt77]

1. People start dual booting Windows, and software developers say "They only have 5% marketshare and they can run our Windows software anyway, we definitely don't need to develop for their platform." This is the step you're predicting. Keep in mind, developers already loyal to the Mac platform will likely remain that way, and other developers were unpersuaded to make Mac software right now anyway.
2. People continue to switch to Macs because of cool products and the iPod halo effect boosting Apple's marketshare to 7%
3. Windows users realize they can run Windows software on Macs, and get the benefits of using a Mac, boosting Apple's marketshare to 9%
4. Those Windows users tell their Windows using friends how great OSX is, and steps 2 and 3 continue, boosting Apple's marketshare to 15%
5. With Apple now having 15% marketshare, more software developers start to make OSX native software, and even OSX-exclusive software.
6. OSX continues to grow and grow and grow

Ooooh! I like your scenario! Hopefully it will indeed go that way. Although I doubt if it would do the Mac platform any good if it grows bigger than your quesstimate of 15% marketshare. That's a fairly big chunk, really. Windows can keep it's shipload of users. I wouldn't want the Mac platform te become the sluggish, bloated platform Windows now is...

By the way, talking about fitting images, I just saw this ad on the bottom:

 

[Bengt77]

Somebody please help me out here. Why is anyone getting excited about these bad Photoshop jobs? At least two of these photos are obvious fakes.

It's a contest to have working Windows XP on a Mac as fast as possible. Who would waste his/her time with Photoshopping XP screenshots in an iMac screen if there was serious money to be won? Nah, I don't believe these images are Photoshop jobs. As someone stated elsewhere, he's probably one hell of a programmer/hacker, but one louse photographer.

 

[freeny]

Somebody please help me out here. Why is anyone getting excited about these bad Photoshop jobs? At least two of these photos are obvious fakes.

Why use Photoshop? Much easier to take a screen capture on a pc and set the image as your background on your Mac. Much more convincing too.

 

[50548]

Really? I would agree with you, except that there are hundreds of great applications that are simply not available and have no comparable product available on a mac, and I'll give you four rock solid examples: Games, AutoCAD, Revit, and multi-user QuickBooks.

Sure, I could load these into a VM, but I'm going to want 100% of my CPU if I'm using an architectural program. Being able to boot XP on my mac SAVES ME MONEY by not having to buy an entirely new machine.

You can live in your fairytale world of unicorns and smooth white plastic, but until the marketshare of the mac goes up enough to have just a few more professional applications, people, and developers, will want to boot Windows if at all possible.

And if you're the type of person that will use an obviously inferior program (like ArchiCAD instead of Revit) just so you can be in an OS X environment, I pray for anyone who does business with you. How does that old saying go? If all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail?

Sorry, but you really don't get my point. If you really need to run Winblows, you WILL buy a PC, period.

And the examples you gave are, to be honest, very irrelevant in my view, as I've never heard of "Revit"...Architectural CAD has always been better on Macs, and I know several offices that just rely on Apples for their work. As for AutoCAD, they are already considering a version for Mac, not to mention the gamut of CAD/rendering packages that exist on the Mac for ages.

The gaming industry on PCs is drowning, and you know that. The bulk of sales goes to consoles, and even big houses are already releasing their titles on XBoxes and PSs only, so this is a moot point.

Again, my opinion is that this will be nice ONLY to those that are ALREADY willing/drooling to buy a Mac. No one thinking about PCs will end up buying Macs because they "may" boot Winblows...besides, Apple will NOT (and SHOULD NOT) support Windows. So apart from hardcore gamers and geeks, the normal consumer will not care about dual-boot capability; this's a fact.

 

[mark88]

Somebody please help me out here. Why is anyone getting excited about these bad Photoshop jobs? At least two of these photos are obvious fakes.

Can you point out why they are obvious fakes? They don't look fake to me.

 

[ewinemiller]

Somebody please help me out here. Why is anyone getting excited about these bad Photoshop jobs? At least two of these photos are obvious fakes.

Not that I'm professing an expertise myself, but instead of saying they are obvious fakes, please tell us non-fake photoshop identifying folks exactly what in the image makes you believe they are a fake. If you are correct, then that will help us all, in the future, identify those tell tale signs ourselves.

 

[schatten]

Not officially supported

As long as booting Windows on a Mac is not supported officially (& difficult as hell to pull off) by either MS or Apple, I'm happy.

I don't want any software manufacturer declining to write software for Mac OSX because "You could just install Windows on your Mac"

I want Developers to write Mac OSX software. No developer (besides the "major ones") is going to write software for an OS with a 5% market share if theres an officially supported method to run the OTHER OS on those same machines.

I keep on saying this, I know, but it's a valid concern.

 

[IJ Reilly]

Can you point out why they are obvious fakes? They don't look fake to me.

Good grief, look at the last of the three images posted above! The right hand part of the screen image overlaps the bezel -- in fact it practically floats in midair on the lower right hand corner. The first image looks pretty goofed up too.

 

[IJ Reilly]

It's a contest to have working Windows XP on a Mac as fast as possible. Who would waste his/her time with Photoshopping XP screenshots in an iMac screen if there was serious money to be won? Nah, I don't believe these images are Photoshop jobs. As someone stated elsewhere, he's probably one hell of a programmer/hacker, but one louse photographer.

Why do people go to so much trouble to create and circulate hoax images of future Apple products when they've got nothing to gain but stirring up some excitement? Might it be some people's definition of fun?

Further, why post such crude photos as proof, when a goodly sum of prize money is at stake?

 

[plinden]

I'm one of those who wants virtualization. Until Intel enables this, I'll go for something like qemu.

What do you mean "until Intel enables this"?

Well, I've read conflicting reports on this, but the most optimistic report is that it seems that the Core Duos already support virtualization, but the Intel chipsets don't, but Intel may be able to enable it with a firmware update.

Edit: http://appleintelfaq.com/#10.1
http://appleintelfaq.com/images/intel_vt_response.pdf

 

[tdar]

What part of "up from 3% market share" don't you understand?

Apple's market share has grown over the past few years, and that certainly isn't because of Macs being able to run Windows programs.

But if I write software and have X number of $ 's to spend on that effort, do I want to write for the 5% platform (yes it's up 2%) or the 95% platform (and it's grown 2 % as well) ... remember I'm in the business to make $$$$ not to support a platform.

 

[lkrupp]

The most likely scenario...

So everybody gets excited and users start to "dual-boot" their machines...

1. Ringgggg...Hello, Apple Tech Support, may I help you?

Q. Yes, my Mac is having problems whenever I boot Windows XP. I can't seem to fix it. I have Applecare and I want you to tell me what to do.

A. Go screw yourself. Click...!

2. Ringgggg.. Hello, Microsoft Tech Support, may I help you?

Q. Yes, I'm running XP on an Intel Mac and some applications just don't work right. What should I do?

A. Go screw yourself. Click...!

Who gets the blame? Why Apple of course. The clueless are already asking why they can't run their Windows software on a Mac. "They're PC's now aren't they?"

This is bad for Apple no matter what happens. Apple will be hurt by this I am absolutely sure. For the sake of an extreme minority of self-professed geeks the average user will get the wrong impression of what is going on, will expect support from Apple, and will trash Apple when they can't get it. It'll be "That goddamn Apple Computer sucks!" I can hear it now.

This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. Mark my words. You may return to your orgasmic discussion of dual-booting.

 

[tdar]

As long as booting Windows on a Mac is not supported officially (& difficult as hell to pull off) by either MS or Apple, I'm happy.

I don't want any software manufacturer declining to write software for Mac OSX because "You could just install Windows on your Mac"

I want Developers to write Mac OSX software. No developer (besides the "major ones") is going to write software for an OS with a 5% market share if theres an officially supported method to run the OTHER OS on those same machines.

I keep on saying this, I know, but it's a valid concern.

Look if your a software house that has already decided to support the Mac and OSX...why on eatrh would a few geeks loading Windows on a few Mac's make you change your mind. If you want the Windows marketshare you'll already be there....

I should alo point out there will never be a "officially supported" way to run anything but OSX on a Mac unless you think that Apple will sell Windows.

 

[mark88]

Good grief, look at the last of the three images posted above! The right hand part of the screen image overlaps the bezel -- in fact it practically floats in midair on the lower right hand corner. The first image looks pretty goofed up too.

If you think they are faked, why don't you take the 3 images above and map your own screen onto them and make it look as good as these so called 'fakes'....

Why would the faker go to so much trouble when he could quite easily display jpegs full screen on his mac anyway? You're saying he went to all that trouble to cut and paste and fiddle about in PS. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Nothing you've said has made me think these images are a cut and paste job.

 

[luminosity]

Why on earth would anyone want Windows on a Mac? Go buy a regular PC if you want that. Like buying a Chevy, but wanting the insides to have only Ford components.

 

[tveric]

Why on earth would anyone want Windows on a Mac? Go buy a regular PC if you want that. Like buying a Chevy, but wanting the insides to have only Ford components.

it's not that you want windows on a mac, it's that you want BOTH on a mac.

 

[IJ Reilly]

If you think they are faked, why don't you take the 3 images above and map your own screen onto them and make it look as good as these so called 'fakes'....

Why would the faker go to so much trouble when he could quite easily display jpegs full screen on his mac anyway? You're saying he went to all that trouble to cut and paste and fiddle about in PS. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Nothing you've said has made me think these images are a cut and paste job.

What? Please, just look at them. I've explained why at least one of them is so clearly a fake. Don't ask me to explain why anybody would fabricate such an obvious hoax image when they could have done a better job. I'm more curious about why anyone would choose to overlook such glaringly obvious flaws.

 

[tveric]

I don't want any software manufacturer declining to write software for Mac OSX because "You could just install Windows on your Mac"

I keep on saying this, I know, but it's a valid concern.

We pretty much already have this problem, except it's "sorry, you'll just have to have a PC if you want to run this software" or "you'll have to run Virtual PC" rather than what you quoted.

I think my point is, the software developers don't really need another excuse to not write software/port software to the Mac, they've had those stock answers for years and years. Being able to dual-boot isn't going to change that. It's only going to help people that need Windows for those apps that they're ALREADY stuck running in VPC or, god forbid, another computer.

I, for one, welcome our new dual-booting overlords.

 

[tveric]

By the way, anyone notice that the link to the discussion about the contest:

windowsxp.onmac.net/The%20Contest.html

currently gives you a "Account Suspended" message?

 

[crees!]

By the way, anyone notice that the link to the discussion about the contest:

windowsxp.onmac.net/The%20Contest.html

currently gives you a "Account Suspended" message?

Yes, quite a while ago

 

[bmcj]

Dual booting same hard drive....

So what I don't get if this is for real how are we going to dual boot off the same hard drive? Or us that want to dual boot, are going to be booting windows off some external drive? Cause apple is using a different File system than windows and partitioning the drive with FAT and HFS is not supported by apple....